RED FLAGS

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#1 Jun 29 - 2PM
thisisnotfun
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RED FLAGS

I saw many red flags with my exN/P... Thought he was odd, didn't seem to like anything or anybody. I even asked him if he was depressed??? He had a horrible childhood, horrible marriages and every women he ever dated was full of drama, was out for his money or wasn't right for him. HUGE RED FLAG... I thought, boy, this guy has never been loved.... From the get go, he was hateful, said awful things to me, had no emotions, was stange, didn't like itimacy of any kind, needed much attention, wanted all of my attention, trashed my kids, family and friends..... So many RED FlAGS.... He still emails me and tells me how messed up I am, I blew it with him, he has changed but I will never see that, as he is much to good for me, no man will ever want me, he swears, belittles me and tries to continue with the roller coaster ride... I don't respond... I read because I have to remind myself what he is and why I don't want to go back. So, far I haven't heard a peep out of him since I sent him an email that told him I thought he was a N/P and to leave me alone.... I also told him I had contacted people from his past and told they me of the abuse he had throw their way. I told him to never contact me again or I would expose him on every website, people at his work, his boss and company. So far, he hasn't sent me another awful email or text..... They are not human, they treat everyone the same way, they are sick, sick people....

Jun 30 - 6PM
Susan32
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Sending me to therapy... literally...

This is going to sound unbelievable. When I was in lab class my freshman year of college, my ex-P was the teacher. I was grieving the recent loss of my grandfather, and he'd say nasty things like "toughen up." He'd be very cruel in class;he couldn't stand criticism or disagreement. He started rivalry over him between a classmate and I (a tragic closure to this is that this former classmate died last year under shady circumstances) He told me that I needed to "manage my feelings." I was seeing the counselor (who was also my seminar teacher/a professor/his colleague) on a frequent basis due to his behavior. He'd make jokes about it during class that I had to go the therapist. It was crazymaking/gaslighting. Or is more like someone wounding you, then taking you to the ER??? The fact that I was going to the therapist and that he saw it as some big joke really riles me, now that I come to think about it. A sick power play in the teacher/student relationship.
Jun 29 - 5PM
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Denial

Denial was huge with me. My kids, family and friends saw all of the Red Flags and warned me. My Exhusband even told me he was bad news. I Made up excuses, covered for him and kept taking him back. Yep, denial big time. Why? I'm finding answers within myself by educating myself and never allowing this to happen to me again. When my friends, family and exH told me they were done with him, hated him and would never respect him or except him.... A lightbulb went off and I knew they were so right about him. They thought he was a "Jerk" I knew what he was. Even knowing, I still had to start to deprogram, counseling and get a grip. Rereading his emails, text messages help me each and everyday not to respond, not want him ever back in my life. I don't read them as much as I did before, but when I sometimes want him back, I realize who am I fooling. He never cared, he never loved me, treated me like an object, was abusive, hates life, hates people...... He will never grow and never change... Yes, I still need to remind myself what a sick man he is.... It takes alot of hard me work, alot of education and most of all, it takes time..... Denial is tricky and creeps back in........
Jun 30 - 9AM (Reply to #10)
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I'm still in the denial

I'm still in the denial stage and trying desperately to snap out of it. My family and friends have also told me that they are done with my N. My parents told me he is no longer welcome in their home. My friends want nothing to do with him and are tired of hearing about the crap he dishes out to me on a daily basis. No one understands why I put up with him. I'm trying SO hard to educate myself so I can break away. I am frustrated with myself beyond belief that I let him treat me the way he does. Staying and taking it is just smothering my self-esteem.
Jun 30 - 6PM (Reply to #14)
Steph
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rhiannon

i feel for you. The stage your in is so crappy. I am glad that you bought Sandra Brown's book, like GIJ said it is very helpful. It will really shed some light on the why you let him treat you that way. You are obviously trying to free yourself. It's a slow process but once you are no contact it really does get better. Honestly. Hugs and hang in there:) We're here and we understood u.
Jun 30 - 9AM (Reply to #11)
GIJ
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Rhiannon

Have you read Women Who Love Phsycopaths by Sandra Brown? She has some articles also on her site. Saferelasionshipsmagazine.com These articles can be given to your family and friends to explain your experience with PTSD and CD. I'm glad that they see him for what he is and can help to support you with no contact once they fully understand the impact he has had on you. I hope they embrace the big picture with time. If not, keep coming here and find a good therapist if you haven't already. Hang in there.
Jun 30 - 9AM (Reply to #12)
rhiannon
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No, but I just purchased it

No, but I just purchased it on Amazon. Thanks for the recommendation. My family and friends are trying to be supportive; they just don't understand. So, hopefully, this will help. I do have a therapist and she has been helpful and supportive... however, I sense that she, too, just looks at me in disbelief when I tell her my stories.
Jun 30 - 9AM (Reply to #13)
Lisa E. Scott
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Rhiannon

"I do have a therapist and she has been helpful and supportive... however, I sense that she, too, just looks at me in disbelief when I tell her my stories." That's why we're here. No one understands what it is like to try to love a narcissist unless they have been through it themselves. No one. That is why this site is here. I experienced the same thing - my friends were sick of hearing about it and could not relate. We don't need to get them to understand because we have each other. Come here to be understood. We get it and we're here for you. You're not alone. Hang in there. Big Hugs.
Jun 29 - 4PM
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Denial and Red flags

With my ex-P, I was in denial. There were LOTS of red flags. From the get-go. There was a cognitive dissonance going on--how could a professor/philosopher also be a psychopath? Yes, I was in deep denial... until the D&D. I made excuses for him, because he was a professor. Red flags: -Saying he was afraid of emotions/wishing I didn't have feelings -Admitting that his parents took him to a local mental hospital (WSH) because his emotionlessness scared them -His odd response to physical injury in the lab -Making me read the same passages, over and over and over and over and over "WITHOUT EMOTION" -His "toughen up" when my grandfather died -His own coldness towards his aunt's cancer -Not allowing me to end phone conversations with "have a nice evening/day" -Desire that I drop my friends, and his badmouthing of them -Constant critique of what I ate -Mimicking me as a way of mockery -Lying about his Wittgenstein/Augustine book, then smearing me for it -His angry "you're defending yourself" because I'd stand up for myself -The constant flattery in regards to my writing -Stonewalling me when it came to discussing philosophy--or if he had a girlfriend -Blaming me for EVERYTHING that went wrong -Rudeness towards his own colleagues
Jun 29 - 4PM
Steph
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" I told him to never

" I told him to never contact me again or I would expose him on every website, people at his work, his boss and company. So far, he hasn't sent me another awful email or text..... " Good for you!! How empowering to ignore him and then send that! Hope he knows you\re too strong now to be messed with. Hope he never bothers you again. xoxo
Jun 29 - 5PM (Reply to #6)
agnesmurphy17
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Threatening Exposure

Fear of exposure is powerful to these guys for whom image is everything. However, there is also the problem of "block the kick." Mine, ran out & told everybody that I was a drug addict (used prescription sedatives to survive as long as I did in the marriage). I was depressive (who wouldn't be trying to live with & communicate with a highly disturbed individual along the lines of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde). I was autistic (because I would refuse to engage him in a harangue & remain silent). I was a fearful person (because I was terrified of him & his rage) & deeply neurotic. Gosh! I really think NC & simply vanishing is the best defense with these guys. One can never win!
Jun 29 - 5PM (Reply to #7)
Susan32
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Powerless

That explains why my ex-P is NC with me... he can no longer control what I say about him because I'm in another state, another time zone. It's the ultimate loss of control, and that fear of exposure.... well, he'll have to live with it. My ex-P smeared me as a "danger to children" when I was in a teacher education program;I really think he's the reason I lost that, despite the fact he was flattered with being a personal reference (this was before NC) and that he told me I'd be a wonderful teacher. I was in the same city as him... and it gave him a measure of control. He fears that his students will expose him. He'd tell me "don't talk about me behind my back","don't make fun of me" and command me to tell my friends to not joke him (that didn't work,LOL) Yet his students graduate, move on... He must be living in one big paranoid nightmare.
Jun 29 - 3PM
rhiannon
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I did too...

I saw a ton of red flags with my N, right from the beginning. However, I chose to ignore them. Why, I don't know. These "flags" bothered me so much, in fact, that I made an "I wish" list at the time to keep them all straight in my head... 1)Drinking -I wish he didn’t drink as often as he does. -I wish he could stop drinking after he starts, and not get drunk every time. -I wish he didn’t get confrontational when he’s been drinking. -I wish he wouldn’t drink while driving. 2)Temper -I wish he wasn’t as angry of a person as he is. -I wish he wouldn’t fly off the handle… especially when he’s been drinking. -I wish I didn’t feel like I have to tippy-toe around him all the time. 3)Reckless Driving -I wish he wouldn’t drive so fast when I’m in the car. -I wish he didn’t try to race people on the road. -I wish he wouldn’t drink while driving. 4)Gambling -I wish he wasn’t so into gambling. 5)Porn -I wish he didn’t watch it as much as he does. 6)Money Choices -I wish he didn’t gamble so much of his money. -I wish he kept better tabs on his money. -I wish he was more responsible with things like taxes and bills. 7)Prescription Drug Use -I wish he didn’t feel like he has to take Xanax to sleep or to "zone out" when he's stressed. -I wish he had the mindset to never want to use drugs recreationally. 8)Morals -I wish he had more respect for the law. -I wish he didn’t try to cheat the companies he does business with. 9)Social Connections -I wish he didn’t have as many friends as he does that are into questionable activities. 11)Motivation -I wish he had more motivation to work. -I wish he was more career-oriented. -I wish he didn’t sleep in so late everyday. -I wish he had more motivation to keep his house clean/organized and do things that need to be done. 12)Racial Slurs -I wish he wouldn’t make racial slurs. I look back at this and wonder why the hell I even got involved with him. Of course, there were lots of good times to go along with the things I mentioned above. I must say, I'm proud of you for not responding to your exN/P, and I know what you mean by having to read to remind yourself of who they are. I've just recently started reading, so I have a lot to learn. I'm hoping that with each day, it will get easier to distance myself.
Jun 30 - 1AM (Reply to #4)
broken23
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sounds like my list!!

sounds like my list!!
Jun 29 - 4PM (Reply to #2)
GIJ
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Great list Rhiannon

I think having all of this actually written down is a wonderful idea and strong reminder. It's hard to ignore once on paper. This is also a great checklist to follow for anyone new we meet. Sandra Brown's Dangerous Men workbook leads you through a process that results in the same thing - a checklist of reminders. Thanks for sharing!
Jun 30 - 11AM (Reply to #3)
Janet
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The lists(s) are a great

The lists(s) are a great idea. I have pages of his awful behavior written down. It is such a good reminder every time those positive thoughts seep in. That xanax addiction is just a nightmare. Peace. J

Peace. J