please help...confrontation

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#1 May 13 - 8PM
malloryforest
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please help...confrontation

Just got off the phone with H. He was calling to tell me that he can't make it to the court date because he has some big work engagement the night before that will leave him out of town. He also is still conflicted about divorce.

He went on to tell me that he loves me and the kids, and can't imagine living a life without us. He needs to know it is safe for him to give up everything and move to our state and try our marriage. Needless to say, this is being said to me while he is still living with GF.

He went on to say that he agrees 85% that he is a N. but it is being an N that has allowed him to be so successful career wise.

I sat back and listened, and when he was done...i stated my honest feelings very unemotionally. I explained that I feel that now he wants back 2 days before the divorce preceedings. I told him that I feel that he has used me and her as long as he could with the law, and if the court date was another 90 days away, he would use the next 90 days to continue this abuse. I told him that for the last year, all he has thought about was himself. I told him that I didn't believe I could ever forgive him. Months ago I would have given my right leg to make our marriage work. Now, after being treated with such disrespect, I am not willing to give anything to make the marriage work. I also went on to tell him that I thought it was incredibly disrespectful and selfish to ask me to work on our marriage while he was still involved with his GF. He can not in anyway expect me to forgive him, while he is still committing the crime. He told me I wasn't being fair, he was trying to reach out. I told him that this isn't reaching out. This is the same manipulation that I have heard for the last couple of years, and nothing has changed.

His response, then maybe I have been putting my mental energy in the wrong place, and I shouldn't think anymore about reconciliation. I didn't comment.

Finally, I told him there was nothing else for us to talk about, and that I would appreciate if he could show up in court on friday. It was time for us to get this divorce rolling. Nothing has changed in the last couple of years, nothing was different in this conversation, and i believe that nothing will change in the future, so lets deal with reality and get this done.

I didn't hang up on him, but I did end the conversation at that point. Feeling angry and frustrated. Feeling like he played the poor me role, i don't know who to pick until two days before the proceedings.

Need some support......

May 16 - 8AM
Carolyn
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If he is a no show in court

If he is a no show in court it is to your advantage. think about not answering the phone or opening his e-mails. If you and your children have friends or family that you can stay with for the days prior to the court date try that. Keep your distance you are almost finished with this-you are in the home stretch as they say in horse racing. You don't want him fighting custody, moving to your town, etc. Make sure you have proof that he abandoned you for another woman and lives with her, be un-emotional, and cut the ties that bind you to someone who not only negatively affects you but your children.
May 14 - 6AM
Barbara (not verified)
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wooo hooo!!

Cyber high-five Mallory. BTW - he will step up his B.S. now that he knows you're developing a mind of your own. Playing martyr, blaming you -- etc. Be there on Friday no matter what he says. Have your lawyer send that REGISTERED LETTER today telling him he may NOT contact you anymore. And include that he has a fixed amount of time to provide his financials to her (Do NOT leave it open ended!!) or he will be fined for non-cooperation. Demand! - Contempt of Court, Bench Warrant, Psycho Evaluation, Sole Custody. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Cost-Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
May 13 - 9PM
Barbara (not verified)
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do NOT put up with it mallory

Good for you. Next time - DO NOT EVEN TAKE HIS CALL. He should NOT, I repeat, NOT be calling you BUT YOUR ATTORNEY!!!!!!!!!! First thing tomorrow, call your attorney: 1. tell her to call N and demand he get his ass to court on Friday. That he called "trying to weasel out of it yet again" - SHE should call him NOT YOU!!! 2. tell her she MUST write him a registered letter telling him ALL communication must go through HER from NOW ON. PERIOD. And do not let her talk you OUT OF IT Mallory!! This guy needs your lawyer to open a can of WHOOP-ASS on him or he will continue to play this game. 3. tell her you have EVERY INTENTION OF KEEPING THE COURT DATE. Do NOT change it. Do NOT accomodate him. Act like he never told you he wasn't coming. Mallory - I know you may not believe me but if I had just ONE dollar for every N or P I know of who delays or cancels court dates chronically - I'd be able to pay off my NYC Mortgage!!! Without any help from exNH. This is WHY your lawyer MUST MUST MUST get tough. Mallory I can see you are avoiding confrontation with her -- but your lawyer needs to: 1. See that N is found in CONTEMPT OF COURT 2. That a BENCH WARRANT is issued to COMPEL him to court. If you guys accomodate him now - I GUARANTEE he will continue to play this game and so will your lawyer causing you more abuse and heartache. Avoiding confrontation was "taught" to you by N. Stop!! You deserve better and need to start demanding it. Otherwise N is teaching your children that its O.K. to treat Mommy like a doormat. And teaching you that to get along with people you have to bend over for it every time. No Way, Jose. Your lawyer needs to intervene NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Next time, the NANOSECOND the conversation goes off the kids - HANG UP ON HIM!! No more talking to him. NO MORE. Have your attorney send that registered letter TOMORROW!! He needs to tell your attorney NOT YOU that he's backing out. You are not his mommy, his patsy or his secretary. And saying his Nism makes him "good at his career" is like saying being a Criminal Psychopath is what makes someone good at brutal murder. They ALWAYS try to justify the unjustifiable and then we are left reeling trying to make sense of it. This same guy was on vacation with you & his kids while getting lewd texts from him girlfriend about her private parts. Is he kidding? Now he can't show up to court. Mallory, your lawyer needs to eviscerate this piece of crap. And SOLE CUSTODY with SUPERVISED VISITATION. NO MORE MALLORY!!! He did this on purpose. Your attorney needs to grow a spine or GET A NEW LAWYER!!!!!!!!!! Enough is enough. I had to fire my first attorney for being way too wishy-washy let's-all-work-together with exNH because he found every reason to not show up to court. He expected me to handle everything. Per usual. Nope. He says I am a "bitch" now. Yup: Babe In Total Control of Herself. Proud to be a bitch now MAN UP!! CONTEMPT OF COURT. BENCH WARRANT. PSYCH EVALUATION.NOW!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
May 13 - 8PM
Fawn
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Poor me

Yes he is playing you Mallory. It sounds like you handled the situation well he didn't think that you would really go through with it. He will probably scramble around tomorrow to get an attorney. Expect anything ! Just stay calm and let your attorney do her job. It is amazing to me how cocky these men are. He thinks that he can live with another woman, break up two families, and that you will drop the divorce. Reality bites!
May 13 - 9PM (Reply to #2)
grossot
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go

Malorie Go to the court precedings. You will b the responsible one if he doesn't show he won't get want he wants. Take it all. Tell the judge u want the house full custody of children allomony child support and H to pay all debts. How is he going to defend himself if he's not there? nolongercontrolled
May 13 - 9PM (Reply to #4)
malloryforest
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sent the lawyer

I sent the lawyer an email letting her know that H has no intention of showing up for court. His schedule won't allow for it. I am waiting back to hear from her. I asked about registered letter to force him into going...contempt of court, etc. Will have more clarity in the morning. I am taking your advice Barbara, and having all communication go through lawyer unless it is directly about children. This guy is over the top Narcissistic. My therapist today told me that she thought he was definitley pathological, and N was probably just one of his problems.I can't believe that two days before the proceedings this man is still trying to get me to reconcile while he is still with GF. He honestly does not get it, and will never get it. It amazes me! It has been two years and I am still amazed. Thank you for all the feedback.
May 13 - 9PM (Reply to #8)
quietude (not verified)
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mallory

The ladies have said it all, please do your best to follow the advice. Funny how these guys don't respond to you in a (cough) loving manner until it's BALLS TO THE WALL. To be honest, when you're sitting there explaining your 'real human' feelings to him, he's not going to get it. He is only thinking of his next line to try to reel you in, how bad he feels for himself and how to degrade or make you feel guilty more, or reminding himself to look up the scores from the baseball game last night. I like that last line to him, 'there was nothing else to talk about...'. You have proven to yourself that talking to him leads to nowheresville, and just makes you feel worse. Best of luck at your court date, we will all be thinking about you!
May 13 - 9PM (Reply to #5)
Barbara (not verified)
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don't ask - TELL

I asked about registered letter to force him into going...contempt of court, etc. It's your dime. YOU run the show - NOT THE LAWYERS. Tell her you have every intention of going. His SCHEDULE won't allow for it? 36 hours before he realizes this?Sounds like what exNH said!! ROFL. I told the judge that it was just proof of how his needs went before his family and his marriage yet again. Judges don't like people who don't keep their court dates.;) Your Narc is controlling & manipulating - don't buy it and do NOT allow it. He's a psychopath dear. WWAAAYYYY beyond Narc. Did you read WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS yet? Being married AND having girlfriends AND trying to convince everyone it's OK? is PSYCHOPATH territory! KEEP THAT COURT DATE. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
May 13 - 9PM (Reply to #6)
malloryforest
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barbara...

Sent lawyer another note telling her that I will be there on friday. I wanted to keep this court date, and not back down. I told her that this behavior just exemplifies how he puts his needs, schedule, etc. before everyone else's including his family and her time. I explained that if we reschedule he will just continue pushing. As of today, he has not sent her one piece of financial information. To celebrate my steps forward, I bought a chocolate cake tonight and ate a huge chunk of it. It was a delight to be able to eat it without being scolded about the harms of sugar, or being told that my 100 pound body might get fat!
May 15 - 12PM (Reply to #7)
startnew (not verified)
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Mallory

Thinking of you today! Good luck! Glad you enjoyed the cake! :-)
May 13 - 9PM (Reply to #3)
Barbara (not verified)
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Resisting the Narc's Manipulation

by Kathy Krajco Here is a suggestion for how to keep narcissists and other psychological manipulators from controlling you. Never think to outsmart them or out-manipulate them. You might as well think to beat Roger Federer at tennis. But straight thinking can help immensely. Keep clear on this point: Your feelings are not under your control. Your conduct is. Do not let your emotions control your conduct. If you don't, you won't be manipulated. Like a novelist, a manipulator manipulates your feelings. A novelist knows how to make you happy, sad. He knows how to put you on tenterhooks. He knows how to make you side with a certain character, even a villain. He knows how to make you desperate to see the hero get what she wants. There are literary formulas for achieving all these things in the mind of the reader. So, con artists, narcissists, and psychopaths aren't the only great manipulators out there. But they all manipulate by manipulating your emotions. They CAUSE your feelings. If the situation is such that you can't keep them from abusing you at will, they control your feelings. Bruised feelings are more sensitive feelings. So, continuing abuse gets more and more painful. This is why it's best to get away from the narcissist. By doing so, you take away his or her power to control your emotions. Those emotions aren't bad. In fact, they are what motivate you to put a stop to the abuse. They give you the courage to act. Fine. But don't let those emotions do your thinking for you. They are housed in the primitive brainstem, so you can imagine what kind of bright ideas they come up with. Not smart. Then YOU will have something to be ashamed of. Your intellect should be in charge of your conduct. Shakespeare's Hamlet is a masterful story of intellect and emotion battling for supremacy in this young man. His raging soliloquies are Emotion trying to make him just go murder that guy and be done with it, so that the world sees he does have a spine. This inner battle tears him apart. The same inner battle tears the victims of narcissists apart. It's a living Hell. But I'm sorry, but there's no way duck out of it. Many people think to do so by cheating: they just squelch their feelings. There. Hell all gone. Not. That isn't the same thing as putting your intellect in control of your conduct. What's more, these people don't really alter their feelings at all. They just delude themselves into thinking that they have controlled their feelings by repressing them. Repressed feelings aren't controlled. They are just pushed down to the level of the subconscious. And they still motivate your conduct from there. The only difference is that now you are unaware of their influence on your conduct. So, you can't temper that influence with reason and good judgement. That's dangerous. It's dangerous to have subconscious activity motivating your conduct! So, there is no way to avoid this heart-rending inner battle of emotion and intellect. The psychological warfare of the narcissist has forced it on you. You are just going to have to win it. Hamlet does. He never denies his emotions, but he also never cedes control of his conduct to his emotions. Painful as they are, his emotions are good for him. They keep him from the cowardice and treason of allowing the murder of his father by doing nothing about it. BUT, he never lets those emotions call the shots. His intellect steadfastly chooses to bide his time, waiting for an opportunity to do justice, putting the black hat on Claudius and the white hat on himself for the whole world to see. And when that opportunity arrives (at the end), Hamlet acts without hesitation as the legal Seat of Justice in the land. Justice. Fiat justitia, ruat coelum! The famous saying was coined by Lucius Calpurnius Piso Caesoninus, a Roman statesman and Julius Caesar's father-in-law. It is usually translated as "Though the heavens fall, let justice be done!" Although to a native speaker of Latin the sense would be "To hell with heaven, let justice be done!" Or in another sense: "To hell with celebrities, let justice be done!" http://narc-attack.blogspot.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/