The 10% Hope?

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#1 Aug 19 - 12AM
loveofmylife
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The 10% Hope?

Hey, remind me again why Ns just can't let go..... why they keep you hanging on with at least 10% hope. Mine, over 23 years, has gone from 10% - 80% hope - I'm sure depending on how low his supply was in other areas of his life.

Is it because they can't stand abandonment? I'm assuming they are not keeping us on the back burner because they actually want a real relationship with us? I guess it is just supply again. Cause I can see that the single women he was really leading on last year are still available so he never intended to start anything with them.

After one month of successful no contact and ignoring on my part, and after being completely D&D by him where he said he never wanted any relationship with me again, and of course it was all my fault for violating his boundaries â„¢ blah, blah, blah - he emailed me twice, which I ignored and then he called me at work yesterday and I picked it up....ughhhh....

Of course, upon hearing his penetrating, sweet voice, I melt instantly. He offered his help again with an issue I had been working on and stupid me talked to him about it for about 1 hour and he was all sweet again, laughing, happy, asked me "how are you doing??" in that really caring, penatrating voice that always made me feel like he cared for me deeper than anyone on the planet. talked to me about some person things, like vacation stuff. And then said "hey, I'll call you back tomorrow and let's touch base on this again!" I didn't respond one way or another. And then 7:30am I get an email from him again saying that "upon reflection", there probably wasn't anything more for us to talk about. So once again, he is in control and decides when we will talk and not talk. And gets to make me obsess over him again.

Why am I so stupid to allow myself to be mindfucked over and over again????? So now I am obsessing about everything all over again. And it is my fault!

Aug 19 - 8PM
Susan32
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Dangling the hope

My ex-Psych professor acted the same way. At first, my friends thought I was the crazy one because I'd be upset, saying, "he led me on!" They'd calmly say "He didn't lead you on... he was just telling you he's not interested." But this was full-blown D&Ds, constant lectures on how my love for him violated the Social Order (TM). By the end, they did agree that yes, he had strung me along... not only in hoping for a romantic relationship, but a relationship. He acted as if I were rushing him, but I had waited for FOUR YEARS to tell him how I really felt... and the results were brutal. Normal romantic rejections are handled in an ADULT way;being honest, being clear. They DO not consist in flaunting the long-distance girlfriend, bullying, and endless lectures. After the D&D (and the revelation of the long-distance girlfriend/fiancee), he said that yes, we could be friends... IN THE FUTURE. He said there would be a waiting period, a time when I was still supposed to still view him as my teacher/superior. It wasn't a romance I had hoped for with him... simply a RELATIONSHIP.
Aug 19 - 8AM
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The more important question

The more important question you need to be asking yourself at this point hun is WHY do you feel your only worthy of a relationship that is going to give you 10%? He does what he does because it has worked for him in the past. You cater to his needs when on his schedule. When he needs you for something you make yourself available to be used. So if you want it to stop, stop allowing it to happen. You are in fact in control of your destiny and this abuse you are subjecting yourself to is not normal or healthy in any respect. He will never give you what you need. He is disordered and incapable. Lots of love today...xoxo only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Aug 19 - 8AM
NinjaGirl
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Having no contact with my ex

Having no contact with my ex for two months has completely broken the bond we had, or rather the spell he had over me. He could call me right now and tell me how much he loves me, and that he wants me back, and that he's sorry for everything he's done for me, and I would probably just tell him good luck with everything he's doing and then hang up and not give it another thought. I hardly ever think about him anymore, and when I do, it's with no emotion whatsoever. No Contact is so incredibly crucial for us. I completely shut my ex out of my life in every way. I think he got the message, thankfully. And now I have no feelings for him anymore. There isn't a word he could say, a tone of voice he could use, that would sway me. And just a couple of months ago I was dying to have him back. Once I made up my mind that I deserved better, though, that was it. I literally could hear the door slamming in my head when I made that decision. Block him in every way possible. You'll find peace then.
Aug 19 - 1PM (Reply to #20)
ShaynasMommy
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Yes Ninga Girl!

This is exactly what I am talkin' about. It is a decision you make. Does the N own your brain? No!!!!!! Once you make the firm decision to go NC, and mean it, it will blow their ever-lovin' minds. You'll see.
Aug 19 - 7AM
better off
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Just checking...

That was called "just checking." He didn't get any email responses so he called to see if he could get you to bite. You bit. (Not blaming you here, you are in early stages and my N certainly had a warm penetrating caring voice,and it could certainly make me melt, and he could also turn it on and off, like yours just did) So, he checked... knows he can call you and get you to talk to him whenever... so now he doesn't really need to talk to you anymore, because... he doesn't CARE about you. And at least you can see that, as usual, it's always on his terms.
Aug 19 - 7AM
Goldie
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I would ask myself a different question

"Hey, remind me again why Ns just can't let go..... why they keep you hanging on with at least 10% hope." I don't believe today that is is the Narc who cannot let go. I believe that it was me who could not let go. Our power and serenity does not come from what others are doing to us, it is about what we are doing to us or ALLOWING to have done to us. While the question remains: what is he doing to me? The victim mentality remains and the merry go round of denial continues. Once the questions become: What am I doing by staying? What is my part in staying? Then self empowerment and the healing process can begin. As long as I continue to ask myself the questions of why he this or he that, I never get to the core and truth of the matter and that is: Why can I not let go? Just another way of looking at it. I wish you the best in sorting out this question. God bless, Goldie
Aug 19 - 12PM (Reply to #17)
Used
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letting go

b/c you love them, so its not just about not beign able to let go, its about relizing you loved someone like this, who treated you like this, but to me its also about hope, hanging in there hoping they will change, even changing your self for them, but hope is what keeps us alive and still going, i know people who have given up and i think no dont give in, but in another way i think,i dont blame them, ime going to admit something, even if my exh could change i wouldnt want him any way, i had stop loving him when i still lived with hi. so he was no loss to me at all, but the n is more recent so i admit he is still in my head at times, but i can think of what a day was like with him in the begining and i miss that, but then i think of the days in the end and think yuk, i couldnt go back, its just some days i go wobbly and i do miss my mum at the moment, but only the thought of her, not her. does that make sense, i doubt it.lol,nothing makes any sense to me today, and i will be afraid to go to bed, in case ime like this tomorrow as well.
Aug 19 - 11AM (Reply to #4)
loveofmylife
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Goldie

How did you answer the question of "why can I not let go?" for yourself? I think, for me, it is that I have never loved someone or felt so connected to someone so deeply in my entire life. And I feel like if that hope is gone, that I would be all alone in this world. And that I am too old to start all over again.... ughhh.
Aug 19 - 1PM (Reply to #14)
better off
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False Beliefs

But that is a false belief that you would be all alone in this world. In fact, it's really just a feeling. You feel like you would be all alone in the world... but with therapy, and time, and NO CONTACT, you will begin to get a better grasp on what is actually true, and what is actually just a scary feeling. And it IS a scary feeling... I felt my world UNRAVELING when I broke it off for good with my exN. Black, terrible, overwhelming fear. But those were feelings, not truth. And I overcame that, and so can you. And what you are grasping on to... is in fact a FALSE hope because it's better than facing "reality" (but as I just said, your feelings about reality will change in the future!). And you KNOW it's a false hope, you actually do know in your heart that it isn't real. But you're on that fence of feeling like, shit, false hope is better than scary reality. Buuuut... it isn't, not really. False hope is a bitter disappointment, and the longer you hang on to it, the more the disappointment. Here's the rub... if you continue to cling to this empty shell of a man... the longer you WILL BE alone. Because being WITH him is still being alone. He is nothing inside. And the older you will get. You are hardly too old to start over again! But that's beside the point... I'm just saying that every day you spend stuck in the dead past with him, is another day gone from your life, a day you cannot get back. I once read a funny quote from Julia Cameron (The Artist's Way) that was about someone always invariably asking her (about starting a new venture)..."do you know how old I'll be by the time I do that???" And she says.. "the same age you'll be if you don't." ;) Most of us here, who have moved on with our lives, will tell you that we wish we could get back the time wasted on these people. You cannot have a relationship with him. There is NO percent chance of it, because HE cannot have a relationship with anyone on earth. You know in your heart that this is true. Please don't waste any more of YOUR precious life on some fake hope for some fake future with some fake man. You're worth more than that.
Aug 19 - 4PM (Reply to #15)
loveofmylife
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thanks betteroff

It is sad how much we suffer and feel pain, when they probably feel nothing, and how much recovery time and reprogramming this takes after they have brainwashed us for years and abused.... And takes much kicking in the butt and much beating over the head. thanks xoxo
Aug 19 - 5PM (Reply to #16)
better off
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kick kick... beat beat...

kick kick... beat beat... hug hug! xoxo
Aug 19 - 12PM (Reply to #8)
Goldie
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Good question LOML

Hi Loveofmylife, I too initially thought that I was too old, would not find anyone else, did not want to start again with someone new. These were thoughts which floated through my head during the good and the bad times. I eventually realized that love is not just about my emotions. Love is also about using my head, not just my heart. My heart was telling me that I loved this man and kept wanting to help him and do for him regardless of how he treated me, which was hot and cold as you describe. My heart would keep going back to "daddy" as a child no matter what pain he inflicted upon me. I needed to allow my head to kick in and my head said: This man is going to kill you. I am not just talking about literally I am also talking about a much worse death, a slow death where you lose your self respect, you lose your dignity, you lose your sense of what is right, fair, and just and your decision making process becomes so clouded that the unacceptable becomes the acceptable and you are no longer a woman in touch or control with her own sense of self, it does literally become all about them, with the trying to please, waiting for the phone, texts, emails, visits, ect...Once my head kicked in and I could get out of my heart, I was like: Are u f ing kidding me? This man is a mess. He is selfish and all the rest. If I stay with him he is going to take me down to a place where I do not choose to dwell. I said to him towards the end: I am a child of God and God has good things in store for me, he is NOT going to allow the likes of you to take down one of his favored children and do you know what he said to this? He was stunned and he said, I know you are and I know that he won't. He pretty much knew his days were numbered after that and for the first time in months I was putting myself and my spirituality BEFORE him as it should be and he realized the gig was up. He said a couple days later: You are just not that into me anymore are you? And I said: Do you think? I went NC when I came on here and have had NC for going on 3.5 months now. My head has cleared and I realize that I want MY life back, I want to learn to be alone again and experience the rest of life which is not centered around a sick man. I know there are good men out there because my son is one. He is not perfect but he would never cheat on a girl or call her these awful names or use people for his own personal gain. There are far worse things in life than being alone and one of them is to be at some selfish Joe's beck and call. It's almost like you have to retrain your brain after one of these Narcs has a hold on you. Everytime you find yourself thinking about them you need to shift the focus to yourself or God or anything but them. I answered the question about why I could not let go with the reality that I was sick now, his sickness had rubbed off on me and I was still in his control even when he was not in the room. I had to change my thinking and allow myself enough time to be out of his presense to do this. He is like a drug to me an unhealthy entity and this is why I could not let go, plus he reminded me of my father who was a Narc so I was programmed to put up with this abuse. On some level it felt familar to have to practically beg for normal human love from a man. Breaking the obsession is not easy and takes time and practice. I have a faith which tells me that God does not want me to be with a man who treats me like a piece of crap so that helps as well. I do not believe for one second that we were put on this earth to hook up with Narcs. I believe that they need to be alone and that eventually we will meet someone better. God cannot open a new door until you close the old door. I believe this as well. Part of it is changing what you think. If you think that you are too old or this is the best that you can do then you will play that out and allow this to continue. Change your thinking and you too will change. You were doing real well with your NC, try to go back if you can and allow yourself more time to heal. There are some great posts on here now about the healing process and being alone and getting to know and like yourself. God bless, Goldie
Aug 19 - 5PM (Reply to #10)
loveofmylife
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Goldie

"and your decision making process becomes so clouded that the unacceptable becomes the acceptable" I need to kick my head in gear and just remind myself that HE BETRAYED ME TO IMPRESS OTHER WOMEN!!!! AND HE LIED ABOUT IT LATER! He did not NEED to do this. He did it because he WANTED to, because it would get him a quick hit. And he was manipulating me at the same time for financial gain. I just need to keep thinking about this...because that is unacceptable! But the part of your post that triggered me into sobbing.... My dad was also a very, very strong N. Something I didn't know what to call it until I found this website. I just saw how he tortured my mom emotionally and verbally...anyway - just about as strong a N as they come. But my dad and I were incredibly, incredibly close despite the fact that I was afraid of him. He was hot/cold with me - all of the abuse tactics. My current N realized how much he and my dad were alike after they met and worked together. And N kept saying "your dad and I this...and your dad and I that" pairing them together in my mind to win my favor because he knows I love my dad deeply and respect him. So maybe this is a big part of what is going on with me. With my dad passing recently....and as close as we were.... I feel like N is all I have left. And N is like a duplicate of my dad personality-wise...except my dad was a huge extravert and boastful and N is an introvert and self-effacing - which is why I didn't pick up on it at first. But all of the affairs, verbal and emotional abuse are all the same. I grew up in a big, fat Greek family with lots of charm, charisma, warmth, love and loud forceful personalities. I am used to that loving chaos in my life. And it just feels deathly quiet with no one really left in my Greek family and without N.... Maybe I just need to go to Italy or Greece by myself so that I can get a dose of that..... Mariline - where are you???
Aug 19 - 7PM (Reply to #13)
almostlydia
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That's exactly what I'm

That's exactly what I'm planning to do as soon as I sell my house - GO. I have no job, children are now gone, I'm free to go far, far, away and get a new perspective of things away from all of this. I was married to a Greek man, my children are Greek. My second trip to Greece was after finding out about the first OW before I even realized there was a whole list of them to come. I ran away with my daughter to Santorini. I would highly recommend it. This new trip, I'm thinking Italy. There is something very freeing about going to the other side of the planet. One of the friends I no longer see figured I could just go and sit my ass on a beach for a bit and all would be fine. That's all she would need, and got her whole little group to agree with her as if putting me on the spot for being ridiculous. This was the beginning of why we are no longer friends. It was somewhat embarrassing for them I think to have to acknowledge that none of them had ever been outside the country. B*tch. That is what a supportive friend is NOT. Desperate times require drastic measures. Or so that's the way I see it. almostlydia

almostlydia

Aug 19 - 7PM (Reply to #11)
better off
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I'm sad that your N did all

I'm sad that your N did all that to you... that he used such tactics as to link himself to your dad in your mind, as a means of keeping you hooked to him. And some of it is just the plain old truth that we do seek to recreate our family of origin relationships. I once read something about that that said, beware when you meet someone and feel like you've known them all your life... because you probably have. If we had a parent that used any abuse tactics on us, then that "fit," while comfortable, is also a dangerous thing. I understand how this makes it very hard for you. I went through so much of this too. But you aren't alone, and there are other options for a full and satisfying life. This experience can teach you how to go out there and get it for yourself... I can see you thinking about just what it is REALLY that you feel lacking in your life... and to find THAT, because it's not going to be found in one man. I think if you HAD ended up with him, not only would it turn out N bad (and you would have had the relationship your MOTHER had with your dad, not the relationship YOU had with him), but you would ended up bored out of your skull with what he is really like. Now.. go break some plates! Opa!!! ;-)
Aug 19 - 8PM (Reply to #12)
loveofmylife
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betteroff

Funny you said that about my mom and dad. AFter the first DDs last summer, I said to N "our relationship is starting to seem like my parent's relationship with my dad abusing my mom and my mom doing everything for my dad - and that is not good!"
Aug 19 - 1PM (Reply to #9)
better off
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Great post!!

Great post!!
Aug 19 - 11AM (Reply to #5)
Used
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goldie

thanks for earlier, i got in such a tizzy, i got in touch with a friend to come and look at my laptop, she done it shifted my story, to right place, and showed me how to sort out emails, i feel so needy too day, ive had the shakes all days, and crying for a couple mins, then doing again, this has got to be the worse day ive had since, i dumped them both, i even thought cos it is nearly a year, shouldnt i be pleased not getting depressed,earlier i felt i cant do this anymore, my story is the tip of a big iceberg[as everyones on here is], i know i was lucky to get out, yet today, i think, why was that gods plan for me, nparents,nh, nfriend, i even thought do i like beign tortured, anorexia was bad enough, ime so sorry for this pathetic post, but i need to explain, my mums birthday is next week, 5 days after my dad died, and exh birthday. yuk. life sucks at the moment.
Aug 19 - 12PM (Reply to #6)
Goldie
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Anniversary's can trigger us

You have a lot of old memories coming up now and it is perfectly understandable that you would have these emotions. Plus the X was in your face, try not to be so hard on yourself. You are doing good. Your story is very inspirational and I would love to hear more of it. You survived and removed yourself from hell and you have accomplished so much by doing this, plus now you can help other people with your sharing, and life will only get better as time goes on. We all have bad or off days. When my X's sister contacted me a couple of weeks ago, I was set back too, so I totally understand what you are saying. God bless, Goldie
Aug 19 - 12PM (Reply to #7)
Used
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thankyou

i cant write anymore about my married life yet i feel too raw, and i havent even got to the narcs story yet[ i feel a book coming on] i left that man exh at 48, with no thought of getting with a man again, still wasent better, so all my attention was on eating or not should i say,8 years after leaving him i wasnt binging or starving anymore, and"allowed my self i meal a day ,every 24 hours. so to me i was better, after all i was living on dry bread and water till then, so to me i was better, didnt spend my whole day cleaning my self and my home. i was better, then i met the n, and that is why i cant afford to be come involved with anyone, b/c they only get in when my gaurd is down, b/c i ate once a day i thought i was healed, well yes in my body, but not in my head, i became complacent. and in he walked. that story another time hopefullyxx
Aug 19 - 7AM (Reply to #2)
Used
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goldie

i dont know much about computers, so could i ask you how without writing my stoy again, i have put it on the message board, it took me ages to pluck up the courage to do it now i have done it wrong, and how do you paste things, hope you dont mind me asking.
Aug 19 - 7AM (Reply to #3)
Goldie
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Your story

Hi Used, I just read your story and was so moved by it. I started crying and will never forget this story. Your dispair and then your courage to leave are an inspiration to me. You are amazing girl. About the post. Can you highlight it and then right click and select copy? Then try going into the story section and once you are on the page with your story name set up, go to the blank screen and right click again and select paste, that should do it. Betty can delete your story from the other section if you would like, otherwise, just keep it there. Let me know if this works. God bless, Goldie