batshit crazy logic?

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#1 Dec 17 - 9PM

fooled no longer

batshit crazy logic?

these people simply make no sense. you wonder why you bother and how they can be so batshit crazy and still hold down a job????
Heres an actual conversation
i get a text saying.
i have joined your exboyfriend club all phsyco rapist and fucking bastards.
i ignore it
then he comes in and I ask him why he sent it. He doesnt seem to know.
Then I point out that he's actually my husband and not a boyfriend.

he goes crazy and shouts " so how many exhusbands have you had?
just one I answer.
"and how many exboyfriends??
Four.

"so you see what I mean???" he screams.

"no I really dont"

he shouts " you are always trying to analyse my words to make me look like an idiot!!!" then he leaves!!!

Im thinking i think you just proved you are not only an idiot but cant even use logic tomake whaever fucking asinine point you were trying to make.

dont even try to understand them its all complete nonsense.
complete waste of time. I Laugh at how absurd it is.
Can you see the sense??

#2 Dec 20 - 3PM

Susan32

He thought he could stop me from reading "War and Peace"...

Okay, he managed to have it (briefly) cut from the curriculum when I was a senior, but as I told him... I could go to the library or the book store to read it, and he couldn't stop me.

#3 Dec 18 - 7AM

Qing Yuan

yup, crazy nothing

yup, crazy nothing logic.. Mine one days tried to tell me that all hospitals should be closed and that sick people should take care of themselves. I laughed and argued and for once his stupid argument was so weak that he kept making dumb statements. He started with it all really early in the morning when I just woke up. he wasnt expecting me to be with it enough to argue back. but his dumb bollox argument was so damn stupid. I mean.. CLose hospitals. WTF We agued for ages about him having a accident and how I should just leave him to bleed to death. (dont tempt me) TOO... stupid logic about it being ok for children but that old people should be left to due etc etc. and other stupid shit about some people with cancer made themswlves sick so should make themselves well. It made me so insensed. Oh I will never forget it because it was batshit dumb ass what the F logic. Your post reminded me and made me feel good for going NC. ( I still miss the idea of him) Thanks x

#4 Dec 18 - 5AM

apple

Fooled!!

I don't mean to laugh but you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. You must get out of there sweetheart!!! As fast as you can!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#5 Dec 18 - 12PM (Reply to #8)

fooled no longer

darling today i reached a

darling today i reached a new low for the first time in my life I am really afraid I cant rember ever feeling so raped so degraded so without hope as he set me up for the fall again today he suggested lunch and a walk I sgreed we have seen so little of each other in the past three weeks. then two nights ago he flung at me in a 2 second rant that he was leaving to go to America he had already told his boss yes in the second he asked. he just never thot to tell me his wife of 4 months. so i thought today would be a discussion of jow we would manage the house finances the end of our hopes and dreams. i was hoping for some contrite honesty or at leadt humanity. instead he poked for every hole he could find in my armour to stick the knife in. he refusrd to admit that he had suggested a walk for us to talk and resolve. he just insisted the sun was shining and he had nothing better to do, than drive an hour to meet me in a park and then having nothing to discuss. he wanted the last wird he wanted to tell me all his behavior is perfectly ok and that he feelsnothing but plessed with himself. OMG after 2 hrs of getting blood from a stone . he cold heartededly walked away leaving me in the park in sub zero temparures to find my way home wuthout my purse which he had in his pocket. i had to find money and spend one hour getting back to the apt im staying at. he drove home I assme leaving me curled in a ball in pain in a distant park and whats the bet hes sitting in our warm home watching the soccer without a care in the world. i really do belive now he is capable of anything and judt wanted the pleasure of sticking the knife in one more time. i am really broken i have never felt pain like this to see the inhumanity and the casual brutality of him inhuman. i cant deal with the fact that i loved this man and slept next to him for all these years. man im in a bad way!

#6 Dec 17 - 11PM

Leah

Fooled no longer, I had a dream - epitomized narc communication

I had this dream 2 or 3 weeks after he discarded me. It was short. And it felt very real. We were in my bed, and he was behind me, embracing me, and holding me tight...almost a little too tight. And he was talking to me. His voice was so clear. Yet all the sentences were chopped up and mixed together, like he was making no sense. Pure gibberish...real English words but no syntax or flow or meaning to them. In the dream I was relaxed but confused, and kept saying, '****, slow down. I don't understand what you're saying. What? Slow down." Then I woke up. It shook me to my core. That dream was my psyche's way of telling me, 'He makes no sense. He speaks/thinks in another language that you'll never connect with." Thanks for sharing that conversation, Leah

#7 Dec 17 - 11PM

Jean

sometimes they seem desperate

or somehow can't remember how to use words. It's very very odd. I keep in mind that they are in an altered state of reality all the time, sort of like being high on mescaline or being stuck in that scene from "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" where all other people look like giant lizards. If you haven't read Fear and Loathing then it is hard to get the full impact of how lizard-like other people appeared to be . . . now I am having trouble making sense :)

#8 Dec 17 - 11PM (Reply to #3)

Briseis

Jean, you just made perfect

Jean, you just made perfect sense to me. This is something I haven't thought of before but now that you say it I have READ this somewhere. Not this exact example of course. It was about the differences in perception of "reality" as a child moves from infancy through maturity. How they figured this stuff out I have no idea, but it rings true. An infant sees no difference between itself and it's mother or it's world. A toddler is suddenly aware of them being a separate "self" but they are the utter center of the universe, and all things (parents, toys, food, activities) exist in SERVICE to them. They are tiny and helpless, but on the inside they are tyrants. You could say that they are a bit psychotic. The world really does NOT revolve around them and their needs, but that is their immature version of relating to the world. As the child grows, their sense of "self" becomes more solid and less dependent upon their immediate environment. A mature adult sees themselves as having a sphere of influence within a greater context where they are pretty insignificant. The Narc and psychopath do not made this gradual transition from being the center of the universe. Their perceptions are distorted. They see the same things we do, and speak the same language, but internally, if we could read their minds, we would lose the translation. It would probably be terrifying and horrible. I have an almost two year old grandson. I KNOW for a fact I am an object to him. I do things for him. I make his life work for him. He doesn't "love" me yet. He desperately needs me. He feels familiarity and accompanying affection for the positive experiences he has with me. But love? Does he care what I'm thinking?? Or feeling?? LOL!! Does he respect my dreams and encourage me to seek to make them happen? Hell no! He can barely feed himself, and still craps his pants. The only difference between him and a Narc is his size and his lack of sphincter control. Oh, and Narcs talk a lot better too. They aren't LIKE US. They aren't our PEERS. They look at us and see lizards. I would not doubt this at all. I was a loyal, understanding and compassionate wife consistently for 9/10ths of our relationship. Yet he could not, would not trust me. Often he would accuse me of the worst motives, when I gave him NO reason to. In his mind, I was a lizard, or capable of acting like one. So was everyone else. Maybe this is how Narcs are "made" . . . somewhere in their very early development, the balance between the world being a mostly good place or a very bad one got tipped to very bad. And it distorted their ability to relate to themselves and their world. Maybe if a child believes life is more bad than good, their self stops developing. It's all very sad from that angle. If my grandson weighed 190 pounds and was six feet tall, articulate and with adult status and rights . . . what would we have? One of our Narcs.

#9 Dec 18 - 7AM (Reply to #4)

Qing Yuan

I felt a chill when I read

I felt a chill when I read the line 'They look at us and see lizards' I think you must be right. TO live in a world without true deep feeling emotion. You would see people has walking bags of flesh nothign more. The narcs are the lizards though. Cold dark staring-out eyes. I really do agree with your theory. If a child does feel many painful events. I believe the feeling self switches down. ( I have written a paper about cots, bouncers, baby bottle, pacifiers as catalysts for trauma in a babies early development. Though many influences and Milestones in early development are repsonibe for a whole array of reflexes and autonomous that supports the child to form a healthy relationship with its environemnt. Its about boundaries fundamentally. healthy and non-healthy ) Fight or flight mode, is linked to your sympathetc and para-sympathteic becoming destabalised and out of balance. Nervous system babalnce seems responsible for prime physcial health. If your body is stuck in this f or f mode, it is using sympathtic nervous system. This means we experince failiures of organs linked to these systems. As adults dealing with narcs, who are for all intense purposes, re-creating the conditions they are so used from there childhoods, in our lives,....It is of course a highly dangerous and uncomfortable place to be. We get sick becasue they are sick people. Somewhere along the way dysfunction and misfortune has lead them to experience repetitive high sympathetic system triggers. raised cortisol teaches the body to produce that hormone regualrly at any events, hence the anger and rage. Though thus will upset the otehr delicate balance of the (hormonal) endochrine system. Its a disease. I feel sad that this is how it is. One asks the question? If some people switch off and some people dont. What makes a narc react in that way. I had some trauma as a child, who hasn't?? I did have a few narc years after d&d by ex narc myself... Maybe its about healing. Maybe its about finding the light and asking for forgivness. True narcs are too beyond repair I guess cos they just dont want be wrong on any level. Askign for Gods fogivness would be weakness. This is why they cannot heal. I still pray thatthe narcissism in our world is healed away. x

#10 Dec 18 - 5PM (Reply to #5)

Jean

rage & endocrine system

I had my own bouts of rage or a few years, and I developed low thyroid (am now on meds). This taught me 1) I am full or rage and 2) try not to get angry anymore. The Narc in my life also has low thyroid (and is Type I diabetic) so it is quite appropriate that you speak of that system shutting down. I subscribe to the spectrum theory of narcissism and can recognize some narcissistic traits in myself. Recently, I have been remembering how from a young age (probably my whole life) my mother was almost entirely emotionally unavailable. She wasn't mean or cruel, just distant. Because she was bi-polar and just had a hard time getting through the day. But, I did get good mirroring from my dad and also from the nanny who was there ages 2-5. Nonetheless, I have a distinct memory at age 2 and 1/2 of my mother coming home one day and standing just inside the door and both her legs were streaming with blood. She had been attacked by a pair of german shepherds who lived across the street. I remember feeling, "i must help." This is quite odd, because what was I going to do exactly at that age? Still, the experience I had as I got older always seemed to be, "I have to take care of her first and my own needs are not important." I think this is a mechanism that causes narcissistic injury because I couldn't experience my own sense of achievement fully - it was always something I was doing FOR someone else - my mother. I was very bright and therefore got a lot of the "you're special" stuff, too. I am not a NPD, however - yet I do understand the feeling of being resentful of attempts by others of intimacy, because there are times when I feel smothered and "get away from me - I can't handle YOUR needs." That FEELING is what I think narcissists feel very deeply every time someone tries to get intimate - they re-experience the denial of their own selves because someone else has needs, too. The inability to experience or appreciate intimacy is the point at which the NPD person turns away and rejects you coldly yet in a fit of rage. I really have some insight now into I what need to do for myself to heal my own wounds and for a moment I even have a little empathy for the Narc. Your words of wanting to heal narcissism are so important because it would instantly bring more empathy into the world and improve this place! I used to be a little energetic achiever, too, as a kid but then I just got really tired of trying to please everyone else and stopped. And ever since then I have been a chronic "underachiever" and trying to get back that sense of motivation I once had. The problem is, the motivation I had was all mixed up with making my parents happy and fulfilling their narcissistic needs, and so whenever I start to try achieving something now it doesn't feel like MINE and I lose interest. Sorry this is so long, but I am really amazed that I am able to finally relate to the problem of narcissism in a way I can DO SOMETHING ABOUT, namely change myself.

#11 Dec 17 - 9PM

michele115 (not verified)

Nope!

But I'm sure it feels good to be able to view it as if you are outside of the insanity... To kinda view them as the fly trapped under the glass FOR ONCE!

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