Is it going to feel like this forever

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#1 Jul 26 - 9AM
finallydone
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Is it going to feel like this forever

I've been reading a lot of stuff on here the last few days and posting very little. But after reading one post in particular.... I went into a tailspin and just wondered if anybody had any thoughts or insight.

You see.... I knew my N for a long time before we got together. He was a "friend" of our group and knew my ex-husband. They didn't particularly like eachother. They sort of did... and got along on certain levels. Both POTHEADS. Both artistic.

But what really threw me last night was a description somebody gave of the sexual aspects. And I thought.... oh my god... I think my ex might have been a different kind of narc. But I didn't know it then... wasn't looking for that then.

He is very intelligent, seemingly compassionate, but there was a side of him that was very demeaning. He was a porn addict, would rent several movies, get stoned and watch them all night. He tried to include me but I wasn't into it. I found a binder he had put together one time of hundreds of women printed off the internet - porn sites.

He was completely into fantasy sex and it put a wall between us because I didn't want to roleplay. Nothing wrong with that in principle if two people are into it... it just wasn't my thing.

He didn't scream and yell in the way my recent N did... but he would "lecture me". My mother talked about how arrogant he was and when people would come to visit, he would just disappear and go read or get stoned or whatever. When his father passed away suddenly things went downhill fast... he wanted to go to swingers clubs (which I REFUSED), he was openly chasing another girl (wrote her a poem, framed it and showed it to me), and through all of this stress I lost a bunch of weight and he started telling me how sexy I was and he wanted me to do all this stuff - swing, go to strip clubs with him, etc. I remember him telling me that now I was better looking than the neighbor down the street, almost as if he was paying me a huge compliment that I should be happy about. WEIRD, HURTFUL, AWFUL.

He even encouraged me to flirt with my recent N because he was in the throes of his "we can be married and see other people" fantasy. I was horrified because I don't use people like this. The fact that N and I got together as the marriage ended was I think more a result of N doing what Ns do. Had always been flirtatious with me and when things fell apart, he swooped in and showered me with all the attention that my ex-husband hadn't given me. And I fell for it hook line and sinker.

I used to say that I felt I had a bit of a battered woman's syndrome going on with my ex-husband... but I used the term only as a description... couldn't really feel that I was abused because I didn't understand emotional abuse.

And with N... it was all FANTASTIC at first. But he quickly showed his redflags which I also didn't understand at the time. They were startling... but then he would become this wonderful amazing man again so fast... you guys know the routine.

But he also, seemed fascinated with sexual idiosyncracies that put me off. Somebody mentioned yesterday that her guy wanted to watch her pee... mine was insistent about that and I kept telling him no. He would be playful about it and back off, but always brought it up. And things became more and more impersonal and about just kind of weird stuff. It's all about context I think.... with two consenting adults that are both into whatever it is... I don't think anything is really off limits. It's about what is okay for you (me) as a person. And it always felt like I was a blow-up doll.

Anyway, the point is that I feel just dead inside. Like I know there is absolutely no way I could ever let a man near me again, sexually, personally or otherwise. I don't think I can share possessions, thoughts, feelings, sex... nothing. I watch romantic movies and "feel" and tear up and want those things. But if I really think about it in context of my own reality.... I feel this cold fear and disgust come over me. And then I get very very sad... because I'm only 41 years old... seems like I have love to give.... but I can't find it anywhere. I know it's way too soon to consider that - but what I'm most afraid of is not ever being able to find that quality within myself again. At those points in my life... I loved them both SOOOOOO much. And look what they did... and more importantly... look what I allowed them to do.

It's a beautiful Sunday and everything I should do just feels like a chore... nothing in me is excited about any waking moment. It just all feels like I'm just existing... but for no reason at all. Just feel dead. Has anybody else felt this? Any ideas or has anybody felt that way and then woke up one day and not felt that way anymore?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Jul 26 - 4PM
Barbara (not verified)
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finallydone

3 years ago when I was still just 2 years out and obsessing I put a lilac bush in my front over a hideous fence and next to the driveway... now it is flourishing with lovely fragrant flowers in the spring and deep green leaves all summer. I also put in 3 low maintenance burning bushes - everyone thought they would die... they are now about 6 feet tall and turn bright red in the fall. I also have some veggies in containers and beautiful flowers in my teeny front yard. Over the last few years I look at my yard and see new growth. I got new sheets & curtains, rearranged the furniture and went to a recycling center for home repairs and found some lovely things for my garden and even my inside. finallydone - nothing it going to speed up this process. There is nothing on the web that will give you that quick fix or 'silver bullet.' I wish I could tell you it would. But only time and hard work on your part. http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com/2006/10/as-you-work-toward-emotional-healing.html http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com/2006/07/awakening-time-comes-in-your-life-when.html You are not damaged goods. He chose you and targeted you because of something GOOD about you - so find it again. It takes a lot of time... Acknowledge your pain, anguish… and every other feeling you have. Don't repress it. Surround yourself with supportive friends/ family. Create a positive affirmation for yourself … perhaps from the list below. Make sure to interact with at least one positive force in your life every day. Allow yourself a lot of time to heal and learn. Forgiveness of YOURSELF frees YOU from YOUR pain. It is critical to remember during this healing time that… Your trust has been abused… this is a very big deal. Recovery will take months & perhaps years. You are NOT responsible for the betrayer’s decisions. (If you see self as the betrayer of self – recognize that your choices were propelled by choices you felt were reasonable at the time and by their programming.) You CAN heal. You are NOT alone. You are NOT "stupid." YOU did not create the betrayal. You do NOT need to understand the betrayer’s actions in order to heal. You may never understand the betrayer’s motivations – you do not have to in order to heal. Find activities you enjoy and do them. In another 5-6 weeks it will be time to put in bulbs for the spring! Get magazines or drive around your neighborhood and make notes of the plants you see that you like. Then come spring when your bulbs are coming up, you can go to the nursery and get some real color for the home. I just discovered alliums this year... they are so cool and just pretty! Now have any of your sisters on this site who are a few years out said it FEELS THAT WAY FOREVER? listen to us... we have been there. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Jul 26 - 2PM
Scoop
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My guy wanted me to do

My guy wanted me to do unspeakable things to him . Like your ns he would make a joke of it but the subject always kept coming up . I didnt do unspeakable thing to him but he made me feel guilty because i didnt do it . These guys eh ? They are Pantomime of men . They had to resort to "playing us " as they knew their real personality wouldnt have got them anywhere with us smart beautiful women . My crime if you can call it that was beliveing someone at face value . I thought because we where in the same political party which strongly is for womans rights and equality i was safe . In my circles you just dont fuck over another comrade . He is going to be expelled from the party soon anyway due to his ego . I could save his butt but when asked for my thoughts on the subject of him being expelled i just said "i think he needs a rest" ...Man im such a lady ! A ns cant feel anything . I dont know if i will ever get my head around that .I do know i can feel things and that is why i will go on to better things where he will just carry on pissing people off and having to move from group to group . Im in to 4 weeks now with out seeing him and i have to say when i think back to 2 weeks ago i feel better than i did then . There are times in the day when i am distracted from thinking about him and thoses times are getting longer apart .I can do a good 10 minutes now , It may not sound much but it is progress . Im eating 3 meals a day , i am not turning to drink or drugs and i am sleeping ok . Its just most of the day i feel like my heart has been ripped out and trampled on . Keep posting because it helps to know how your doing . big love sister Peru x
Jul 26 - 2PM
cynthia (not verified)
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hey there finallydone

I was the one that mentioned mine wanted to watch me pee, i read your post a few times, and we are very similar in how we got hooked up with these monsters, we were both in need of validation and wanted to be loved, and in my book that is not a crime but if a psycho happens to catch you in this state WATCH OUT, you are doomed. That is the state they want us in, newly divorced, unhappy married woman, like a feast before their eyes and they pounce on that. The SICK sexual deviates pretend we are the love of their life and BAM, they slam us with their sickness. So you are left feeling exactly as I do, I am so screwed up sexually right now it scares me. when we give our bodies, our hearts and trust and love to someone and used as a blow up doll or just an instrument of masturbation to them I feel as if I have nothing left to give to ANYONE, my time, trust, NOTHING, I too feel DEAD inside. I believe with all my heart in myself now because that is all I have and I believe that with hard work we can feel alive again and have normal human urges to be intimate with someone who truly loves us, in my mind I may think now wait a minute you arent going to turn into a psycho on me? I dont fear that much though because we will know even though they are good actors, there is always something odd about them, I saw red flags but was sooo taken that I dismissed them, I wont dismiss the red flags if they appear next time, self preservation I will never go thru this again. Yes I too feel why do they partners I love soooooooo much never can feel the same way about me, well we know the answer to that if we pick out partners that are pathological, it will never work and it is NOTHING WE DID WRONG AND I HOPE YOU BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE I DO, but i know it also doesnt help the pain of it all. Its not like someone can say to us "but he was a psycho", and then we say, oh ok everything is fine then it doesnt work that way, regardless if they cant love, WE LOVED, and WE WERE HORRIBLY BETRAYED AND USED FOR THEIR SICK AGENDAS. know this we will one day love again and be loved and we will get thru this, i am with you, i dont know you but your pain is mine and those nights when you cry yourself to sleep I am probably doing the same thing, god love ya and I hope you find peace soon
Jul 26 - 1PM
Barbara (not verified)
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finallydone

it is still VERY VERY early for you. most women report some relief about 18 months after full no contact. You shouldn't be thinking about dating for at LEAST 18 months anyway. Stick to therapy - read the books...perhaps get HOW TO SPOT A DANGEROUS MAN hang in there. the deadness & numbing is PTSD. you on any low dose meds? be gentle with yourself - do things for YOU and don't worry about meeting anyone right now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Jul 26 - 11AM
insectt (not verified)
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You still have a lot of love

You still have a lot of love to give and will someday find someone that will appreciate and cherish it. It's important you recognize the red flags. Of course you feel dead, the vampires sucked you dry. but, because you are HUMAN, someday, when you are ready and strong again you will FEEL you are the wonderful person you were, are and will be. It is difficult right now because of the emotional trauma. But as long as you focus on yourself and realize you did nothing wrong and can recognize red flags, you have already begun healing. I cannot say how long your healing will continue for because it is different for everyone. Unfortunately, I still live with my N. So, there are periods of time where I cylce through emotions. but i kust keep thinking forward and with the support of my WONDERFUL friends and this message board, I can get through it. And so will you :)
Jul 26 - 11AM
devoured_soul (not verified)
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I know. You feel dead

I know. You feel dead inside because they devour your soul. I have been N free for slightly over a month now. He wanted to do "odd" things in bed within the last 6 mo. or so. Like "rape" fantasy sex. I dont know...there was so much of it that was painful and the "good" times were just a con to get us or get us back...I still feel "doomed". Doomed past, doomed future because of him. I am soooooo cautious and analytical when I meet a guy and frankly, they dont stand a snowballs chance in hell. I have no sexual desires and I'm only 42. Wish I could help more but I feel the same way you do and have no advise.
Jul 26 - 11AM (Reply to #2)
tina
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OMG

I do not understand! What is with these sick fucked up insane men! OH my god, if that is what is out there, then you are correct, any guy I meet will not stand a chance in hell! Again, what the hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not a prude or anything but urinating on him? fantasy rape? They are sick sick sick. How twisted. Again I say, if that is whats out there ladies, we are better off alone. Please do not say they doomed your future. We shall learn from this and be stronger. We can do this we can! We must believe.
Jul 26 - 2PM (Reply to #3)
finallydone
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Thanks all

Thanks everybody. Doesn't it seem like the very worst part about this whole thing is understanding it intellectually but being left with this crappy emotional baggage. Feeling like damaged goods. At least that's what it feels like to me. I don't think there's much out on the web I haven't read at this point. Everytime I click a link it's something I've seen before. And often I'll reread it because it does help for the moment. But then I have to get up and do it all over again. Nighttime seems easier to me... because then it's okay to curl up in my bedroom and it seems okay to be hiding. It's the going up and going out in the world part where my zombie feelings really kick in. Like I'm interacting with everything and everybody through some sort of foggy bubble and I'm convinced they're all incredibly happy and the "why me" starts again. And then I absolutely HATE that feeling because I start thinking, "Oh stop being such a victim. Plenty of people have it worse than you." And they do... I'm actually coming out of this in pretty good shape by all appearances. I have my job, my friends, my mom, my son and my house. I can afford to pay my bills, although it's most certainly a bit tighter now... but that's okay too. It's this feeling no joy, just dead. I took my son to see the new Harry Potter movie last night... pretty darn good. And about 6 times I caught myself not really watching and thinking, "here I am, I'm watching a movie like people do... I'm doing something." It's just insane that I can watch a movie without having to think about the fact that I'm watching a movie. Here's the good news... my mom came over today and we went over the local nursery and got a lilac bush to put in my front yard where I just had a dead tree removed and I got a little motivated and clean up my front flower beds a little bit and put in three flowers so there's a little color out there. It just looked awful... I got absolutely nothing done through the spring with this nightmare going on and just let it go to hell. My neighbors will probably be grateful that I'm not pulling their home values down. Ha Ha. Anyway, none of this is probably helping anybody except me to vent a little bit. Thanks for your comments and letting me yack.
Jul 26 - 9PM (Reply to #5)
tina
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finallydone

Hooray for you! Sounds as if you had a much better day today than you thought you might. So glad you worked in your yard with your mom, she sounds great and very supportive. Keep up the good work! I am very proud of you. Remember, one day at a time. We are all in this together. Love & hugs.
Jul 26 - 4PM (Reply to #4)
GhostBuster
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You are definitely not alone

Finallydone, you are experiencing very common PTSD reactions. I'm 7 months out and I still get them, but just not so pervasively and it doesn't knock me completely on my ass as much. Yes, the deviant sex stuff make me too wonder if i'll ever get desire back to be with someone. Time will only tell. Just be good to yourself and don't think too much about future relationships. Get yourself back. I just finished reading People of the Lie by M. Scott Peck. He's a psychiatrist who draws the parallel between narcissism and evil. It was published in 1983, so it's been around awhile. I found it really helpful and it fortified my pact with myself to stay away from these evil beings now and in the future.