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#1 Aug 6 - 7PM
Anonymous (not verified)
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april and all

i had to look for your response when we were talking about roles of girlfriends vs side kicks, in your opinion and what you experienced do you feel they have a stream of steady girlfriends in their lives while they carry on the side? Do you think they usually like to have a steady girlfriend for show and a front? I often wonder lets see he is 54 never married if he will EVER marry and I often wonder if one day he will dump his girlfriend he has now when he retires or no longer needs her he has been with her a long long time probably guessing 8 years or more, she wasted all those years I cant imagine if she is ever thrown to the front curb what she would do, huh she would have to do like the rest who have been in her situation, everyone is an object and just used by them and they put a different mask and act on for all of them.

Aug 10 - 6PM
Marie
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GFs and sidekicks

I definitely think these guys have a steady stream of ladies. It became obvious over time through journaling that D&D with me always coincided with the mention of a new lady friend. Sometimes it would be the sister of a friend he recently ran into, his brother's GF, a friend's wife (most cases a couple that was having serious marital problems) the list is endless. He would complain how they would continually call or text him for advice. It was during these times that I would rarely hear from him or see him. He would either return because he fulfilled his desire or they let him know they weren't interested that way. But he was always window shopping and became angry with me when I tired of all his lady friends. He basically told me off because he was going to be friends with whomever he wanted. If they were only friends it would never have been an issue but it was too obvious there was either more going on or the hopes that there would be. He has friends with the hope of opportunity to get laid. I believe over time he will move some to the front but will always maintain secret ones on the side, ones that either just want to get laid or naive ones who haven't yet figured him out. Mine was married but his wife kicked him out when she found out he was cheating. The other woman left her husband when she got caught but he said he wanted to work things out with his wife. Once it was clear to him his marriage was over he tried to find this other woman but she wouldn't have him. I entered the picture not sure at what time all this was going on. Not sure if it was on going when I met him or after. In any event he seems to like having a lot of irons in the fire. I think they all do.
Aug 10 - 6PM (Reply to #22)
insectt (not verified)
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Yeah, mine two. All his

Yeah, mine two. All his realtionships have been 'lengthy' (usually several years). he can do this because everyone clings to him to relive the Fake Charming Man stage. He's not a monster 24/7 but he certianly is nothing the person he is when you first meet him. His new girlfriend, who he has been seeing for two months is now at the 'front'. He has declared to all of his friends that she is 'the one' and actually calls her his girlfriend. He discarded his baby's momma AND me for this girl. At first I was hurt and devastated and thought perhaps he 'really can change'. And is going to attempt a REAL relationship. But then I came to my senses. No, She only gets girlfriend status right now because he has just closed the doors on SO much drama that HE caused, that the ONLY way he can successfully mainatin this NEW SOURCE is to go 'steady' and pretend he is monogomous. Living with him, I am too high profile for him to maintain any kind of relationship with me and successfully maintain his new NS. Thus began my D & D in the period of one month (after two years of being his faithful sidekick, lover, friend) from his telling me I have a man who loves me to him telling me he feels like he lives wiht his mom. Okay, bub. Wait until real life kicks in with your NEW girl and her expectations and demands start kicking in. I will be long gone by then. And, I a taking the dog and cat too...lol!
Aug 8 - 5PM
Barbara (not verified)
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Beachcolors

Ns see others as objects - women are things or as Psycho-Boy called them "holes." Yours was unbelievably cruel. Wonder if he knows anything about child-support enforcement? LOL ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Aug 8 - 1AM
Barbara (not verified)
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closest thing to feeling

Psycho-Boy was obsessed with ejaculate as well - he loved to masturbate for women on webcam... even sent a little video of his "love" to Elizabeth (one of the other women) which she uploaded onto a website and can still be accessed... he did it for me on webcam a couple times and man was it shocking and sick... I had the typical PTSD "freeze response" and barely knew hat to say. When I saw all his reviews of the escorts he banged on his lunch hours not only did he rate these women and their performance like they were American Idol contestants... he was obsessed with oral sex. Recieving and giving. He talked about whether they would swallow or not a LOT. I realized one of his huge gripes about his wife was her NOT SWALLOWING... and he'd send me porn clips of oral sex and say "would you do this, or this" like I was some hooker he was negotiating price with. One of the worst things he ever said to me was, after finding out about my 12 year struggle with infertility and treatments to have children was "if you were my woman I would have given you all the babies you wanted." I remember feeling gutted when he said that. Just disemboweled. Lastly his chats with me went slowly downhill. When I did allow 'sex talk' I realize now it went from 'come' to 'cum' in about 8 months give or take. Again, like I was one of the sex-chat babes he paid to have cybersex with when he couldn't get out of the house to his escorts. My therapist told me the closest sexual narcissists ever come to 'feeling' anything is an orgasm. And sexual narcissists are prone to being sex addicts... not a shock there either. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Aug 8 - 2PM (Reply to #19)
Beachcolors
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Barbara...i think we were with the same man

My N was also obsessed with SWALLOWING! No lie he talked about it every single day. He told me which of his ex's would swallow and how he missed them for that. He would that because I was so innocent he was going to teach me how to do it...and how he wanted me to be a whore but only for him. Even after I told him I didn't want kids he still talked about getting me pregnant every time we had sex. He would tell me that he was a descendant of the Vikings and it was in his blood to spread his seed. His ex-wife #2 wanted to be a stay at home mom so bad....it's all she ever wanted. They couldn't get pregnant and he agreed to do invetro and after 6 months of her taking shots he came in the night before their first procedure and said "what procedure, i wasn't serious about having a baby with you"...im not going. After she stopped going to the doctor he called her a barren bitch. He would say your nothing more than a barren bitch you can't even me children and anyone can do that. So f****ing mean.
Aug 7 - 8PM
Beachcolors
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n's and thier girlfriends

I might have had a somewhat unique N "relationship" in that my N told me a lot about how bad he was. He would not admit to being an N but he did admit to being GOD. Of course he is a compulsive liar so who knows what is real. By his own admission my N (who is 45) always had a steady girlfriend/wife and what he calls "sidep***y". What is so sick about it was that the more stuff on the side he had the more he wanted. He has never had less than three girls on the hook at once. He even He actually made me an offer one day.....he told me that he isn't capable of loving anyone but himself and that he loved me as much as he could love anyone. He said that I could be his number one. We could get married and I would have access to his money, a nice house, a nice car and a few vacations a year. He said he would take care of me, provide for me, protect me, spend holidays with me and spend as much time as he could at home if I had his baby. In exchange for this all I had to do was everything he told me, have no opinion about anything and never question him. He would have as much sidep***y as he wanted and he would come and go as he wanted. I would go to work until I got pregnant, cook for him, keep his house clean and adore him when he was with me. Guys....Im not saying what I think it would have been, he actually said this to me, over lunch. He opened this proposal by saying "I have decided that you're the choosen one".
Aug 7 - 9PM (Reply to #17)
James (not verified)
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OMG

He actually made me an offer one day.....he told me that he isn't capable of loving anyone but himself and that he loved me as much as he could love anyone. He said that I could be his number one. We could get married and I would have access to his money, a nice house, a nice car and a few vacations a year. He said he would take care of me, provide for me, protect me, spend holidays with me and spend as much time as he could at home if I had his baby. In exchange for this all I had to do was everything he told me, have no opinion about anything and never question him. He would have as much sidep***y as he wanted and he would come and go as he wanted. I would go to work until I got pregnant, cook for him, keep his house clean and adore him when he was with me. Guys....Im not saying what I think it would have been, he actually said this to me, over lunch. He opened this proposal by saying "I have decided that you're the choosen one". Sounds like a legal type of slavery to me!!! http://james-personalitydisorder.blogspot.com/
Aug 6 - 10PM
Barbara (not verified)
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always supply around somewhere

do you feel they have a stream of steady girlfriends in their lives while they carry on the side? Do you think they usually like to have a steady girlfriend for show and a front? Sexual narcissists do. Yes to both questions I often wonder lets see he is 54 never married if he will EVER marry and I often wonder if one day he will dump his girlfriend he has now when he retires or no longer needs her he has been with her a long long time probably guessing 8 years or more, she wasted all those years I cant imagine if she is ever thrown to the front curb what she would do Why should he get married when she does nothing about it? Think - Mary Jo Buttafuoco put up with Joey over 20 years - I tolerated exNH over 24 years... think of the thrall that girlfriend is in, how programmed and brainwashed she must be. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Aug 7 - 9PM (Reply to #10)
cynthia (not verified)
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mmmmm

ya maybe like the proposal the chosen one got, where he can get all the sidep---y he wants and has an adoring pretend wife on the side, ha ha what narcissist wouldnt want that god they get sicker and sicker
Aug 7 - 10PM (Reply to #11)
Beachcolors
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sicker and sicker

you're right....that is exactly what happend for my N to be so off the charts. On the surface he has it all....very manly, good looking, great body, lots of money, lots of fun and interesting...all most all of the women he was with were either too dense to catch on right away or too needy to stand up for themselves. My personal observation is that he has a history of choosing women that "need" a man in some way. So if the brainwashing fails he can fall back on the fact that they moved in with him and have no where else to go, or he pays for their car, or they are comfortable with the lifestyle, or his wet dream will come true and she will get pregnant. That would be his ultimate accomplishment......
Aug 7 - 10PM (Reply to #12)
cynthia (not verified)
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pregnancy

you mentioned pregnant, mine always wanted to get me pregnant, what is up with that? YA LIKE HE WANTS TO BE A FATHER, I am guessing to make him more dependent on him he can use the child to manipulate her, and of course he would have no attachment to the child but only use the child as a mere object to control the mother
Aug 7 - 10PM (Reply to #13)
James (not verified)
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Born of this Union

I am guessing to make him more dependent on him he can use the child to manipulate her, and of course he would have no attachment to the child but only use the child as a mere object to control the mother Yes, they know the victim is less likely to leave if there are children involved in the relationship. My ex did this and knew as a father I would never leave my children. Females who suffer from personality disorder uses this more so then males but it's been know to use the children to manipulate and control the victim. 8. Breakup Panic "The Loser" panics at the idea of breaking up - unless it's totally their idea - then you're dropped like a hot rock. Abusive boyfriends often break down and cry, they plead, they promise to change, and they offer marriage/trips/gifts when you threaten ending the relationship. Both male and female losers may threaten suicide, threaten to return to old sweethearts (who feel lucky they're gone!), or threaten to quit their job and leave the area - as though you will be responsible for those decisions. "The Loser" offers a multitude of "deals" and halfway measures, like "Let's just date one more month!" They shower you with phone calls, often every five minutes, hoping that you will make an agreement or see them just to stop the telephone harassment. Some call your relatives, your friends, their friends, and anyone else they can think of - telling those people to call you and tell you how much they love you. Creative losers often create so much social pressure that the victim agrees to go back to the bad relationship rather than continue under the social pressure. Imagine trying to end a relationship and receiving tearful calls from all his or her relatives (they secretly hope you'll keep them so they don't have to), seeing a plea for your return in the newspaper or even on a local billboard, receiving flowers at work each day, or having them arrive at your place of work and offer you a wedding ring (male loser technique) or inform you that they might be pregnant (female loser technique) in front of your coworkers! Their reaction is emotionally intense, a behavior they use to keep you an emotional prisoner. If you go back to them, you actually fear a worse reaction if you threaten to leave again (making you a prisoner) and they later frequently recall the incident to you as further evidence of what a bad person you are. Remember, if your prize dog jumps the fence and escapes, if you get him back you build a higher fence. Once back in the grasp of "The Loser" - escape will be three times as difficult the next time. http://www.drjoecarver.com/clients/49355/File/IdentifyingLosers.html
Aug 7 - 11PM (Reply to #14)
Beachcolors
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So true James...

I would describe my N as almost obsessed with having a baby. For him I think it was for three reasons. 1. All of the people he knows have children. He sees that as one of the things you have to check off your list in order to be a man. I think not having children make him feel like he stands out from his peers now that he is 45. 2. Getting me pregnant would have been total control, even over my body. Now that I think about it he didn't even talk about a baby it was really just his sperm. He was obsessed with his sperm. I think he liked the idea of HIM (by way of his sperm) being with me forever. I would have had no choice but to deal with him and have him in my life. In his mind I wouldn't have been able to walk away from him if we had a baby. 3. I think he thought wanting a "baby" would endear me to him. He thinks that all women want to have kids and stay at home. I think he saw me, a 34 year old single woman with no children and thought that is exactly what I would want out of life. It didn't work...it made me sick to think about it....im not into kids.
Aug 8 - 12AM (Reply to #15)
cynthia (not verified)
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sperm obsession

mine loved to talk about "come", his carpet in his home was "come white" he would say, lovely, my carpet is shit brown then I guess, god they are all alike ewww just wait you new supplies see whats in store for you? it will go from you being the love of his life to come white carpeting
Aug 7 - 7PM (Reply to #2)
cynthia (not verified)
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indeed

I cant imagine all she would have to undo and deprogram, I am so thankful I lived a couple hours away that has really saved me, he is in her presence so he has more control over her to keep her in his deep mind control. Why didnt it ever occur to me here is a man that does this on the side to women what made me think he would just come home like a normal guy to his girlfriend and their relationship would be normal, the LIES he must tell her, he probably tries to get in arguments with her so that gives him time away from her to do what he wants, i can just imagine the abuse she suffers and then he smooths it over so she sticks around until he gets preoccupied with another victim he wants for supply and another and another and another, she is neglected, ignored, I remember when I met him he said to me I cant even think of being with my girlfriend because I want you so bad, think what she endures he shuts her out when he is working a new one and she has had to endure this for years because she is under his deep spell and mind control. Hey here is a thought maybe he will marry her when he is oh lets say 70 then she can wipe his butt and play nurse maid and care for him, or no forget that thought he is rich he will just probably hire private care
Aug 7 - 10PM (Reply to #3)
Barbara (not verified)
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cynthia

http://www.lisaescott.com/2009/06/24/understanding-narcissists-cycle-idealizing-you-devaluing-demeaning-you http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com/2007/12/other-woman-now-hes-happy.html
Aug 7 - 11PM (Reply to #4)
cynthia (not verified)
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mind to rest

Good reading I guess I can get closure at least in knowing that he didnt throw me away to run away and be NORMAL with someone else, it will be the same for the next supply until she is all dried up and starts to ask too many questions or begins to express her needs and wants when he withdraws. I am glad my time is done, I had a date with the devil in the end the truth always is before you and they run away so they dont have to deal with you face to face about it. Its like they say ha ha I conned you and it was all an act and you cant do a damn thing about it and I dont give a shit go cry and die for all I care I am getting new supply from someone else now. Is there anything we an do about it that will make us feel better except recover? We can look back at them and say they are sick but they are pretty happy in their sick world arent they while we suffer their wrath long after they are gone and they are dancing with someone else in the honeymoon phase. This is the hardest thing for me to accept, I can accept he is sick, I can accept I was conned, I can accept every single rotten abusive thing he did to me but I cant not accept the fact they never pay for their crimes to society and all the good people they destroy, this is eating me alive
Aug 7 - 11PM (Reply to #9)
Barbara (not verified)
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about all we can do

so 1. hire a lawyer and sue him civilly for "intentional infliction of emotional distress" 2. post him on some 'exposure sites' like: www.dontdatehimgirl.com www.peepsheet.com www.stoptheact.com www.cheatersexpose.com www.exrants.com www.ripoffreport.com and read: What We CAN DO by Kathy Krajco The victims of narcissists always feel helpless, impotent. For one thing, there is no getting through to a narcissist. I am sure of it. None. Zero. Never. No matter what. If a narcissist acts like you have gotten through to him, he is just conning you. The proof will be in what he does tomorrow. The moment a narcissist sees that you are about to attempt to really communicate with him, his knee-jerk reflex kicks in to just start bellowing a blowback that forms a solid wall of incoherent flak blocking communication till you just give up and shut up. I have seen narcissists with manifest terror in their eyes, desperate to prevent anything the victim is saying from getting through. That's how afraid of relating to you humanly, of a meeting of the minds between you, they are. Then they might have to know you are a human being and have some feeling for you. They don't dare have any feeling for you, and they know it. No predator dares have any feeling for its prey. If it did, it would starve. Not that I'm trying to persuade you to quit trying to get through to your narcissist. Decent people keep trying till they are convinced, through their own experience, that it's hopeless. Another thing we can't do anything about is the abuse. Since narcissists only abuse those at their mercy and unable to get even with them or force them to stop, it goes without saying that your narcissist has power over you, because all narcissists are bullies who only pick on the defenseless. So, something about the situation makes you a sitting duck. Narcissists just do not refrain from whacking sitting ducks, unless there are witnesses on hand at the moment. But in the posts and discussions here it has emerged that there are things we can do. Very important things we can do for ourselves. Crucial things, things that may prevent us from needing psychiatric treatment ourselves. One of them is to think for ourselves. If you let yourself be manipulated by political correctness, with all its absurd commandments that force you to bend over for abuse and then blame yourself for it, you are headed for serious trouble in your own relationship with yourself. The last post was an example. The United States doesn't dare let itself be morally bullied into not defending its people = not going after these bushwhackers wherever they hide. Likewise, you can't let by-standing holier-than-thous tyrannize you by morally bullying you into staying married to someone who abuses you. That's what they're doing when they say that it would be wrong for you to leave him - morally bullying you. They are threatening you with "talk" that you are a bad person if you don't do what they say is right. That tactic is the most potent manipulative stick in the world! The vast majority of people will do anything you want if you wave that stick at them. It makes you their master. Ask the KGB. Using it enabled them to brainwash and gain mind control over practically anyone without having to lay a hand on him or her. But don't subject yourself to it. Own yourself. Don't let the bystanders own you. If people are going to gossip about how bad you are for divorcing your abuser, let them. Just hope there is a God to punish them for it, pinch your nostrils shut at their professionally pious prig act, and get away from them too. No one has a claim on your life. You have an inalienable right to protect yourself and pursue happiness. Yes, even if he threatens to kill himself if you leave him. That's called having a backbone, moral courage. The courage to do what's right, or is your right, when all the thoughtless cattle scream on cue that it's wrong. If you don't, the self masochism you are forced into will haunt you. There's nothing worse than betrayal. And there's nothing worse than self betrayal. It will eat and eat and eat away at you making you feel like an abject worm so that you loathe yourself. Don't let that happen. Think for yourself and know what you know. Make your own choices. Don't let the madding crowd make them for you. In other words, don't you make the same mistake a narcissist does - thinking that appearances (things like your reputation) are what count and being driven to keep up appearances at any cost. They can change overnight. But reality doesn't. http://www.narc-attack.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Aug 7 - 11PM (Reply to #5)
James (not verified)
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cynthia

This is the hardest thing for me to accept, I can accept he is sick, I can accept I was conned, I can accept every single rotten abusive thing he did to me but I cant not accept the fact they never pay for their crimes to society and all the good people they destroy, this is eating me alive I am sorry but this isn’t the truth. In fact as you heal and get better both emotionally and psychologically they don’t. In fact one day their world starts to crumble around them and those who are nearest and should be clearest to them. Believe me when that happens you don’t want to be around. Better to considered your self and work on you and let sociality and a higher power deal with them. http://james-personalitydisorder.blogspot.com/
Aug 8 - 4PM (Reply to #6)
Rose-Marie (not verified)
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Cynthia

I saw the first N I ever dated (many years ago) two weeks ago. He looked sad and lonely - a lost soul in fact. I recovered from him. The relationship with the second N is another story. I remembered thinking that the first N was going on to a wonderful life with the perfect woman and I was so anguished back then, just like you. It just doesn't happen, so just work on yourself as I am going to, and remember that he will never be happy,
Aug 10 - 5PM (Reply to #7)
cynthia (not verified)
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thanks

i have heard that they are truly never happy, only on their honeymoon phases and then they move on wanting another high. They want us to think they are happy but I have been educated enough to know better. We on the other hand dont experience the new supplies they do but we do learn to live in reality knowing life is compromises, learning to give and take and its so much more well balanced. A good relationship isnt feeling that honey moon high all the time, NOBODY has that, but that is what they want as their drug and they find out that doesnt even sustain them more and more I am finding my closure in the fact I am NOT disordered and I CAN love and FEEL and that will always stay with me
Aug 10 - 5PM (Reply to #8)
insectt (not verified)
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That IS comforting. Knowing

That IS comforting. Knowing WE are the balanced ones. And once we get back to where we were before the lunacy, we will be balanced again. Thinking of living the rest of my life with drama, lies and deciet is such a crappy goal. But that is what they do. I think Barbara posted how N's mirror back OUR best qualities during the honeymoon stage. I was a pretty fun, awesome person, then. And will be that way again. Because that's who I REALLY am. Yay! I feel happy today.