why do we stay

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#1 Aug 7 - 11AM
betty2020
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why do we stay

Why do we stay?

So many people ask us this question why did you stay so long
The first time that he hurt you didn't you realize then the love was gone
Well let me try to paint you a picture of what our life was like living in that hell
And maybe you will understand what it was really like coping in that prison cell

First take with me a little trip to a town somewhere in a far and distant place
And let me point out to you a lady full of innocence and a smile upon her face
Now watch as a man approaches her and tells her he can make all her dreams come true
And listen as he tells her come with me I promise I will always take good care of you

Lets follow her to his world where he first showers her with promises and love
Lets watch as she realizes this man must be an angel that was sent from up above
Now lets watch him really carefully as she makes a little everyday mistake
Can you hear him say you are so stupid as the tears fall down her face

Watch now how he takes her in his arms and tells her don't cry its all okay
Listen as he tells her please don't let it bother you I love you anyway
But wait lets not leave quite yet there are still lots of things left to see
Lets watch as he slowly takes her pride from her then her confidence and dignity

Lets watch as she turns from the mirror and ask Do you think Im pretty tonight
Listen as he answers your pretty to me and that's all that really matters right
Lets move ahead to a year or two now and see what's happening at their place
Do you see her ? There she is laying on the floor with bruises on her face

Do you see her laying there bruised bleeding and crying begging for her life
While he stands above her yelling you are so lucky I took you for my wife
No one else would have you and put up with the stupid things you do and say
Do you realize now without me your nothing and I will never let you get away

Please don't leave yet there is just a few more things I want you to see and hear
Look carefully at her face now see its blankness and sad eyes and look at that empty stare
Can you see how he has taken her very soul away and he did it so gradually day after day
He has left nothing now but a empty shell with no thoughts of her own and no will to run away

Can you understand a little better now what happen to her and why she chose to stay
Did you see how her got her to believe without him she would never find her way
Lets leave now because she's about to come to her crossroad where she decides which road to choose
And no matter what her choice is I hope you understand a little better since you've walked in her shoes

Kath © 2002

Aug 9 - 10PM
loveofmylife
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This one made me cry

Betty, this one made me cry; it reminded me of some things betteroff said that I wasn't picking up on at first. "Did you see how her got her to believe without him she would never find her way" N told me over and over again, that he didn't believe I had the experience or skills to take his job as COO that the owner offered me, but that he was there to "help me". After he betrayed me and I told him I needed him to be gone...he told me "it is your fiduciary responsibility to do what is right for the company and if you are choosing your feelings over what is right for this company, then I will inform all of the investors why you have asked me to go" Well, first of all, this is quite egotistical. He was assuming I was not qualified to run a company, when the owner of the company thought I was qualified and I'm probably more qualifiied than millions of other business owners in the US But somehow he convinced me that he was right. And pointed out my flaws to me. And told me that my direct reports believed I had those same flaws.... And he threatened me and forced me to make him stay for another 1 year, and all the while continued the push/pull game and the rollercoaster and the emotional abuse the whole time. Well fast forward 4 months later...he is gone now, and the business has advanced significantly since he left. The owner is thrilled.
Aug 9 - 11PM (Reply to #16)
betty2020
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Im so proud of you LOML...I

Im so proud of you LOML...I know you have been through so much. You managed to thrive in the workplace as well. What an achievement! Your so awesome...xoxoxo only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Aug 9 - 11PM (Reply to #17)
loveofmylife
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Thanks Betty

I really needed to hear that from someone who had nothing financial to gain from telling me that!
Aug 9 - 11PM (Reply to #18)
betty2020
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You Rock girl!!! you should

You Rock girl!!! you should be very proud of yourself to weather the storm and come out standing tall. I really think you have made so much progress in all areas professionally and in recovery. You are a true testament and im so happy you have stayed with us......xoxoxo only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

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Aug 9 - 11PM (Reply to #19)
loveofmylife
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Me too

Me too. This forum has been a godsend! And I am so glad you are moderating!
Aug 8 - 8PM
faithinthefuture
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Why do we stay

Betty I was never physically abused by my XN but this broke my heart...it described my mom and her marriage to my dad.
Aug 7 - 4PM
betty2020
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The thng we must understand

The thng we must understand is that it doesnt take an act of physical violence to create the sceen u are reading above. The damage caused by psycholgical torture can be just as destructive if not more so. Physical bruises heal within a week but bruises of the mind heart and soul can take decades to recover from. only one way to go...Forward (tm?). On my phone. Sry 4 typos. Luv u

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Aug 9 - 11AM (Reply to #12)
tigger73
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I was physically abused my

I was physically abused my my exhn and I would take physical abuse over mental abuse any day of the week. Hands down. I am stable but I really don't think I will ever be whole again. I stayed way too long. And I always said I would leave if he cheated, well, I finally found out and I left. My therapist said she wasn't even concerned with the cheating aspect, but rather all the abuse before that incident. The other night my kids and I were walking home from a concert here in our small town. It was very dark, and there were shadows in front of us of like people walking way behind us. Well, my 8 yr old was scared and said "mom what if someone attacks us", and it hit me. I AM AFRAID OF NOTHING ANYMORE. I have no fear of running into something or someone that is threatening, because I lived with the devil for 10 years. Isn't that almost sick? Last week I was at Walmart and this creepy guy kept following me from isle to isle and smiling creepy and I finally walked up to him and told him to knock it off, he was being creepy, and that I didnt know him and he didnt know me so leave me the hell alone. I wasnt scared in the slightest bit. And I also told him to get the hell our of my way, he was looking at the fruit snacks, I needed to uy snacks for my 3 kids....he was a predator and it pissed me off so bad. Nope, I am afraid of nothing and noone. my ex is 6'4 and 235 lbs. I have no fear anymore. I guess there is a big part of me that is now hardened. Sad.
Aug 9 - 11AM (Reply to #13)
Used
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tigger73

i too, psychical and mental abused, which apparently i asked for cos i wouldnt shut up, or submit, so when met the narc he said what are you afraid of i said NOTHING, i had lived with the devil and survived[love that song], so been there, done that, got the tee shirt, but i had only just met him[mr charm personified] so didnt know he was thinking we will see about that, well he too tried his best to break me, thought he was such a player, my exh made him look like a babe in arm,s, and i had learned well from exh, so knew the pitfulls. thank god.i wont stand any crap from anyone now, and yes it has made me hard, but what is the alternative, my narc mother was always trying to toughen me up. she would be proud of me, if i would have anything to do with her. i dont.
Aug 8 - 8PM (Reply to #8)
gigi9
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While in no way do I believe

While in no way do I believe physical abuse is "better" than the emotional kind, nor do I condone physical or emotional abuse in any way/shape/form...I do believe that physical is easier to prove than this mindfu****g I have been through. To the point that I did one time in marital therapy say to my exN husband "I wish you would just punch me in the face because then I would at least know what was happening." To which he responded in his ever so famous gaslighting way, while looking at the marital therapist, "See she wants me to abuse her." To which the mariatl therapist so spot on said "Were you not listening to her? That is not what she was saying." Punch me in the face any day of the week...at least I would know what was hitting me...punch me in my soul and then say that I am the abusive one (projection)...leaving me blindsided and confused on a regular basis and leaving those around me saying "He is such a nice guy I would have never guessed him to be how you describe him!" Give me a bruise to show the world what a worthless piece of sh*t you are! Instead I am left trying to prove to those that continue to place him on a pedestal that he is a worthless piece of sh*t!!!
Aug 8 - 9PM (Reply to #9)
betty2020
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Gigi you say it so

Gigi you say it so perfectly. You cant prove he is that piece of shit and this is one of the biggest issues that i have been unable to let go of. "hes such a nice guy", if i had a nickle for every time i heard that shit. No one knew him except me. Absolutely no one. I was the privileged one to experience all he was about. Its a constant struggle for me everyday. It was a struggle when i was with him and still now. If i would have gotten that bruise i could have proved it all..... ps. I dont condone physical abuse in anyway shape or form either. I hope no one took that in that context. Just setting it straight for the record...xoxoox only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

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Aug 8 - 11PM (Reply to #10)
broken23
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gigi and betty i was

gigi and betty i was physically hit, and i agree, my head hurt for a day but then i was ok. also there was no question i had to walk. there was a big bruise on my head and when the police officer who knew me because i was a court volunteer said get out or youre going to die one day, i took it seriously. the emotional abuse is crazy making. you dont know if youre crazy or hes crazy. and if youre crazy why does everyone else think hes great. i agree it is exhausting and robs your soul of any kind of peace or sanity. So i completely agree, there is no hard evidence to say to the world he sucks. there is no validation. only we know what we know because we lived it.
Aug 9 - 11AM (Reply to #11)
Janet
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So true Broken. N got

So true Broken. N got physically abusive 5 times over the 4 years, each time I justified it due to: "I was out of control and he had no choice"; "He was so out of it (due to drugs) and didn't know what he was doing"... What I couldn't see, and have to admit still have trouble always believing, is that he was shelling out lots of ambient abuse. Subtle abuse. I was the one raging and yelling awful things at him --- trying to get some reaction or to hurt him back as much as he hurt me. I did not like the person I became with him -- very volatile and easily set off. When you are being lied to and treated with very little respect, even if on the surface you cannot put it in words, it all adds up. The "walking on eggshells" effect. It takes a lot to recover from. Peace. J

Peace. J

Aug 8 - 7PM (Reply to #6)
Susan32
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Taking decades to recover

Thanks for your compassion, Betty. That's what I've NEEDED to hear. While I'm still thankful that I never had sex with the ex-P (it certainly wouldn't have been lovemaking), there are still scars on my heart&soul. It only lasted 4 years. Tho it happened a decade ago, there are still scars. Thank you for acknowledging that it takes time to heal.
Aug 8 - 8PM (Reply to #7)
betty2020
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Thanks Susan, Its

Thanks Susan, Yes the scars last for a long time. Its unfortunate that society refuses to see the damage that is done to individuals and family's through psychological abuse. There is much support today for victims of physical abuse but very little if any acknowledgment for those suffering with mental trauma from an abuser. This is why we cant talk to our friends about what were going through. It is not accepted yet. If they could only walk a mile in our shoes. There was a time that i remember not so long ago that i was asking my exN to hit me. I actually said.."Just fucking hit me!" I wanted the bruise to prove the pain inflicted was real and not made up in my mind. But this is why psychological abuse is so insidious. They would never give you the pleasure of validating their attacks on you. In stead they leave you wondering if the abuse actually took place or if it is just a figment of your imagination. Of course they will always deny deny deny with some ridiculous excuse for why you are in a state of mental shambles and Of course it has absolutely nothing to do with THEM! This lack of validation from the world and from the Narcissist himself leaves us questioning ourselves. Thinking that maybe it is us, maybe we just wasnt good enough, or maybe we have a certain trait or bad habit that we should have fixed, or maybe we were smart, pretty, or intelligent enough. Maybe we should have gotten that GED or Masters degree. And the list goes on. None of which is true. Now we are completely broken. Our self esteem shattered. We then become more clingy to the Narc. Trying to make it right so we can rebuild that self esteem we lost. We are driven by fear. Fear of loss, fear of rejection, fear of him. We continue to grab on even harder knowing that inside there is something deeply disturbing going on with us. Then it happens. Hes gone. Were left standing there with that blank empty stare. Broken and emotionally bankrupt. No one to hear our cry's. No one to understand. We cant go to the hospital and get a cast to fix it. Hell we cant even explain, make any sense of it or talk about it let alone fix it! What now? Where do we go from here? This is why psychological abuse is the worst abuse one could endure. You cant validate or prove something that you can not see on outward appearances. This is what our society requires to make a case. And We can give it to them so therefore it does not exist. We all want this acknowledgment, we deserve our day in court. Unfortunately that day is not here for us yet. But its coming. Its coming because of you and everyone here. One day we will have our day in court.....xoxoxo. only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

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Aug 7 - 3PM
janine
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Is this a narcissist or psychopath?

Reading this has both shocked and confused me. I had thought that only psychopaths were that agressive, and I have not experienced that sort of agression in a relationship that had lasted over 10 years. So was this because I refused to live with him, generally kept some distance and he knew, I'd have walked out had he dared act that like this? At least I understand now why many here are so extremely hurt and angry and upset. I am sorry, if it is a stupid question, but are the men described above actual psychopaths or are there just different varieties of narcissists?
Aug 7 - 5PM (Reply to #4)
Goldie
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I'll take a crack at this one for you

Hi Janine, There are no stupid questions, so don't even go there. Antisocial/psychopaths may hit, rape, harm random people, though that is far more rare, think Ted Bundy. Domestic violence is domestic violence. The batterers syndrome. Anyone can have that syndrome be it, alcoholics, narcs, sociopaths, or none of the above. Plus there are varying degrees of disfunction and or violence or lack of to all of these disorders. Different degrees on the spectum if you will. Sometimes there are social, environmental, educational background, and economic factors as well. There is a baseline, a spectum, and depending on what other disorders they may have, things play out differently. The bottom line is that for the garden variety Narc, it is all about them and they lack genuine empathy and if that is their primary modus operandi, you have a narc on your hands. Some have been known to only abuse certain people, those who they can "get away with it" or they may abuse all of them, though most test the waters before they hit you to see what you will take. My X abused me, we lived together. He did not abuse two of his prior gf's in that way according to them. Don't know about the other one's. One of them he lived with her parents so he may have been able to control himself and it was 10 years ago so he was younger and possbily not as angry, plus she told me she would have beaten him to a pulp if he touched her. The other one was not a live in so the stress levels are not as high with non living together arrangements in some cases, once again not all. Some are abusive on dates, some do it frequently some less often. I called the police just about everytime he hit me, so it was not like I was taking it, he kept coming back. Why this way with me and not all the other's, don't know for sure. There are no absolutes with this, it is usually a learned behavior and a stress reliever and a major form of control. Hope this answers your question and did not confuse you more. As you read up on these things on here and other places you will begin to see that they are all the same in many respects yet different in some. There are plenty of people on here who were not hit or left when that began as well as many who were. Mine was a N/P addict so I had my hands full with that one. He only lasted a little over 7 months and it was 7 months of sheer hell. Some of them even seem to maintain a sweet front for much longer, not my bad boy, he was pure rage and it was also all about him, him, and more him. Some of our stories and opinions are definitely more extreme, yet the way they make you feel seems to be similar. The great times, the crappy times, and the realization that they are not really who they pretend to be. This is one person's opinion and you will get many. Anymore questions, just ask. God bless, Goldie
Aug 7 - 1PM
Goldie
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Oh Betty, I was sobbing for that girl

while reading this and then I realized that she was me. That is exactly how it happens. Feels good to cry for me and you for a change, cleansing tears of healing. I don't want to cry for them anymore, ever again. I want to cry for me and the children. Ty for sharing this, very powerful stuff. God bless, Goldie
Aug 7 - 12PM
Used
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clarity

you could have been describing my marriage, do i look nice in this dress, well you do to me and how lucky i was to have him,b/c noone else would put up with me, and yes he was violent to me, and yes i had those blank eyes and biegn almost catatonic, but i did get out after 31 years. best thing i ever done, 2nd best thing finding this board, thanks lisa and membersxx