Bad in Bed .

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#1 Dec 13 - 11AM

Scoop

Bad in Bed .

Sorry to lower the tone on a Sunday evening but I would just like to share with all of you just how bad my narc was in bed .He couldnt maintain an erection due to his premature ejaculation, this problem never got any better even if we did it 3 times in an evening . The thing is though he thought he was good in bed due to the other things he did , needless to say i faked it every time ,EVERY TIME !It got to the point where he would be doing his thing and i would be so bored that i didnt even do a Meg fake it was sooo fake that i was sure he knew but he would get that smug look on his face like "im the king of Sexdom" and i didnt have the heart to be honest with him . Until the last D&D when he said he used me for sex so i screamed at him that he was rubbish in bed ,he said "your just saying that " so i said "no im not you are rubbish in bed " ..HA .
The brainwashing thing the do worked very well on me because when i look at this man on paper it would read
1 rubbish in bed
2 no job
3 no house just a small room
4 smokes pot
5 drinks too much
6 got a stupid walk
7 got a horrible voice with really bad grammar
8 unwashed
9 thinks he will lead the world in a reveloution
10 he has no proper friends just people who he buys drugs off .

Scoop x

#2 Dec 13 - 9PM

thisisnotfun

Boy, you guys all hit it

Boy, you guys all hit it right on the head. lol.... Mine sucked big time. I think in the two years we dated, we had sex if you could call it that maybe 7 times. He sucked. Small, ED and really sucked. I don't think we ever made love. I faked it everytime hoping the next time would be better. Nope, he never wanted sex, I even asked him if he was gay???? No itimacy at all. He always blamed me... Told me I had the wrong attitude, he was tired, didn't want to be pressured ........... What losers..... Yes, he was into porn, and online dating sites... Patterns?????

#3 Dec 13 - 7PM

Cgrl

Wondering

I hate to say this but I am glad I am not alone. No foreplay. Nothing. I dont even know what it was. He would come so fast - he told me I made him come fast but I always wondered if something was wrong - like he was an alcoholic or had something else. I had no experience with a man that would not even touch me. I remember one night we were kissing - everything was rough - is this a trait? Was this normal? He told me he had all this sex experience - threesomes, blah blah blah - I thought sex would be incredible. Sad to say I felt like something was wrong with me. Ten minutes tops. Fast and no foreplay - just a fuck I guess. This has been something I have been thinking about because I read other threads here and see where some of these guys were fantastic - my first narc was that I was with for fifteen years. Sometimes just because of the sex I have to question if he was really a narc or just an incredible prick. But the last one - he is a narc. I know this in my heart. A narc alcoholic. Im wondering if this has anything to do with the fast and rough sex. Anyone please- I will take your answer to heart because you women here are awesome - I dont know what I would do and where I would be without this board. Seven months NC.

#4 Dec 13 - 3PM

Carolyn

He is a true loser, user,

He is a true loser, user, and abuser. I just read an article about a major hotel in a Central American country that caters to men looking for prositutes. That is legal in this country. One of their specialties is the 'fantasy girlfriend'. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry at this pathetic one. Men who are not able to maintain a real sexual relationship for emotional or physical reasons are given a 'girlfriend' who they visit at the hotel for one week every year. During the year they are free to call her, send her photos, cards, have phone sex, and think of her as their girlfriend so they feel connected. For this they pay a monthly fee that was substantial: part to the hotel part to 'reserve' the fantasy girlfriend so she won't see other dates. they interviewed a woman who was supported, along with her 3 children for 4 years by a fantasy boyfriend, and he would visit once a year at Christmas. One year he asked the hotel for a new 'fantasy girlfriend, as the regular one was getting older, and without a word of warning he dumped her for a new, younger model. the old one went on to clean houses to support herself and her children. when the monthly check didn't arrive she called him frantically and his mother would answer the phone and say he wasn't home. You wonder how people get into such a thing. the sadness in this is the guy was fooling with a poor woman who was really scared when he dumped her. A narcissist probably.

#5 Dec 13 - 4PM (Reply to #30)

itreallyisabouthim

Fantasy Girlfriend

Just SO sad. So...despicable.

#6 Dec 13 - 1PM

JusticeSeeker (not verified)

These Men Suck So Bad!

All I can say about my Ex is that he would get it on with anything that he could fit into! The thought of being with him now makes me ill. Arent these guys the prize catch :( NOT!

#7 Dec 13 - 12PM

cynthia (not verified)

faked it too

i always faked mine too, I mean such a display and act they put on so I gave the act back, ya ya ya I came now go pound your chest big boy, he would say you came already and I would say oh yes I just couldnt hold back, ha ha ha What a moron

#8 Dec 13 - 12PM

cynthia (not verified)

Bad in bed

Mine was only good in bed the first oh..... three times, then it was down hill after that, needed viagra, he gave his all in the beginning to get me hooked after that he acted like it was a maintenence type of thing, and NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER foreplay just stick it in for 2 minutes then he would quit because it would go down, told me I would have to wait for a few hours after a little nap, gee that was rewarding I cant wait in a few hours to get a little more of what you just gave me, maybe it will last three minutes next time, ewww lucky me and how considerate you are of my needs making sure I am ready so kind of you and thoughtful, guess my p didnt do much for him after awhile, bet if I put a sign on it that said NEW P he would have torn it up, but thats the sexual extent of a sex addict my counselor said, they like new, different, the person means nothing to them just new body parts they like to experience, yes indeed we were so special to them werent we, they loved and cared for us so much didnt they in fact so much they got ED with us and have to turn on porn tapes to get it up, I was so flattered I must say that I had to listen to men and women moan on porn tapes as he was tring to get it up with me, some nasty looking skank on the porn tape who looked like she was living in etheopia, underfed and looked like a crack whore that is what turned him on, but no not a sexy classy, attractive woman next to him that wasnt enough. They are trash and scum and they are damaged and I truly lowered myself as a person even being in the same room with him, he always said to me, I HAVE MET MY MATCH WITH YOU, ah I dont think so scum bag, you are no match for me, you havent got the slightest clue how to treat and keep a woman such as myself you wouldnt be capable, he really needs to stop pretending he can love and raping innocent victims and stick to the women who gravitate to the type of man he is, he can pay for them, find them in gutters, or crack houses, those are the women that he can hold on to.

#9 Dec 13 - 12PM (Reply to #20)

MsVulcan500

Not Satisfied

I, too, was rarely satisfied. And mostly in the beginning, or after we would get back together after D&D when he was trying. He always just wanted me to get him off, and there were times (one night I actually left while he was tied up with something else for a few minutes) that I actually had to ask, "What about me?" he made me feel like a back alley hooker most of the time, and during the last year I think we spent the night together 4 times. We would be fooling around on the couch, and if I said, "Let's go upstairs." When we'd get up there, the second he entered me I could feel it go down. All he could handle was manual and oral stimulation. WTF? I thought the actual penetration was supposed to be the holy grail. Hmmm. But then that would have meant there was something in it for me. I also blamed the ED on diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc. but now I am thinking there was much more to it. Doesn't it make you wonder why we stayed? I'll be thinking about this today . . .

#10 Dec 13 - 1PM (Reply to #21)

cynthia (not verified)

same here just about

the second he entered me I could feel it go down, I know this is personal exchange but what gives with that? Like I said it looked like an elevator button half the time, manual stimulation yes, ORAL, ha ha that didnt even work half the time, I always said I will give you til the count of 60 then you are on your own, I mean what do I get giving oral to a man that is limp, if the horse is dead its best to dismount, Trust me it wasnt the high blood pres, and high chol, or all the diabetes, there was more what that was about, I mean what if our Vaginas closed up when we werent ready how much fun would they have then? Same thing, their body parts dont even work when it comes to normal sex, I dont discredit men who have real genuine problems with ED, as they age it happens but the root cause of all this is from porn and perversion and then we their partners have to suffer because all they do is masturbate to their so called fantasies and most of the ED is a direct result of that, ya why did we stay thinking we had it all, they arent mentally right, the damage themselves sexually, they cant love, they cant bond, they treat people like tools,they lie, cheat,they are frauds, they can stand there in front of me with their gorgeous looks and body and all their wealth and success but they have nothing to give anyone, what a waste, its like being with an ATM machine, there is no human to bond or connect with , there is NOTHING INSIDE, so true when you are with a psychopath what you see is NOT WHAT YOU EVER GET.

#11 Dec 13 - 8PM (Reply to #25)

Monica

Intercourse is INTIMATE....

And we all know that Narcs just can't be intimate, they run away from that like it was the black plague. Oral sex (the almight BJ) and handjobs (usually him giving himself a hand job over me) are NOT intimate....they are what a prostitute would give a guy for $20.00 or so, or what the guy does in his own private place to himself. Mine was incapable of intercourse. Like yours, he just deflated immediately. Could not keep it up for intercourse. But for the other stuff...I'm sure he fantasized that I was his street whore giving him a quickie. No intimacy. No kissing (except at the beginning, of course), no caressing, no touching. Just a quick hug on his way out and sometimes not even that. WTF was I thinking?? Of course, at the beginning, it was nothing like that, it was very "normal" and passionate. That all important "honeymoon phase" with "Pretend Guy." Didn't last long but, by then, I was hooked/brainwashed/manipulated/controlled. Now I am none of those things and he gets NADA. And I hope that, if he finds new supply (he is a cerebral so I'm not really sure if he will find another woman or just pleasure himself) she - or he - gives him some terrible, nasty disease. Yeah, okay, I'm in my angry phase right now....

#12 Dec 13 - 9PM (Reply to #26)

cynthia (not verified)

Monica

I never thought of it that way, intercourse IS VERY INTIMATE vs hand job, or blo job that your prostitutes can dish out. There is more fantasizing with the later two than actual intercourse. Ya the good old honeymoon phase and Mr Pretend Guy, that is the phase where our damage was done to us and that is why we are here recovering from that INTENSE DECEPTION, those stages didnt last long did they Monica, but the recovery from the deception sure does, sometimes I look back and think the euphoria was like nothing I have ever experienced in my life and now the intense recovery is like nothing I have never experienced, they go hand in hand in a way comparing the two opposite emotions. You mention just a quick hug out the door, mine was just a quick kiss on the cheek, and nothing during intimacy, no wonder he was a lousy kisser he never had much practice ha ha So why then did they touch us so deeply if they gave us NOTHING intimately? It boils down to the deep brainwashing and all the pretend things they represented themselves to be, they pretended to be what they knew we wanted, god its sooo sick I wish I never saw such a sick side of humanity.

#13 Dec 13 - 4PM (Reply to #22)

Ellen

ED

Well my exN didn't sleep with others or pleasure himself or look at porn. He just said 'you don't realise what it was like for me' meaning in his past relationship. It was like it was demanded of him, thats the impression i got. He did have an injury that bent it then he had to have an operation. This is why i always think these are the causes of his ED. Still it doesn't really fit though and it always bothers me. It was the lack of being able to talk about it, the lack of knowledge of foreplay at his age, the feeling of undesirability that i eventually had. The tension around the subject. The waiting for the next time. Then feeling dirty cos i had to ask or make a big deal about it. He never looked at my body in the normal way a man has done before even though he used to say i was beautiful i felt that he was disgusted. When i was pregnant i asked him to take photos of me at each stage and i noticed he was uncomfortable so his words didn't match his facial expressions if you know what i mean. I find this whole subject very confusing. Once when we were doing it he said 'stop talking' really agitated.

#14 Dec 13 - 4PM (Reply to #23)

Scoop

Ellen , i read this post and

Ellen , i read this post and had two reactions my first is i know how confused you feel about sex with a narc . lord knows i have spent hours on this subject ,no wate.. days on this subject . And my second reaction is (and fogive me ) but what injury did your narc have to his little narc that would need an operation ? Big Love Scoop x

#15 Dec 14 - 11AM (Reply to #24)

Ellen

scoop

Hi scoop, I like that big narc and little narc. He bent it during sex i think with his ex, it formed plaques so they had to straighten it. That is why i thought he had a problem with ED. I think it was more than that though cos i remember when he was younger he seemed very switched off.

#16 Dec 13 - 11AM

itreallyisabouthim

LOL Mine was a marathon

LOL Mine was a marathon erection guy but I kept thinking, "You know, that's nice, but you're supposed to then DO something impressive with it, you know?" He gave marathon oral sex and I used to wish I had reading material. It was really bad. Painful even. I would end up at the other end of the bed. I remember actually sighing.

#17 Dec 13 - 2PM (Reply to #16)

cynthia (not verified)

been there too

It was really bad. Painful even. Hold on, these are delicate parts down there, are you trying to stimulate it or literally trying to eat it, OUCH I would like to do that to them sometime, try manually doing them when its bone dry and see how pleasurable that is to them, their techniques suck, they are not really skilled lovers but they can lay there while we do all the work and insidiously hump, I mean what did we expect, they are selfish in their sex like their lives so its no shock, remember ITS ALL ABOUT HIM

#18 Dec 13 - 2PM (Reply to #17)

Scoop

Excellent Cynthia ! i love

Excellent Cynthia ! i love it when you get on a roll! Right get this , the last time i had sex with my ex narc was a morning and i woke up in the mood so i made a few moves and he layed on his back seeming intrested . I did the work and it was over in 20 seconds which is truth . He then gets up and i say "well what about me ?" (not that it was werth it but you know )he said " i got mine you where the one who wanted it i just layed there " I dont think i have ever been so insulted and it plunged me in to a very dark place . He then started the D&D saying "you always come round and bother me , you even want to sit on my cock , so you sit on my cock and then start complaining that i didnt touch you the truth is i dont want to give anything to you because i dont want to be with you ". Shame dumping me crying blah blah blah . People would believe me if i told them of the poison that came from his mouth .I have told a couple of friends but it always end up with them saying why didnt you leave . i didnt leave because 5 mins after he had said the most terrible thing to me he was cuddling me stroking my cheek saying how sorry he was . Scoop x

#19 Dec 13 - 3PM (Reply to #18)

cynthia (not verified)

that is all their festered

that is all their festered anger they have inside just lashing out and saying what they want they are very very angry people inside and he probably knew what he said was wrong but they dont care, the bastards know right from wrong too, so they put on their little masks when they really dont want to and say I am sorry, when they really arent. I am sure mine did that to me many times over the phone then he probably hung up and called me a C--t. This is how they are. And dont they talk lovely to us, mine would say I want your p---y wrapped around my d--k and if you keep bitching I will stick my d in your mouth to shut you up. How classy huh? Talk to us like whores while we lay their and bat our eyelashes at them and say oh punish me more, I want more like they are the second coming of christ. 20 seconds wow bet you enjoyed that, I would have to take his hands and put them on me, like touch me you dumb ass, might as well be screwing a post but oh they like the caressing and touching they just lap it up while we are left starved after sex because of all that was missing, I would actually equate them to a dildo but I take that back, the dildo at least is hard.

#20 Dec 13 - 1PM (Reply to #2)

josh56 (not verified)

Mine was Useless Too!!

Brilliant Posts! The first time we had sex I gave mine a 5/10! And that was for effort! So schoolboyish and juvenile and not at all good! He never EVER made a sound so I never knew if he'd finished or not which used to pee me off! The first time we did it, I shouted, as I've always done and he thought he'd hurt me!!! Lol!!! And I remember looking for his ***** and not being able to find it! He is of mixed race and thought he was hung like a donkey - huuum! But of course because I never knew if he ever really wanted me so I wanted him all the more - he played me just right. And because I loved him so much, I loved the sex with him and wanted it all the more. Odd though that once I'd finished then I had to lie still while he "did his thing" - he said he could control his "finishing" better if I just lay there! That could take 20 minutes or more which could be very boring and often uncomfortable. He'd be at it on and on and on! He said that because he'd had a vasectomy then sometimes he only had a small orgasm! And oral sex? Forget it!! A man who doesn't like a blow job? Wierd!!! I always felt that he really didn't like sex at all. He wasn't in to anything a normal guy was. I could walk around naked and nothing. I gave up buying nice undewrwear as it never did a thing for him! Then the sex became less and less and it was always me who initiated it. He would talk for an hour or more to put off the dreaded deed, then blamed me for wasting time!! And mine could never get it up and I blamed myself for not being attractive enough, although I used to say to him that any other 50 year old man would love to be lying next to a nubile and sexy 50 year old like me! Talk to the hand though! The sex in the last 2 years has generally been really rubbish and I used to tell him so. He's now with a 29 year old Pole and probably at it like a jackhammer! Am I jealous? You bet ya!

#21 Dec 13 - 2PM (Reply to #3)

cynthia (not verified)

BEAN POLE

Everything you said was what I experienced. They dont have normal sex like most men, and HEY NORMAL SEX IS GOOD, better than MR ED thats for sure. I wouldnt worry too much about the bean pole he is with, the Jackhammer will slow down give him a few months he will tire of that also. Maybe if these guys would stop fantasizing about doing it with chickens, dogs, cats, hamsters, and focus on where their dicks are supposed to go, its called a VAGINA remember you learned it in sex education class, its how people make babies, remember? They destroyed themselves

#22 Dec 13 - 8PM (Reply to #4)

stives23

The narc I was "dating" I

The narc I was "dating" I swear at times lasted only a minute. That is not even a joke, and when he threw me away like trash the first time, I told him how pathetic it was that he could barely last two minutes in bed, then later on he would fake it. What I mean by fake is he would finish, then pretend he didn't then keep going, even though I could feel it completely limp inside of me. But I always wondered if there was something wrong with him, I mean yes he was young, but he NEVER could last long. And I mean the longest was probably a good 4 minutes. At least two or three times it was either 45 seconds or a minute something. And I'm not over exaggerating. Some trophy guy.

#23 Dec 13 - 9PM (Reply to #5)

MsVulcan500

Why why why?

As I have read all of these, I have to ask why? Why did we think this was good? Or even acceptable? Or normal? I know, it was because we were brainwashed into it, but in hindsight, I am laughing. Read these again, they are all sad sacks. If I ever see him again (and that will only be by accident) I will be laughing inside thinking about his "shortcomings". LOL

#24 Dec 13 - 11PM (Reply to #6)

Barbara (not verified)

lousy sex

when I started asking exNH why no sex - he BLAMED ME. I said I was doing ALL the initiating and hated it - he BLAMED ME. Then he comes home after 15 years of marriage and 2 kids and says "I want YOU to get a sex manual and lets do all the positions." WTF? I said "YOU get it..." He started raging. I was so hurt... "let's do all the positions?" WTF FOR??? There was no love or initimacy. Sex with him was CONSISTENT... And he HATED recieving oral sex from me. His big comment for EVERYTHING sexual, including oral was "That's WIERD!!" He couldn't stand getting oral. He NEVER EVER gave it. EVER. And he told me I was 'sick & a nympho' if I liked giving oral sex. Let's see, when we finally divorced we hadn't had sex in 7 years. Before that it was ONCE a year if that. Bizarre. Sex with emotion for me? Is NOTHING. Blech... Psycho-Boy? All talk, no action. He saved all his action for the $600/hour hookers. ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website

#25 Dec 14 - 8AM (Reply to #7)

cynthia (not verified)

"I want YOU to get a sex manual and lets do all the positions."

He should have known the positions, I bet you were floored, ya strange indeed not liking oral and sex once a year, something really wrong with that man, bizarre is right.

#26 Dec 14 - 8AM (Reply to #14)

The Girlfriend ...

This is ALL so true!

OMG. There are elements in each post on this topic that rings true in my relationship with my N BF. In the first year when we were dating, he was VERY amourous and sexy, always coming up behind me and putting his arms around my waist and whispering sweet things in my ear (all the while also living his secret sex life and cheating that I was completely in the dark about THEN)...even though he would try for sex in that first year 1-2 times or more a day...he could only complete the act about half the time...the rest of the time he would go limp almost as soon as we would begin actual intercourse, or he would try and try to come...until I was sore...and he couldn't about 50% of the time. And THAT was when it was during the 'good' times'! LOL There were a few times (perhaps about 3 actually) when sex was what I would describe as exciting and wonderful...and mutual with lots of foreplay and tenderness, and lots of being really into it, things stying up and going strong and all ( trying to be a bit descreet )...when he was also able to get to the finish line. But this good sex was really only about 3 times in 3 years. The rest of the time...over the last 2 years as he has become more abusive and now that I know him VERY well (which is virtually the kiss of death in a realtionship with a N as they always need someone starry eyed and worshipful of them, and I am definately NOT anymore)...IF we even have sex at all (sometimes it is a week or two between times)...the is NO foreplay at all. He will just lay there and say to me "Okay, do your thing'...and tell me to go down on him. There is none to barely any kissing anymore (he knows I love his kisses so he will often withhold them deliberately) He will just usually stay up on the computer looking at porn and masturbating and fall asleep on the couch, or come to bed around midnight when I am in a deep sleep and wake me up so he can get angry at me for not being in the mood for sex and give himself an excuse for whatever else he is up to (porn/cheating/etc) It is a lonely place to be. It is rare that I could classify any of our sexual intimate life as romantic and as true 'lovemaking'. Especially now that I know that love has nothing to do with what he does...except love for HIMSELF. I used to feel lonely and frustrated with our sexual life...and he used to put the blame on me or other things...now I do not care anymore. It used to hurt and I felt like an object, totally degraded, he sometimes treated me as if I was some 10 dollar pickup hooker...especially when he just wanted to be satisfied and tell me to 'do my thing' (BJ)...I am so not into sex with him anymore...I HOPE he spends time on the computer doing porn and falls in love with his hand. What a jerk off!

#27 Dec 14 - 10AM (Reply to #15)

cynthia (not verified)

Hey Girlfriend

Did you get my messages?

#28 Dec 14 - 9AM (Reply to #13)

The Girlfriend ...

This is ALL so true!

One more side note I forgot, mine sometimes has premature EJ on occasion. Usually when he was cheating on me. He would sometimes get hyper sexed with me when having an affair...and sometimes would do the opposite. Go figure. Most the time he has ED 50%. So sometimes when he was cheating he would want sex more (even though he would either have prem-EJ or ED. And some of the times we will go without ANY sex and he rebuffs my tries to get him in the mood or ask for affection.

#29 Dec 14 - 9AM (Reply to #12)

The Girlfriend ...

One last thing...but the first thing to go!

Just to add: Our first year, even with his ED and Prem-EJ, he would at least take a shower, shave and put on aftershave and sexy underwear for me. He would give me flowers and bring wine and chocolate to bed and try to be romantic and sexy. THAT made me not be too bothered by his sexual problems. NOW...he doesn't even shave or take a shower for 3 straight days on the weekends, no more aftershave...or sexy underwear...no wine or chocolate... ...he doesn't even try...even when I still do and take great effort in being all sweet and sexy for HIM. I realize the romantic attempts were just part of the process in his Dr. Jekyl 'good guy' phase...part of his false persona... Unfortunately he has become mostly 'Mr Hyde'...

#30 Dec 14 - 8AM (Reply to #8)

Barbara (not verified)

cynthia

I told the marriage counselor he'd dragged us to and she saw "nothing wrong with that comment" MY therapist, however - was as floored as I was. I thought "who the FUCK am I married to?" Sex manual? Was he kidding? When I learned about Narcs being hollow and having no self... it all made sense... but when he said it I was hurt and shocked ALL AT ONCE! And he wonders to this day why I won't come back to him! Like the 'positions' was the problem! and a sex manual would fix EVERYTHING! It was like being f*cked by a robotic ice-cube. ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website

#31 Dec 14 - 9AM (Reply to #9)

cynthia (not verified)

NO KIDDING

Like the 'positions' was the problem! and a sex manual would fix EVERYTHING! Sounds like HE needed to see the positions, to him of course anyone that had sex was a nempho and weird. I dont know what is worse the sexual narcs or the ones that arent sexual, at least its safer with the ones that arent into much sex. The onces that ARE into sex prefer their hand most of the time anyway especially as they get older they want it simple just go pay for their fantasy or jerk off and dream about it. They have a nice set up for themselves dont they Barbara, both of ours, the wife and GF at home to care for them, as their constant secondary supply, the hookers on the side, and a trail of victims who fell in love with them. THey cant brainwash and manipulate the hookers, that is just cash on the table for a service, the hookers could care less if they love them, but its the victims and their partners they fuck with and play games with use, abuse and destroy but they desperately need them for their good traits of humanity. So lets put it all on the table, the hookers for their sexual needs, the partners for their social status and acceptance, and the other side victims who are also good decent people the seem to need for more admiration. As I see it they must have to constantly remind themselves their partners are not their hookers so I have to put the mask on to make sure she feels loved and hold her after she performs for me its a pain in the ass for them but if they want that constant supply they must do certain things for them to stay around. I mean read all the comments their partners say on this forum how the sex is awful, cold, no touching, and they all feel like a object when they have sex, if that is not proof of how they simply can not love I dont know what is.

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