Codependency

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Codependency

A little information on Codependency. I am not in anyway saying that everyone who was in a relationship with a Narc is Codependent however Narcs are very attracted to codependents. Anyway here is a little bit on Codependency. I am one for sure. To me it is not a dirty word but finally an explanation for some unhealthy patterns of behavior I have had for years.

http://psychcentral.com/library/id63.html

Co-dependent Relationships
by Mr. Stone

The term "co-dependency" has become a common expression, appearing in articles, books and talk shows. But what does the term really mean? How do you know if you are in a co-dependent relationship?

Co-dependency occurs when two people form a relationship with each other because neither feels that he or she can "stand alone." Neither person feels capable or self-reliant. It is as if two half parts are trying to make a whole. Both partners are seeking to become psychologically complete by binding the other partner to themselves. For example, a female partner may spend most of her attention and time assisting her lover in recovering from drug addiction. She feels a sense of purpose and may appear to be wonderfully self-sacrificing. However, she may also be avoiding her own unhappiness and personal issues -- like her fear of abandonment. Her partner may believe that he can't deal with his addiction without her. He vacillates between feeling grateful for her help and resentful for what he feels is her nagging and smothering behavior. Many co-dependent partners report feeling "let down," "taken advantage of," or "trapped" by their needy partner when they are really "trapped" by their own overwhelming neediness. The addicted partner is also using his complaints about the relationship to avoid dealing with his own neediness and addiction

In co-dependent relationships, "We need each other," which can be a healthy thing, often covers over "I need you to need me"; this can lead to "I will keep you needy because, if you ever get better, I am afraid that you will leave me." This kind of interaction is grounded in desperation and often spawns abusive and obsessive relationships grounded in neediness and control rather than love and respect.

Where does dependency come from? We are born dependent and needy. Becoming self-reliant is the result of a developmental process which involves the support of our parents and other caretakers. Normal progression begins with "symbiosis," moves to increasing competence, then to independence, and, finally to interdependence. In co-dependent relationships, these normal shifts get "stuck," leading to an incomplete sense of self and an inability to stand on one's own.

Symbiosis is the stage in which an infant bonds with its mother and, perhaps, other caretakers. When this stage gets derailed, it's as if the frightened child within is saying, "I can�t live without you," "You have to meet all my needs," "Never leave me!" Alternatively, some people get stuck with an inner voice of a needy caregiver: "I will meet all your needs and never leave you � as long as you promise to need me and me alone forever."

The next stage of development involves, a growing sense of competence. The individual develops some ability to be a separate person and to care for him or herself. As infants become toddlers, they can stand on their own two feet, walk, talk, assert themselves, grab food from the cabinet, and rely on their "blankie" for comfort. This real progress is often accompanied by a willful denial of dependency: "I am no ba by !!" In co-dependent relationships, such real progress is a threat to the stability of the relationship. A co-dependent person believes that when his or her partner is no longer needy, he or she has nothing to offer.

The next stage involves the beginning of real independence. Toddlers become children who can make some decisions about what they want. They can go off to school or down the block to play with friends and can give voice to the person they are. Children who are encouraged to make independent decisions and to deal with the consequences of their decisions can begin to feel in control of their lives. They will be ready for the challenges of adolescence and for taking their place in the world as competent, dependable, caring adults.

This independence can lead to interdependence, where by children can move comfortably between being both independent and dependent, competent and needy depending on the situation and their own level of growth. Children need to know that their competence and initiative are appreciated. It is equally critical for children to know that they can ask for help and support when it is needed without being shamed.

The development of independence and interdependence mark the end of co-dependent relationships. For a co-dependent person, this is scary; without the �glue� of neediness, they wonder what will hold a relationship together. Because they don't understand that there are better ways to bind a relationship, they fear that there can be no relationship at all.

This developmental pathway is not only a story of how we grow up from infancy to adulthood, but is also a map which can help us understand where things could have gone wrong. Co-dependency could result from any of these stages being interrupted; the death of a parent, the breakup of the family, illness, a move, a traumatic event, are all examples of things that can intrude on the normal developmental process. Co-dependency can also result from any of these stages not being supported by parents and other caregivers and partners who struggle with their own co-dependency issues.

How do we overcome co-dependency? This developmental pathway to independence and interdependence is always available to us and our loved ones. We can move from the symbiosis of "I can�t live without you," to the counter-dependency of "I refuse to be co-dependent" with its ba by -steps toward a separate self, to the more solid foundation of being centered in an independent self, and then to the maturity of interdependence. A first step is to recognize the problem and reach out for help. Once help is received, it is critical to stick with the process of recovery through the fears and protests of neediness from within as well as outside the self. In this process, a person needs support from others who can show them the way, challenge them when they are falling back into old ways, and cheer them on.

Sep 30 - 9PM
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Sep 30 - 9PM
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Sep 30 - 3PM
Goldie
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Good stuff GB

Thanks for sharing. God bless, Goldie
Sep 30 - 5PM (Reply to #11)
gettinbetter
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your welcome my sister :)

your welcome my sister :)
Sep 30 - 5PM (Reply to #10)
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your welcome my sister :)

your welcome my sister :)
Sep 30 - 10AM
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Your welcome ladies. For some

Your welcome ladies. For some of us this is the gettin real part. A year and a half ago if someone would have said I was codependent I would have said absolutely not. On the outside I look very confident and independent that's what I call "fake me" but internally I am anything but. Real me thinks I have to fix and control things because if you need me you won't leave me. I think I have always had codependent tendencies but it really took root in me after round one with the narc in my twenties. I have only had one narc relationship but my codependency really shows up at work. I make sure I'm the best so that they can't live without me.
Sep 30 - 3PM (Reply to #8)
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I did absolutely everything unconsciously

Because I knew no other way until about 18 months ago. Was perplexed by "boundaries" and "expectations" so explored that aspect with a therapist. Best 6 weeks of my life. I feel I became fully alive for the first time in my life. The puzzle was beginning to fall into place. It was exhilerating. I am now more aware of my feelings and needs and don't feel that I have to be at the front of the queue to save or rescue others at my own expense or wellbeing. With my new knowledge I have now learnt to honour and respect myself better too. I have found nowadays that it is sometimes best to say nothing or ultimately a gentle "no" if need be. Most times the result is fine but one of my sisters tried to break my boundaries earlier this year and she exploded viciously at me so we haven't really spoken since. I felt that she disrespected me too much (back to the childhood patterns on her part that time) and that my NC with her has freed me too. She could sometimes be a bit overwhelming and toxic - Mrs. Knowitall, and it was just too draining. So I think that I may be coming out of the co-dependency fog and learning to protect myself better and let everybody else make their own mistakes because I don't feel that it's my role to rescue them anymore. Dee x
Sep 30 - 10AM (Reply to #7)
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aw gettingbetter

i make sure they wont get rid of me...awww that made me sad.. enxn went to court ,when i first met him, and was telling me after that he had offered to much a month, he phoned the fines office, but b/c he is so aggressive that wouldnt be moved.i then took it on my self to phone the fines people, said he was related to me, and that he wasent well and had offered more than he could afford monthly....i got it sorted and texted him and said i have sorted your fine.... he then phoned me, and said how did you do it? i told him and that they had lowered the monthy payment, he was over the moon, and said what would i do without you[ i thought you will never be without me]but you know the rest...i am here nc.....i think that is the saddest statement i have every had to write, i made my self indispensible to him...so he wouldnt go......how ironic then that i was the one who dropped him...by then, i wouldnt do a thing for him....so i knew it was over, and if i think back to his exs and women when i was with him....we all done something for him...so we must have all been co-dependant.....what AN ABSOLUTLY DEPRESSING THOUGHT..... here,s a question then getting better....i won't do things for other people,and i am pretty straight about it, i say no ,i cant be bothered ,or in some cases, i just say no....i was only like this with mynm...myexnh,exnwomen,andexn....so only people i like,or want to keep close...omg ,what a little saddo.....but why do i go off them then...and stop doing anything at all?
Sep 30 - 8AM
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Thank you for this post, I

Thank you for this post, I said many times in my head while reading, "That`s so ME! and that`s ME too!..and that`s HIM"..:( Well, unforcinately, or forcinately, depends on which side do you look at things, we must do the right thing for ourselfs. I had "a-ha" moments in life, when I said to myself "Look, that`s the way you want your whole life to be?..Do you wanna die like that?". I look to codependency like an addiction, nothing more, nothing less. Addiction to confirmations, validation from people, addiction to a person. And as any other addiction, it HAS to be treated, in order to live healthy. You have to aknowledge when you engage in this behaviors, and try to stop. Ex N wasn`t the only Narc I had bumped into in my life, I had a pattern. Most of the men I "fell" for, were eventually cruel, chaotic, crazy. Just like home sweet home. I`ve said it before, but when you feel "like home", RUN!! Impose yourself, to deprogramm from these unhealthy patterns, we deserve more..much more.
Sep 30 - 2AM
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Thank you

A very straight forward explanation and really helpful. I don't view it as a dirty word either but an explanation for some of my unhealthy patterns of behaviour that can be fixed. I have realised that I have issues with co-dependency and am working on them now. Until doing that work on myself, unbeknown to me, I had always been an empath, a "fixer", and a rescuer. I needed to be needed. A people pleaser from my childhood where my emotional needs were never fully nurtured or developed. One of my sisters told me years ago that I was very needy. I really took offence because I had always thought of myself as very independent but what she really meant was exactly what is in the article but at that time I was not so self aware. I wish we could have that conversation today but sadly she passed away 4 years ago so it will never happen now because it would be so much more acceptable and enlightening. But during the past couple of years I have been working on myself and know that with my realisation it helped me finally walk away from the ex-P/N. He must deal with his own demons and I now know that I don't need to help him. Dee x
Sep 29 - 11PM
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When I first came here to

When I first came here to this board. I remember feeling like it was my personal responsibility to save him from his Narcissism. After all I couldnt let him continue on his pathway to Hell. No No I had to figure this out there must be some way I can save him right? and once I save him we will ride off into the sunset and live happily ever after. Now thats some codependent behavior.
Sep 30 - 8AM (Reply to #2)
Used
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gettingbetter

very good article, like uk lady, i am strong ,independant self sufficent, so i didnt even read articules on codependenceny, until one day you had posted something and i read it, and thought...omg thats me, it cant be? so i asked a friend who i trust implicitly, wow did she open my eyes...though i am all the things i said about, i am also ,that when i go into a r/s-f/s....i am ok ,and then i find my self helping them out to such a degree, i begin to let them take me over[exnh-exn-exnwomen]...they only thing that doesnt apply to me, is that i do like my own company, i like solitude, even my hobbies are solitrey one,s reading, crosswords and so on....so thats when the trouble begins, they want so much of me, i begin to resent it....when i was withexn, i didnt go to library for approx 2years, i used to go every couple of weeks, when i tried to go in there ,he would say not now, do it when you are not with me...no point ,i never got the chance to read a book, since nc,i read 1/2 books a week....thankyou for this getting better.......
Sep 30 - 11AM (Reply to #3)
gettinbetter
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Everyone has a certain amount

Everyone has a certain amount of codependency as they do narcissism as well but there are those of us who have unhealthy amounts. I think many people see codependents as meek needy sad little people. Nothing coulld. be furrther from the truth (I suppose it presents that way in some.) There are many that come across strong and confident and we use it so that others will defer to a need us and not leave us which = control. When were needed we equate that to our worth. Here's one positive I make more than any of my counterparts and I have never been laid off when others were. So I guess maybe the bright side lol