The Retreat

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#1 Nov 11 - 10AM
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The Retreat

Hello everyone,

I wrote the following last night:

I am writing this as I sit in the airport in North Carolina awaiting my flight home. I am SOOOOOO happy I went to the retreat! First and foremost I have to express my appreciation for having Sandra Brown come into my life. I don’t care how corny that sounds, because I really do feel that way! What a wonderful and amazing lady!!! (Hilarious and funny too!). I’m gonna miss her! :0)

Okay ladies- the Retreat was certainly not easy! You do have to be ready to face reality….. face facts… deal with the pain and anger that may come up. It is a given that intense emotions will arise. Being there was equivalent to months of therapy to me. The group sessions were often 5 hours daily (with some little breaks in between), held in the comfy living room of a cute house/cabin in the mountains of North Carolina--- so serene. Only four other women were there with me. Oh ladies….. I wish you all were there to be able to learn and feel all that I did during my five days.

I’m not healed of course, however I am on my way and I can say that with some confidence now. Pathologicals (narcs, sociopaths, psychopaths) are even MORE screwed up than I thought… and I am supposed to have a background in this psychopathology stuff due to my educational background!! But ladies… they are even MORE screwed up than ANY DSM or text book can convey to you! We never stood a chance…. (I know I didn’t).

So….this retreat was not a ‘quick fix and now I am all better’ situation. NOPE not at all. However, I am no longer stuck. I am no longer spinning my wheels in confusion about my feelings. This is the beginning of my healing and I will finally acknowledge that, rather than do my typical "but it’s been 6 months, I should be over it routine.” It takes as long as it takes, because ‘pathologicals’ (them) DAMAGE ‘normals’ (us)… they simply do! I am still hurting… I mean just a few hours ago I cried as I spoke with Sandra. So, yes I am still hurting; no one can just take that away, bc healing is a process; HOWEVER I am no longer lost… no longer stuck… no longer without an arsenal of tools to help me with my pain… and no longer without hope.

I learned strategies to help me with my cognitive dissonance/intrusive thoughts. Those were two areas that were really messing with my brain and Sandra helped me in how to deal with it when they occur. Basically, this retreat lifted the fog. Yes, I am in a very difficult situation, Yes it is going to require lots of work and healing to be better; Yes I am in pain. However, I have a few tools and gained some level of acceptance of my situation (I won’t fight it anymore) that was given to me via the retreat.

I learned how women with our 'supertraits' (low harm avoidance, high empathy, high tolerance, high trust, high excitement seeking, extroverted, etc) tend to stick it out with nutjobs like our psychopaths/ narcs. I learned how I need to protect those supertraits. Those traits are really awesome… however not in the hands of a pathological… there will be inevitable harm to you- guaranteed!

I DO have to actually change a bit and not be so trusting, tolerant, and empathic. REALLY let a guy prove that he is worthy of that… otherwise, maintain some strong boundaries and if they demonstrate signs of psychopathy run the other way… no excuses from them…. Just GO! My tendency to bond really quickly also put me at risk… I have to use my awareness to protect myself, bc whether we like it or not ladies our world is LOADED with pathologies and they will bring inevitable harm to us…. They certainly can’t bring love and happiness now can they?

Sandra shared so much of herself and really listened to each of us individually and really helped to kick start me …. Got the momentum going again to move forward in my healing.
Oh ladies…if you are able to go, I strongly recommend you go to one of her retreats! I am so glad I did!!!! I'm so happy I met her and worked with her. You’ll love Sandra, she is such a wonderful wonderful lady. :-)

Love,
Jessika

Nov 15 - 3PM
Carolyn
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There is a good book written

There is a good book written by Stuart Wilde, small, easy read, but powerful called 'Weight Loss for the Mind' I think, on the heels of Sandra Brown's retreat, you need to keep the momentum going and Wilde's book will take you a step in the right direction. No one is prepared for their roller coaster ride with a personality disorder. The DSM can give you simple, diagnositic criteria but it doesn't prepare anyone for the two personalities, bizarre behavior, intentional infliction of emotional harm, financial devastation, lack of empathy and sympathy and down right craziness. You have been to a living nightmare and now you are back. Brown will show you where you have been and now it is time for you to find out where you want to go. Where do you want to be in 5 years? Good luck with your future you deserve the best.
Nov 13 - 2PM
Jessika (not verified)
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Sure...

you're welcome everybody! LOl.... I got a bit of the swagger back that I used to have. When I met my last narc I toned it down, bc he told me that I 'thought too much" of myself. However, now I see he was just knocking down a boundary and chipping away at my self esteem by saying that. I AM pretty damn special. I see that it is hard to find people who are filled with beauty on the inside... who are emotionally mature... unique and also talented, intelligent and attractive on the outside- THAT is a special person. NOT HIM.... he is just a cookie cut narc... they are all the same. Nothing special about THEM. So, I will protect myself. If I come across as arrogant and someone complains, then that is a red flag that they are likely pathological, bc to normal people they clearly know I am not arrogant or mean... however to a narc/ pathological it threatens them. They have to be the one who is the most special... gets all the attention, like a frigging little kid. MINE MINE MINE is their whiney screwed up motto. I was invited to a party tonight... At first I wasn't going to go, bc I am focused now on living a gentle life and staying away from all the rich, name dropping, Hummer driving LOSER narcs that I used to hang with. HOWEVER, LOL... I'm going to take it as a challenge. Sandy was telling me that people as empathic as me can "feel" pathology and that i have to learn to listen to my body. She is right, I always felt tense and uncomfortable in the presence of my ex... never happy and relaxed. Well, at the party tonight, with these rich assholes, I am going to simply practice my narc radar skills. I am sure there will be a couple of normals at the party (I am going to the party with a normal girl who was just hurt when her narc left her last month). Now that I know that all they are limited to in their interactions is 1) hiding their disorder when they target you (i.e., the mask) 2) Dominance 3) Control 4) Power and you can't forget all that delicious ATTENTION that they need, it may be a little entertaining for me to STARVE them. I am sure some of these guys are going to try to impress me by teling me about their cars, houses, boats, companies.... however I am going to make them dance and perform if they want an ounce of my attention. LOL... I'm gonna act bored and uninterested and walk away. LOL! I know I sound so awful... he he. But I now see the power that I have. Ladies we are normal... no actually exceptional women. Wouldn't you LOVE to meet someoe like yourself. Wouldn't you be proud of a man who had some of your qualities.... excitement seeking (in a good way), happy, high tolerance, funny, SMART, attractive, empathic, caretaking, trusting and loyal???! We need to SEE that. See how SPECIAL that truly is!!! They are all the same. That is why it sounds like all 5,000 of us have dated the exact same guy!! Pathology is the SAME... just different degree of it... and slightly different ways in their expression of it. Their cognitive intelligence is probably the only thing that really sets them apart from each other (i.e., the smart ones own companies, houses, run the country... while the dumber (IQ) ones are dodging child support, getting arrested, and working (lol... if they even have a frigging job) in crappy low level positions however thinking they are hot stuff(security guards, cops, or something associated with power). I wish i could just wipe all these low lifes away from this planet... they don't belong here!! Ladies, let's starve them all. Give them NO attention! They are SO beneath us.... I no longer care that my narc is the 8 million dollar man... he is less than me. He is garbage, bc he is deformed emotionally.... an emotional retard!! Happy Friday!! :-) Love Jessika
Nov 13 - 7PM (Reply to #14)
cynthia (not verified)
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ha ha ha

in crappy low level positions however thinking they are hot stuff(security guards, cops, or something associated with power). You know you are actually right mine was a COP, and really if he was so damn smart WHY DOES HE HAVE A MERE COMMON LABOR JOB in a sense really? He isnt a doctor, lawyer, CPA, or own a company, but he thought he was hot shit because he was a sheriff (hope there arent any victims out there that are cops ha ha But you know what I mean Mine acted like he was this big wig CEO of a firm or something and he just has an average job that gives him a little more power over others, now he can have people kiss his ass while he is working and when he is off duty, ha ha yes sir, yes officer, no sir, no officer. I will give you a blow job officer if you dont give me that ticket, ha ha JUST A RICH MAN who is a psychopath that is all he is. Now he can get pretty much get any woman he would want and he can impress them with the rich life they could have together, and there are women who would put up with pretty much anything to live that lifestyle, not many, but more than you would think who would sell their souls to the devil. I am not one of them. Wouldn't you LOVE to meet someoe like yourself. Wouldn't you be proud of a man who had some of your qualities.... excitement seeking (in a good way), happy, high tolerance, funny, SMART, attractive, empathic, caretaking, trusting and loyal???! We need to SEE that. See how SPECIAL that truly is!!! They are all the same. That is why it sounds like all 5,000 of us have dated the exact same guy!! WOW what a profound statment Jessika, I would love to find someone who had the great qualities I have, instead I have been with almost the same man everyone of you has been with, nothing special about him, they treat all of us the same, because he is the same empty man, that has nothing to offer substantial to anyone, then they cast us away and run away to hide their sickness when we get too smart for them. Better go try to fool another with my facade let her see all I have that will cover up my pathology and she wont even care that I am disturbed and am a sociopath. She wont care that I am so f---ed up that I suffer from Ed and cant even have normal sex with someone because of my sex addiction, I'll never be able to share true intimacy with her but just let her live in my mansion and that should keep her happy for awhile. I am sooo glad I am free and you sound so good, have fun at your party and have a blast laughing behind these rich assholes backs
Nov 13 - 2PM (Reply to #11)
staranew (not verified)
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Jessika

It sounds so great to recapture the sparkle that makes you feel and be so special! There is great conviction in your words and in your insight. You sound very pulled together and powerful. Wow, you've done a lot of work.. Congratulations! Keep posting further as I enjoy reading about your process of recovery. It is very helpful. As for tonight, enjoy the freedom to be you and let those narcs starve to death! Have fun!! :-) XOXO
Nov 13 - 3PM (Reply to #12)
Jessika (not verified)
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LOL

(Evil laugh mixed with giggles)... I will Staranew.. I will! Starve those deformed bastards I tell ya! I'm gonna dress up to look like a diva (however I don't have any diva/narc deformed crap inside me). I'm gonna give them a taste of their own medicine (yawn yawn, as they talk about their stuff and self promote)--- oh so boring! ROTFL!!! ;-)
Nov 14 - 7AM (Reply to #13)
staranew (not verified)
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Honor thyself

Go get 'em, ya diva! ;-) You are a beauty inside and out and why not show it in a great outfit? You are a woman, and you are a human being. You are alive while they are dead.. and that is definitely something to celebrate!
Nov 12 - 4AM
Ellen
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Hi Jessika

Hi Jessika, You sound so 'moved on' it's great. I want to go too, i've just been reading her book 'How to spot a dangerous man' it is brill...i found answers in it that i haven't found anywhere else. I would love to go to the retreat but might be a long way from the Uk for me. Well done
Nov 11 - 11PM
Lisa E. Scott
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Jessika

Oh, I'm so happy to hear how much the retreat helped you. Sandra is amazing, isn't she? I'm so happy for you that you're on the path to recovery. Sandra has great tools for helping with this. I couldn't agree with you more that we must protect our super traits (high empathy, high trust and tolerance, etc). Thank you so much for sharing your experience with us! You are an inspiration! Big Hugs, Lisa
Nov 11 - 11AM
staranew (not verified)
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Glad you're back and better!

Welcome back! I am so glad to know you have been able to see the truth of the situation and are able to now focus on you and your healing. You sound so much better and alive. Yes, the healing process continues, but it is wonderful to know that you know there is no timeline and now you have the tools to cope in a healthier manner. The important thing is to make yourself a priority. Take care of yourself and stay away from any situation or person that brings discomfort. It is wonderful that you can look forward to being YOURSELF once again and even better with a wisdom that has sculpted your newfound sense of self and one that will bring more confidence and strength in your life.
Nov 11 - 11AM
cynthia (not verified)
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HOW GREAT

I was thinking about you all week wondering how you were doing, I knew it would be painful with reality thrown at you and facing facts that we can not avoid. "You mentioned that they are more screwed up than we could imagine", and that makes sense because look how screwed up they left us (I should say broken, didnt mean any disrespect by that, guess I was left screwed up) Could you elaborate on that a bit when you get a chance to unwind and settle in, I dont expect you to report word by word of your counseling but in what ways did you realize they were more screwed up than you thought? Sometimes I dont think I fully grasp the severity of their disorder even as much as I have read and been informed by Barbara that they are NOT HUMAN!!!! I think many of us still try to reason with them as humans. I am so glad it got you unstuck so you can move forward with your recovery. I knew it wouldnt be a quick fix, there is no quick fix for this but more a better understanding for all the questions we seem to always have. Oh do let us know more when you have time, I want to go on this retreat as well. Hugs and welcome back hun. X0 :)
Nov 11 - 11AM
4joys4
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Thanks so much for the

Thanks so much for the update. I'm glad it was so good for you :)
Nov 11 - 11AM
Shelley (not verified)
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Welcome Home, Jessika!

I was anxious to "hear" what you had to say about the retreat. You sound energized and positive, but like you said, not healed, but working on it. It would be wonderful to spend time with Sandra Brown. I hope all of us might have that opportunity someday. But in the meantime, we can read her book and go from there. You sound happy, Jessika. I can "hear" the smile in your words. Love ya back.
Nov 12 - 9PM (Reply to #2)
Barbara (not verified)
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More on the Retreats

To find out more about these Retreats and to download an application: http://saferelationshipsmagazine.com/retreats/retreats-28-day-intensives Calendar of Retreats: http://saferelationshipsmagazine.com/educational-ctr/training-calendar ~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Abuse Information Site Online Coaching & Help
Nov 12 - 10PM (Reply to #3)
grossot
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jessica

Thank you! So glad the retreat was effective. I am definately wanting to go! Your post was very informative and highly useful. Thanks again! http://hubpages.com/hub/Married-to-a-Narcissist?preview nolongercontrolled
Nov 12 - 11PM (Reply to #4)
itreallyisabouthim
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I am so glad you had such a

I am so glad you had such a great experience!