Being a Target

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#1 Dec 28 - 9PM
Amazed
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Being a Target

One thing I think we have all shared, is the experience of being a TARGET of a disordered and sick individual...

I have been the TARGET of a psychopath. I had an intimate relationship or 'relation-shit' with a con man evil twisted souless predator for over 3 and a half years...the gaslighting,,the manipulation, the word salad, the twisted mentality of conversation, the pitting and splitting of me against others, significant others in a career sense,,the torture of someone who tried to break be down,,who delighted to see me suffer,,,,over the course of years.

He was with OW,,I was fortunate enough to go NC...and took INCREDIBLE strength to recover...

I don't want to be a target to these creeps,,and like we have disucssed here,,one in twenty five is a psychopath/N,,,

I do not want to be a target...and I need advice..how can we proect and sheild ourselves..and continue a happy existence,,and not give ourselves away to these evil creeps.....

Dec 29 - 10AM
walking_on_sunshine
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Stay single lol. ;)

Stay single lol. ;) Seriously I have no idea, but I plan to find out and I dont plan to ever date again until I have the answer and Im good at it. I think if we reject the initial red flags advances...
Dec 29 - 6AM
Tigerlily
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I think it`s a little more complicated.

Narcissus was attracted to, or totally absorbed by, a REFLECTION of himself, not his true self. So on the face of it, he`s attracted to all the wonderful qualities we have, and he would like to have, particularly: empathy kindness generosity consideration gratitude the capacity for enjoyment the capacity for love the capacity to feel the capacity to bond truly with others the capacity to interact authentically with others plus any talents, sexiness or physical attraction we may have which will reflect on him or give him pleasure. However, what I think also attracts him to us is the level at which we have the potential to reflect what he TRULY is, particularly: self-hatred self-disgust sense of unworthiness insecurity feelings of being unloved feelings of being unloveable terror of rejection feeling that no-one would want to stay with us if they saw our true colors. So at the beginning, he magnifies and exaggerates the qualities in the first group of our attributes in the course of the classic psychopathic "love-bombing", to get us hooked, not just on him but on dopamin, oxytocin and co. And when he`s got us firmly hooked, he begins to magnify and exaggerate any attributes we may have in the second category, which go to make up his TRUE inner picture. The most tragic and painful aspect of this bitterly cruel double-bind is that a person who knows him- or herself to be kind, generous, talented and loveable, yet who still has a diffuse sense of unworthiness or unloveability, is going to be particularly susceptible to both these phases of distortion, to both these manipulation tactics. I think it is this combination of attributes that makes us both particularly attractive and particularly susceptible to narcs. So, how to avoid it? Strong boundaries, yes of course. People with no inner sense of self-hatred or unworthiness, people with healthy self-esteem, usually just HAVE strong boundaries and don`t have to work to draw or maintain them. We do. Many of us don`t even know where our boundaries are, how to go about defining them, still less how to draw or maintain them. A boundary is something I am not prepared to accept or tolerate. Drawing a boundary means saying "No" to something. Maintaining a boundary means making someone who violates your "no" carry the consequences (like going NC). Defining, setting and maintaining boundaries gives us back our sense of worth, which in turn makes it easier for us to define, set and maintain boundaries. It is a nurturing circle, as opposed to the vicious circle most of us have been drawn into with narcs., that of allowing our boundaries to be violated without taking appropriate action (though we may have threatened to), giving rise to further violation of our boundaries, with a consequent complete erosion of our self-esteem. At that point, if he mirrors back to us how despicable we are, how low, how degraded, we accept that mirroring, because that is how we FEEL. Which is why NC is so important. NC is one great boundary - it gives us back our self-esteem. Who cares if he respects us more or less because of it? The important thing is, we respect ourselves more. So - define, set, and maintain boundaries is one part of the solution. And becoming aware of any lack of self-love is the other. We may not be able to heal it so quickly, but we can become aware of it. This way, we can become aware whether someone is just pouring on praise and adulation to get us hooked, or really likes and values us. We can become aware of the difference when we are aware from what part of ourselves we are responding to someone`s attention - the mature adult part of ourselves which sees itself clearly, warts and all, the the hurt insecure part of ourselves which still yearns to be nurtured and loved unconditionally because we haven`t yet learned to love ourselves. And loving ourselves starts with getting acquainted with our warts, so let`s go, ladies! Lotsa Love Tigerlily
Dec 29 - 9PM (Reply to #8)
Run4it
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Tigerlilly

You are on a roll today! That was so helpful to read and describes me to the nth degree. This topic is my focus with my therapist now that I am done raging about the Narc - dealing with my ongoing lack of love for myself. I keep thinking that I have dealt with it and it rears its ugly head again. My ex Narc had a list of things HIS therapist had him write down that were the things he wanted in a woman that were healthy. He used to pull it out and tell me that I had everything on the list. He even did it while D&D and seeing the OW. Now I know what he was really doing was applying the list to the OW at the end and as sick as it seems, cruelly bouncing it off of me. I do not want to ever be a target again and vow to learn to love me before I even attempt a romantic relationship again. thank you thank you thank you for this great reminder.
Dec 29 - 1PM (Reply to #7)
Amazed
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Awesome skill, Tigerlily

Establishing boundaries is key,,,key,,key!!! I guess we rationalize when we cross our boundaries for the sake of the relationship, that this is the 'necessary sacrafice' for the one we love,,give a little,,,however not when it erodes our character, and they do us in..thank you so much for your encouragement and understanding, and actualy strategy to move forward!!!! We need to have a strategy!!! In place before their crap hits us,,like we need to learn how to duck and quickly!!! Also, you are absolutely right about the self-love element,,that we need to realize and get rid of any self-deprication thoughts or attitudes that we hold..it will only self-cripple, and we need to self-empower...wowaa.. : ) Good thoughts to ponder, and work on, and actual put into motion!!!! yea!!!
Dec 28 - 9PM
Redhead1
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What I have learned is,

What I have learned is, everyone is a target. It's the one's who fall for their scam that becomes the victim. They know after talking with you a little bit wheather your worth the effort or not. If you have strong boundries in place and make them earn their place in your life-they will run. They look for kind hearted and giving people. People who love everyone. I use to be that girl:)
Dec 29 - 4AM (Reply to #2)
Amazed
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Great Insight Redhead1

I like the way you said "used to be that girl", sounds like you had to make a major change.
Dec 29 - 9AM (Reply to #3)
Redhead1
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I am still working on that

I am still working on that major change. It takes a while to undo 43 years of behavior. It's hard work sometimes:) I am determined not to be used ever again. I am a little hyper-sensitive and cautious of men still. I see that as a good sign tho. Just got to learn to balance it out.
Dec 29 - 5PM (Reply to #4)
ReclaimingPower
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Me too...

...and what I'm kind of shocked and a bit dismayed about is that despite all the learning and boundary setting, even last night while out I started to obsess over whether I looked alright, had I put on weight, and felt insecure. And THIS while I had a guy on my left, another one on my right, and a third pulling me out on the floor. Very wrong. THAT has got to stop....I've got to work on that because no freakin' way do I want to repeat this lesson with another beast.
Dec 29 - 7PM (Reply to #5)
Amazed
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Own your power,,reclaiming power

We have to change our patterns...change our patterns!! Thought patterns, relationship patterns,,we have to change. Set a boundary with yourself! No more thoughts of this insecure nature! Just one thing,,,one thing for sure,,never allow yourself to be sucked into a guy who wants to help you 'change the way you feel' about yourself. I think that is a huge red flag,,we cannot fall for and obey like a 'savior'. Red Flags If a GUY makes us all of a sudden feel so wonderful about ourselves,,red flag. You know what I am talking about..the guy who OPENS THE DOOR FOR YOU,,,TAKES YOU TO LUNCH....ADMIRES HOW GOOD YOU SMELL...SAYS WOW, YOUR HAIR IS SO SOFT...YOU ARE AMAZING, YOU ARE INCREDIBLE....THEN CAN I DUPE YOU, sets in,,manipulation... Maybe one huge key is do not let a guy determine or so much influence how we feel about ourselves. Good fun,,you have guys wanting you to dance..just be careful...do not fall for all that...it is fun, just be careful...give it only to the right guy,,,,who might seem like mr wrong at first....