OCPD & Hoarding

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#1 Aug 23 - 8PM
anonymous
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OCPD & Hoarding

The ex P/N mentioned several times in our relationship that he was OCD, a packrat and a hoarder. When we were together, his house was neat, for the most part. Except, one little red flad went off when his bathroom sink started to drain slowly and he didn't fix it. It got to the point, over the course of about two months, where it almost would not drain at all and got pretty gross. And his kitchen was gnarly and often smelled rank, like garbage full of ground coffee that sat around too long. When we first started going together, his house was neat but there was a huge, and I mean huge, pile of dirty clothes on top of the washing machine like they were waiting to be washed. And he wears almost all black, all of the time, and is an obsessive shopper so there were probably 10 loads worth of clothes piled up on that machine. It caught my eye and struck me as odd but since he worked on the road for 18 months, I just figured that he had let his laundry slip a bit. His house, BTW, is a beautiful antique craftsman lodge designed by a famous architect. Anyway, he declared proudly to me that he finally got all of his clothes washed and put away and that I was a good influence on him (I border on being an OCD neat-freak). A mutual friend of ours asked me at one point during our relationship how I liked visiting the P/N's cave and I looked at him funny. He said something to the effect of, "how can you walk through all of the piles of crap?" And I was like, what do you mean - his house is beautiful and always very neat when I'm there. And my friend said, "Wow, he must really be into you because normally he's beyond just a normal guy-slob." So that was another oddity. Then P/N tells me one day that I'm a great influence and it's a good thing that I came to the house so often because it forced him to take out the trash. He said usually he lets the trash and crap pile up for, get this, THREE months and then he makes a day-long visit to the dump to get rid of it all. Goes to show you how hypnotized I was - normally that kind of thing would totally gross me out but I was like, "oh, he so cute and quirky" (barf).

After the D&D, he went out an bought another expensive guitar. Number 14 (and when I say expensive, all of his guitars are antique and priced over $5,000 each). He said that he buys himself expensive guitars when relationships come to an end. And he bought himself an expensive phone as a "distraction" from the "pain of our break-up". During our relationship, he send me an e-mail and said that he has an obsession with chairs. He counted and he has over 50 chairs in his house and he wrote, "that's a lot of chairs for one butt." And when our relationship really ended and he was depressed, our friend went to his house and said that it was a disaster. He said he could barely walk through the rooms because there was so much crap piled up. This was four months after he dumped me.

The reason I'm writing is because I saw a show last night on TLC called "Buried Alive" and it was about people with Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder with hoarding and I was shocked. There was a lady with a house that was so disgustingly bad and they showed a shot of her sink all clogged up and I started to cry because it looks JUST LIKE HIS SINK. And I was so, so sad for him. And wonder if maybe he broke up with me because he couldn't keep up the facade. He mirrored me and couldn't handle it and didn't want me to find out what he really was. So he D&Dd me but tried to hold onto me by manipulating me into promising to be in this life forever. Our friend told me that he told him that he couldn't hold it all together for me - that it was burning him out to be normal and a nice guy all the time. He told our friend that he really tried, that I made him happy but that he just couldn't be the kind of guy I deserved. And my friend thinks that's why he broke up with me. My friend thinks that I would have not been able to handle the slobbishness and hoarding (and he's right), the selfishness and self-centeredness and that I would have eventually realized that I couldn't be happy with him and P/N knew it. So he struck pre-emptively and D&Dd me out of the blue when I still loved him in the hopes that I would set my feelings aside and be his best friend. My friend thinks that he was shocked when I said no, that I wasn't interested in his crumbs because he fully expected me to stick around and become a martyr.

But I was also glad to see that show, because it finally dawned on me that it truly was not about me. He even said it wasn't. He said I did nothing wrong and nothing to push him away. And now I see that there is nothing I could have ever done because I was just a side effect. This man is truly sick. And the labels that he gave to himself - bi-polar, OCD, addicted are all true. And those problems, each one a serious mental health issue to overcome, instead blend into this disgusting soup called narcissistic psychopathy. For which he won't get help. I truly believe that the psychopathic narcissism in him is less about being predatory (although there is an element of that) and more about having a hard, hard impenetrable shell to protect himself from seeing the truly disordered horror that is his life. This is so sad for me to write. Because I still love him. I feel sorry for him. I wish I could have helped him. =(

How could I, a successful, neat, organized, healthy woman, have thought that a bi-polar, obsessive, compulsive, hoarding, addicted, psychotic narcissist was my soulmate? Just goes to show how powerful are his methods of hypnosis and also how adversely impacted I was by having a disordered mother who never taught me the coping mechanisms to see through him. I was so fascinated and now I see why. I thought it was love but now I see that it was like being fascinated by a freak show. That's cruel, I know but, DAMMIT! WTF?!?

Aug 24 - 11AM
janine
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Anxiety

I once asked my ex, when he was depressed, whether I was correct in assuming that his basic feeling in life was anxiety bordering on panic. Without thinking he agreed. So over 11 years I figured out, that hoarding stuff (in dozens of boxes you could not even get at)and money as well as any new project were used to ward off that fear and keep some balance. If there is a bottomless hole gaping inside of you, it never works for long. I agree with almostlydia and morty that they love you all they can. Only they have so very little to give. I've been thinking, would the ones neglected and abused as kids turn into anxious N's, while the spoilt ones turn out to be simply greedy? Just guessing.
Aug 24 - 8PM (Reply to #8)
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Neglected and Indulged

Janine - in the case of the P/N in my life, I think he suffered a double whammy. His Dad neglected him. I don't think he paid him an iota of attention when he was a little child and not much more when he became an adult. He spent every weekend at his grandparents house while his mom worked unil he was 12 because his dad "wasn't the babysitting type". P/N's favorite song that reminds him of his Dad is "Many Miles Away" by the Police. His Dad was grandiose and bought expensive things that the family couldn't afford. He bought a boat that sat in the garage and he never even used it. P/N told me once that he used to wish that his Dad would take him on the boat, just the two of them, but he never did. Not only was his Dad neglectful, his Mom was indulgent and gave him everything he wanted. She treated him like her Man rather than her husband. The Oedipal Complex was never broken. And I'm sure he has an abiding deep down guilt for replacing his Dad in his Mom's eyes. His Dad all but committed suicide when his Mom left him once P/N left for college. So I'm sure P/N has a huge amount of guilt associated with that as well. P/N's excuse for D&Ding me was that he loved me but he was breaking it off for my daughter's sake. Because he didn't want to share me with my daughter and he couldn't deal with the guilt of having those feelings. And I'm sure that guilt was exacerbated by unresolved guilt over his Oedipal conflict. The fact that I am a mother brought out feelings he just couldn't handle. He even admitted that. All of that would have been understandable and far easier for me to overcome had he not completely Mind-F'd me after the D&D. If he had simply said that he couldn't handle the fact that I was a mother and left it at that, I would have had a far easier time of this and would have never gone so far as to diagnose him as an N. But so many other things happened that it was impossible to not diagnose him with NPD as well as ASPD. P/N said that not only is he bi-polar, he's also chronically depressed and he likes it that way because it's an excuse to always be introspective.
Aug 25 - 8AM (Reply to #9)
Lim
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Oedipal Complex

OMG, I am learning so much from this site. My exN was extremely close to his mother. She admitted to having four affairs...most likely because she wasn't getting what she needed from her NH. My exN couldn't do anything to suit his N dad. Thus, I believe Oedipal Complex was definitely at play. Unfortunately, his dad eventually developed dementia and as a result of that and the meds he was taking, he killed his wife (exN's mother) and later died in prison. So exN had about fifty strikes against him to begin with. We talked extensively about his N behaviors. He admitted to not having any empathy toward certain things/situations/people...it's either black and white. No gray. He said he was raised to not show any emotion. But, he said he hates hurting people and knows that he does it. Just doesn't have an explanation as to why he continues. I'm just curious. He's had three affairs and his wife knows about every single one of them--all of the details--right down to him admitting that these infedelities occurred in their bed. Why she stays is beyond me, but why does he stay if she doesn't meet his needs? He also admitted that his biggest fear was being alone so if he actually left her, he would have to have someone lined up to be with. Anyway, just thinking out loud. This stuff just amazes me.
Aug 23 - 9PM
Bodhi
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First of all, there's a

First of all, there's a difference between OCD and OCPD. OCD is an anxiety disorder and its quite sad... People with OCD are in fact in their right mind and know their obsessions are "crazy thoughts". Other anxiety disorders included PTSD, Panic Disorder, Social Phobia, etc... Although its possible for a narcissist to also have OCD they do not go hand in hand. I found your post a little upsetting, especially because Lisa has been so honest on this board with her own struggles with OCD.
Aug 24 - 5AM (Reply to #6)
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Thanks Bodi

Thanks Bodhi. I think I knew the difference but didn't articulate it well. And I hope I didn't offend anyone. If I did, I'm sorry. I myself feel like I border on OCD sometimes - I have to have everything super neat and I know that this gets in my way of being able to relax sometimes. And I've wondered if that was part of the draw for him to me? The reason for my post was to explain that seeing that program made me realize that the N's behavior toward me wasn't about me at all. It was not to pass judgment.
Aug 23 - 9PM
almostlydia
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When I was walking my dog

When I was walking my dog tonight, when I do a lot of my thinking, (and talking to God) I remembered an earlier post Betty put up that answered the million dollar question of 'did they ever really love us'. The million dollar answer was that they loved us in the best way they were able. Be grateful that yours could not keep up the facade. Most of them can and do and the next thing you know, ten years, twenty years.... As a side note, mine bought cars. Whenever he started talking about another car, I got the very strong impression he was trying to distract himself with something so important to him that he could put all the other stuff aside (games of pursuit) for a moment. It seems to be a fairly consistent trait, the collecting things and the pursuits. almostlydia

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Aug 24 - 5AM (Reply to #2)
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In the Best Way They Were Able

Almost Lydia - I like to think that too. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that he was telling the truth when he said he loved me but that he just doesn't know how.
Aug 24 - 1PM (Reply to #3)
almostlydia
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I don't know how to go back

I don't know how to go back and find these articles that have been posted weeks or months in the past unless someone comments on it and it moves to the front of the message board list, but this one that Betty posted would be a good one for you to read. almostlydia

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Aug 24 - 8PM (Reply to #4)
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Almostlydia

Do you remember was the title was or what it was about? I could do a search for it. Thanks AL.