Gaslighting

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#1 Aug 3 - 6PM
RandomGal
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Gaslighting

I learnt something new today.....

Gaslighting

'This term comes from the movie of the same name, in which one character uses a variety of insidious techniques to make another character doubt her perceptions, her memory, and her very sanity. An abuser who does this may continually deny that certain events occurred ot that he said something you both knew was said, or by insinuating that you are exaggerating or lying. In this way the abuser may be trying to gain control over you or to aviod responibility for his own actions'

I cannot count the ammount of times my psychopathic ex husband did this to me. One time he pushed me over and then claimed it was self defense as I had just punched him, he even said I gave him a hell of a whack. He was so convincing I doubted myself then believed him!! I'm 5 feet 4 and he is 6 feet 6!! It wasn't until after I had left him I knew he was lying. Today I gave it a name and recovered some more....

Now that's progress.... I hope this helps someone X

P.S Must rent the movie.

Aug 4 - 8AM
helldweller
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Gaslighting

Oh, my gosh. Watching it and KNOWING what was going to happen . . . Watching the woman falling in love, trusting, trying to love again after her horrible experience--and KNOWING what was going to happen. This is something I totally forget about with the narc. My life was a nightmare and he knew it! If you all recall, my ex husband turned out to be a bipolar alcoholic. He was an accomplished author and firefighter and ended up setting a fire at our church, losing his job and going to prison. We lost everything, and I still have to figure out how and when to tell the children about it. The narc knew all of this; he knew I was devastated, vulnerable, broken, and that I didn't think anyone would ever want me with this unbelieveable baggage. It would never occur to him to feel sorry for the girls and me, to be tender or gentle, to have pity or mercy. No, he USED IT AGAINST ME and would make cracks about how my husband was as crazy as me or as dramatic as me and say, "How can you expect anyone to take you seriously? You married an arsonist." And he'd just laugh and laugh. And he and my ex husband LIKED each other. He totally respected my ex, and talked to him outside for hours about politics and things, but he would just conveniently call my ex a psycho when he needed something to use against me. Whatever worked.
Aug 4 - 2PM (Reply to #16)
Susan32
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Using our kindness and gentleness against us

My ex-Psychopath professor was the same way. If I showed him normal human kindness/sympathy, he'd sarcastically say "You're doing it for you, not for me." While a Narc might use his family issues to get sympathy (and not be sympathetic about yours), my ex-Psych would be incredibly cruel if his family issues led to me giving sympathy. My ex-Psych thought that kindness, compassion, mercy, were things deserving of punishment. He treated me as if I HAD to be punished for being nice to him. During the D&D, he raged, "Why do you like me?" I named positive qualities--then he said I was projecting my good qualities onto him (can someone here EXPLAIN that one--perhaps he was right) He told me about how he spent time in mental hospitals as a child because he was emotionless (he may or may not have been adopted, because he looks NOTHING like his famous father) When I told him I had spent time in hospitals due to physical ailments... he of course used it against me. He was paranoid about losing his marbles;he was always afraid that he'd go insane. He was paranoid that I'd tell other people about his stay in the mental institution (at the time, I didn't) Now that I'm no longer his student, no longer in the Southwest, I no longer feel obligated to keep his little secret. He was untrustworthy. He stabbed me in the back all 4 years. Why not tell his secret now?
Aug 3 - 9PM
Kelly
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Gaslight

Yep! Freaked me out! Some of the facial expressions he makes exactly reminded me of some of the looks I spotted on my last ex N! I was so scared when he looked at me that way and all I did was shut my eyes and pretend it wasn't happening. . . lalalala
Aug 3 - 6PM
GIJ
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I watched it over the weekend

It was on PBS. Chilling and hard for me to watch. But easier than the actual experience! Knowing what it is, how it is used and what it accomplishes is important on so many levels. Without external validation as an anchor, many suffer. Knowing how to hang on to truth is critical and difficult - but knowledge is the first step. Getting help is next. Thanks for the topic.
Aug 3 - 9PM (Reply to #13)
hitandrun
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Anyone involved with

a narc/spath disordered personality should watch the movie. It is fascinating and(unfortunately) close to home. If you've ever been conned...and many of these freaks are con-men, I would suggest Portrait of a Lady with Nicole Kidman. Another look into the depravity of certain individuals. These stories must have had something to spark their creation.
Aug 3 - 6PM (Reply to #11)
GIJ
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Another chilling thought

I had during the movie.....someone actual wrote this screenplay! I wondered...did they have this experience, read about it somewhere??? Where did they get this idea for a movie?? It solidified for me that these disorders have been around, most likely, since the beginning of time. And they are going to stay around too. Pretty sobering thought. Today, we have the benefit of info and the internet to disseminate information...something the character in the movie didn't have..or previous generations either. I think that gives us the best hope of breaking free from them.
Aug 4 - 7AM (Reply to #12)
BlueMoon
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Back then

I agree! When I saw this movie I was amazed at how spot-on it was- so much so that the term "to gaslight" is used in the therapeutic profession, I believe. The actors - capturing the nuances perfectly. That's pretty amazing for a time when the science of mental health was in its infancy.
Aug 3 - 6PM
Klarity Belle
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Gaslighting info

PD's are really good at it, especially the cluster B's. Here is a link to some useful info on the PD trait of gaslighting:- http://www.outofthefog.net/Movies/Gaslighting.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran "That which we do not confront in ourselves we meet as fate" ~ Carl Jung http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4

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"The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran

"That which we do not confront in ourselves we meet as fate" ~ Carl Jung

http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4

Aug 3 - 6PM (Reply to #9)
betty2020
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Excellent article, I

Excellent article, I especially like the DOs and Donts. I wonder if we need a separate post for those..... only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Aug 3 - 6PM
betty2020
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This is their trademark.

This is their trademark. How wickedly scary to think that a person can manipulate another using theses tactics. This is how they get us. Thank you for this. Im glad you see everything today and it is so obvious that you have made tremendous progress. xoxox only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Aug 3 - 7PM (Reply to #2)
gigi9
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There is a book entitled "Gaslighting".....

....and I bought it, was reading it in bed (still married) when he asked me what I was reading. I had felt finally validated and understood by this book and then finally knew what the hell to call his type of insidious and confusing abuse. I told him what I was reading and he filed for divorce.....the next day! My favorite gaslighting story that I tell is when I was walking down the hall, heard something fall over, watched as my dog jumped into another room and as my exN jumped into the other room. I went to figure out what had fallen over, found my exN cowering in the other room, asked him what that noise was and he said to me "See even (name of dog) is afraid of you. You were stomping down the hall." Insinuating that I was mad about something and making waves as I walked down the hall. Which was not at all the case. When I advised him that something fell and that is when the dog jumped into the other room....it of course fell on deaf ears. He also constantly called me abusive as he was abusing the hell out of me, told me numerous times that he was "afraid" of me. This coming from a man who was controlling, manipulative, judgemental, pushed me twice, punched the bathroom door, put a hole in the bathroom wall, threw a gift I gave to him smashing it and his cell into pieces as he careened both into a wall after I found out he slept with another and lied to me about it after having just slept with me thus exposing me to a potential disease...I could go on and on..... And what was I doing...trying to understand what the hell was going on, defending myself and trying to love and care for an impossible man. Did I make mistakes? Of course. No one is perfect. The difference between exN and myself? I owned up to those mistakes and was genuinley remorseful and apologetic. He never owned or admitted to all the transgressions against me. And guess what to this day he would still claim to be the biggest transgression I did against him? I tapped into his email when I was suspicious of his events, found out that he was talking with the ex-girlfriend just before me about our marriage (triangulating)and telling her how awful I was while telling me a mixed bag of messages about our marriage/about me (sometimes he loved me, sometimes he didn't). I lied about how I found out about this email exchange between the two and before he realized I lied, he was "remorseful" and said that he should not have been talking to her about us and that he wanted to make our family work. After he found out the truth about how I discovered that email...I became the horrible shrew who lied to him and the fact that he had been having an emotional affair/triangulation with the ex then paled in comparison to the one lie that I told. He never let me live thatdown for even one day...NEVER...and the punishment he bestowed upon me after that never fit the crime. If I could line up all the ways that he has been hurtful to me it would reach the moon while my transgressions would reach the top of a tree. And guess what? This lovely man is a marital counselor. And I contacted that ex girlfriend via email, told her my side of the story and she kindly responded, told me that she had the EXACT experience of him and thanked me for contacting her and validating her because she too felt crazy. I know now that he has new NS and I feel sorry for her. Time will reveal him to her. I know he has new NS because he does not go past 3 weeks without tracking me down and I have been NC for 48 days:). I know him well though and know that he has tracked down almost every ex in his life. He use to constantly talk about his ex's and then expected that this should not upset me. So I know that he will do the same someday to me, especially when his new supply no longer meets his needs. And what will I do? IGNORE! Just like he did to me soooooooooo many countless times. F**K this piece of sh*t looser. I was recently feeling sad and idealizing him again....but I am back!
Aug 4 - 11AM (Reply to #4)
NoNarcingZone
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Gaslight - Let the games begin!

How coincidental (Oh yea, they're Ns...so really NOT!) But your N immediately filed for divorce upon discovering he was FOUND OUT. Proof that they know. My N did the exact same thing! He'd left us (abandonment) & kept returning to the house. I left printouts & notes of my ongoing research of his behavior. One day he took the notes. The next day I was informed by his command that he'd filed for separation (this was the 3rd time in 1 yr of marriage). I let out a celebratory, "FINALLY!!!" He'd always use divorce as a threat (NOTE: I'm a hardass & was never phased. Go ahead. I always do better by myself anyhow!) Besides, he was interfering w/my child-rearing - which is #1 priority in my life. They know exactly WHAT they are & the things they do. That's why they flee or force you to flee. The reality of it all is too destructive for them. We (normals) can accept that we have character flaws & work toward correcting them. They're SO perfect (far from it) in their own minds, but they also know they're damaged/flawed - that's where the projection comes into play. Rejection is their next course of action when they've been found out. They're SO predictable pass this point. Sucks to be them! LOL

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Aug 4 - 11AM (Reply to #5)
betty2020
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So very true. The second

So very true. The second they see any indication that you are researching them and their behavior they are on alert. This is the beginning of the end. When mine found a set of books i had stashed in the garage on Narcissism he blew a gasket. It was a very short time after this it was over. They know exactly what they are doing. xoxo only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Aug 4 - 2PM (Reply to #6)
Happy1
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I've told my N that he's a

I've told my N that he's a narcissist many times now. I would have thought he would have done the same thing.
Aug 4 - 4PM (Reply to #7)
Susan32
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He was kind of aware

My ex-Psychopath professor KNEW at some level he had problems. So much so his poor parents had to institutionalize him. He'd accuse me of being a narcissist if I stood up for myself, then said that he ADMIRED narcissists because they stood up for themselves. His chilling lack of emotions scared his students... and his colleagues. Instead of combatting his inner demons, he gave in to them. I've never seen anyone decline physically so much in the brief space of 4 years. When I first met my ex-P,he was slim, trim, tanned and handsome. By the time of the D&D, he had obvious paunch, a double chin, jowls... and his teeth were always bad, as if he had NEVER seen a dentist (they looked like smoker's teeth) He was so hellbent on destroying himself, and other people with him.
Aug 3 - 9PM (Reply to #3)
almostlydia
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Stay strong! There are

Stay strong! There are moments of remiss that fade as soon as the 'real' memories surface. I think this is interesting that after some point the cognitive dissonance seems to wear off and all the 'real' stuff is right there in reach - unlike the past when only the gushy lovey stuff tortured me. I wonder why that is after a certain point or if that is true for everyone at this stage? 'F**k this piece of sh*t looser'. Sounds so familiar...

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