Rumination

Rumination according to Wiki:

Is defined as a way of responding to distress that involves repetitively (and passively) focusing on the symptoms of distress, and on its possible causes and consequences.[1] Rumination is more common in people who are pessimistic, neurotic, and who have negative attributional styles. The tendency to ruminate is a stable constant over time and serves as a significant risk factor for clinical depression. Not only are habitual ruminators more likely to become depressed, but experimental studies have demonstrated that people who are induced to ruminate experience greater depressed mood.[2] There is also evidence that rumination is linked to general anxiety, post traumatic stress, binge drinking, eating disorders, and self-injurious behavior.[3]

Rumination was originally believed to predict the duration of depressive symptoms. In other words, ruminating about problems was presumed to be a form of memory rehearsal which was believed to actually lengthen the experience of depression. The evidence now suggests that although rumination contributes to depression, it is not necessarily correlated with the duration of symptoms.[4]

Rumination is similar to worry except rumination focuses on bad feelings and experiences from the past, whereas worry is concerned over potential bad events in the future. Both rumination and worry are associated with anxiety and other negative emotional states.

Many mental health professionals state ruminating is unhealthy:

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http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2011/01/20/why-ruminating-is-unhea...

When it comes to victims of Narcissistic Personality Disorder Abuse, I can't help but disagree. In order to heal, we have to "Process" what we've just experienced having been trapped in the web of a Narcissist.

In the early stages of recovery, as victims we experience what is known in most NPD Abuse recovery circles as Cognitive Dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance according to Wiki is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding conflicting ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance. They do this by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and actions.[2] Dissonance is also reduced by justifying, blaming, and denying. The phrase was coined by Leon Festinger in his 1956 book When Prophecy Fails, which chronicled the followers of a UFO cult as reality clashed with their fervent beliefs[3][4]It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology. A closely related term, cognitive disequilibrium, was coined by Jean Piaget to refer to the experience of a discrepancy between something new and something already known or believed.

In laymans terms, Cognitive Dissonance is metaphorically speaking, the brain's short circuiting as it tries to make sense of two opporing thoughts that no amount of reasoning can ever fit together. It is the side effect of the mind attempting to create "logic" from the insane and irrational (that would be all the crap from the Narc). It is the equivalent of attempting to make 2+2=5...it can't be done.

When we discover we have been victimized by a NPD disordered individual, we experience Cognitive Dissonance. We are struggling to come to terms with the fact that the Narc FAKED AN ENTIRE RELATIONSHIP, sometimes living a very disordered and potentially harmful second life... while we were living in the illusion we were in a relationship with a partner for life. Under such circumstances, it is natural to ruminate as we are trying to process and compare the new information we've learned about NPD and deterine whether or not it applies. The only way we can make a determination is by replaying the "old tapes" and connecting the dots....we RUMINATE...

It is important during this time to find support systems and engage with others who share in this experience, as those who have never been a victim of NPD abuse really don't understand why we are so traumatized. The abuse was stealth, and in most cases undetected by us the victims until the mask came off. Up until that point, the Narc appeared to others, charming and affiable and even had us convinced we were tempermental and over sensitive with their conning little ways. Due to the Narc's expert ability to CON, we are doubted when we cry abuse. Don't be fooled, this is ABUSE. The abuse was covert, psychological and a direct result of the brainwashing. Under such conditons, it is only normal to become unraveled, we began to display signs of PTSD or C-PTSD (which can mimic symptoms of Bi-Polar) except we didn't know what it was, we could not articulate what was ailing us due to lack of awareness, we just knew we were going through incredible mood swings, that the narc blamed on hormones or our being too sensitive and perhaps our therapists not knowing our baseline, also chalked it up so a problem with US.

The truth is, the narc was slowly pushing buttons and projecting their insanity onto us, using tactics such as intermittent reinforcement, gaslighting, manipulation, passive aggression and power plays until we didn't know which way was up. The Narcs created chaos, smoke mirrors, illusions and delusions, until we ended up depleted with nothing left to give...then they brought out the trump card...triangulation by sucking in their next victim where they began their sick song and dance of victimization all over again, labeling you the crazy one and spotlighted themselves as the VICTIM. This is called "The Pity Play." Unfortunately, it works for a Narc MOST of the time. During my OWN dance with rumination I remembered the Narc sat at my table and said: "I am a Master Manipulator"...this went RIGHT over my head...hindsight is 20/20 and we end up amazed at how PERFECT our vision is in HINDSIGHT...nonetheless, this experience is not in vain, if you do the work, you CAN HAVE THE LAST LAUGH...

Many do not believe us when we share we've been victims of abuse because while simultaneously abusing you and breaking you down, the narc maintained ITS (thats right, only humans get proper pronouns) fascade to the public, engaged in campaigns of "Pre-emptive" damage control by initiating a campaign of defamation against you. IT called you crazy, and cried to all ITS friends, your friends and your family and perhaps even the family dog, just how 'undone' you were becomming and also used this to lure ITS next victim...the classic: "She's crazy and doesn't understand me, and I tried soooo hard"...YEA...okayee...IT acted like IT had no idea what caused you to act out this way...except the Narc engaged in psychopathic behaviour and you were lucky to get out alive...many that are traumatized to this degree have attempted suicide. The professional's don't get this either most of the time. While the victim is locked up in the psych ward, the Narc is laying in bed with ITS next victim - male, female or goat - this is one "Cassanova" or "Casanovette" that does not discriminate! These individuals are just that "senstive, caring, loving and attached."

In ignorance, we had no idea of the slow poision They exposed us to. Narcs can be deadly...the fact we're here is testament to the fact that we are strong and we will overcome...pray for their future victims. They know not what train wreck is on it's way to hit them...

It is unfortunate that so many therapists are un-skilled in helping victims of NPD Abuse. Nonetheless, it is recommended that you seek professional help during this time of crisis. My personal recommendation, learn all you can about NPD Abuse so that you are able to articulate when seeking help and will know whether or not the therapist is on the mark. There is a ton of information on NPD Abuse out there, it is easy to find. It is the understanding and support that is rare.

As a result of my being a victim of NPD abuse, I am committed to raising awareness and helping bring knowledge and support to any and all victims of this stealth form of abuse.

Keep in mind, while it is important to think positive thoughts and not get stuck in the past...if you wish to heal, despite the NARC'S favorite slogan: "Forget about the past" in this case, if you wish to heal, a certain amount of RUMINATION will be necessary in order for you to process.

Tanatamout to healing is educating yourself on NPD; however I do caution, try not to become obsessed with your education. Learn enough to understand what it is, process it, then begin the journey of healing. It is okay to be a victim for a period of time, it is okay to feel sad, angry, enraged...it's okay to lick your wounds and let it all hang out...but there is also a time to pick yourself up by the bootstraps and begin the work of recovery.

Ballpark estimate, 18 months - this is not a hop skip and a jump; however, having gone through the process, and following Lisa E. Scott's Six Steps in the Path Forward I can say that if you approach the work in earnest, planting seeds along the way, the harvest will be plentiful...

Hugs,
Michele115

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Sep 14 - 11PM
Jannie In the Sun
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Thank YOU!

Thank you for another fabulous post! Grabbing my bootstraps and I'm kicking A#$!
Aug 20 - 1AM
shine on
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I ruminate so often about

I ruminate so often about things my N husband has said and done. Sometimes I don't even hear what others are saying to me because I am stuck in what he said 2 weeks ago that made absolutely no sense whatsoever....once again I am trying to make sense of the senseless....wanting so much to give him the benefit of the doubt because facing the truth is way too dark...too ugly. I hate it when I do that...let him take my mind over when other far more caring people only want a moment of my time to listen to what they have to say...but it's like I just can't control it. Once my mind is fixated on trying to figure him out, it's like a drug that has ahold of me and won't let go. For years I had thought that I just needed to stop analyzing things so much. I blamed myself...told myself I wasn't being a good wife to not trust in what he told me more even though no one could have made sense of his nonsense. For the time being, I am still married. I am trying to figure out what to do. You see, we have a daughter that is 19 and a son who is about to turn 13. I am scared to divorce him because even if my husband only saw him every other weekend, I would be scared to death for our son to get in a vehicle with him. My husband falls asleep very very easily at the wheel. Just the other day, he brought that up in an argument.....he said, "You don't even want me to take the kids anywhere cause you are scared I will fall asleep" he said this in a very sarcastic way. I said, "but you do go to sleep easily and remember, that is how you wrecked your truck just a few weeks ago." I mean, this man does not need to be out on the road! So, as long as I stay married, I can be positive that our son won't ride with him, but once we are divorced, I am certain he will take him wherever he wants...if for no other reason, just to bother me! Any support on this subject would be much appreciated...I feel like I have to be stuck here til our son turns 16 where he can drive himself everywhere. It is so painful to see that my husband doesn't even worry that he can't stay awake on the road...doesn't worry about innocent people on the road...doesn't even worry about his son! I drive everywhere when we are together...only time I don't is when I have no idea where a place is and then I am either watching his eyes or watching the road to make sure he doesn't get us killed. It is a terrible existence...but what can I do? There have been times I have thought that he pretends to be falling asleep just to keep me anxious....just don't see how he is still alive with all the times he nearly runs in the ditch or he is way over on the other side of the highway! Thanks for listening everyone! This is a great place to be.
Aug 8 - 8PM
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thanks, lol

Michele, I ruminate and worry, and now I will worry about my ruminating, and tomorrow I will ruminate about my worrying! I don't want to get out of this mess an angry resentful man. And it isn't gonna happen that way. I will stay in the feelings whenever possible as they come up. Today had in it a perfect example of how my recovery is working. I texted my kid today as she is with the exwn for several days. They are on a trip and my kid texted they were having a great day at a theme park. Fo r awhile I was sad that the three of us weren't there as a family. Then after awhile I remembered how difficult our family outings usually were. They were chaotic and stressful. Truth be known the narc bored the shit out me when she wasn't frustrating the shit out of me, and it had been that way for years. What I was missing today was the idea and dream of having a great family outing with my child. And my kid and I do many fun cool things together since the divorce. My x even could make halloween a pain in the ass. A simple picnic would be a major ordeal. So I sometimes miss the dream of what I wanted my family to be, but the reality is it sucked being married to her, and I am glad she is gone. She did me a favor cheating on me, and for that gift of freedom alone I am grateful. It was time for me to move on, and she made that necessary. And I also hurt bad for a long time due to the rejection and the abandonment. Cogdiss central in this head. Anyway, today kinda sucked and I was sad and lonely, but some bad days come with having a life and being alive, and also make the good happy ones that much more appreciated and cherished. God bless all of you wonderful supportive friends.. ds
Aug 8 - 10PM (Reply to #7)
michele115 (not verified)
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DS

Everything you've expressed is so natural and normal, and you said it...they bore the $hit out of you, they really do. I often remember things and now instead of pain I'm like THANK YOU GOD!!! I'm finally out of the mess...it could have been a lifetime. I remember at times asking myself...how the heck to people make marriage work? BUT what this says to me especially in hindsight and becomming educated, is that these individuals, WERE NOT FOR US, and we knew that on some level, we just couldn't see it. DS, the days will get consistently better. We have this 'ability' to feel and so we will need some time to heal, but the beautiful thing I believe is like you said, the bad times help us to appreciate the good, and the more we work on ourselves, if it is a desire, I believe we will one day attract the right person... All the best and you are doing a really fine job...it is so comforting to have the ability to interact with a male, it serves as validation that NO, not ALL men are evil, just the disordered ones. I really am there, I don't think I ever did 'hate' men even when going through the Narc crisis...I knew that this was an exception to the rule, and in jest I may throw a jab...but it is equally important that we as victims recognize the distinction. Yes, there does seem to be a lot of pathology running rampant; however, we can choose to stay stuck in one place, or we can follow the steps as suggested by Lisa, which for me worked, and really try to broaden our horizons and grow. On the other side, although still a work in progress, I can say I have walked away and do not necessarily feel this was all in vain... I wish there was an easier pain free way to get to where I am, but it is what we choose to do with the experience in the aftermath. Hugs!
Aug 8 - 6PM
Susan32
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Triangulation&the next victim

The ex-Psych prof flaunting his girlfriend at the end of the final D&D was the LAST STRAW... but I had the AWARENESS by then to use his triangulation against him (since he&his wife have been together for a decade, I can now use it against him) I REFUSED to let him triangulate me against the woman who had given up her job&moved to be with him. She gave up A LOT. More than I had. By then, I KNEW he wanted to me to kill myself or attempt it.. but I thought,"At least if I'm ALIVE, I KNOW how can drive him nuts. Death is a big gamble. Not worth it. He's not worth killing myself over. I can kick him just for the fun of it." When I realized the depth of the sickness of his tactics, I used his very weaknesses against him. No wonder he was drinking down beer at the senior skit. His plot to triangulate failed. I have NEVER spoken ill of his girlfriend/wife. I NEVER attempt suicide. I deprived him of those ego boosts, out of self-preservation, and for the extra kick of watching him suffer narcissistic injuries. I knew he wasn't capable of suffering because of what he did to ME (you know, lack of empathy)... but I knew I could make him suffer narcissistic injuries&he was my little experiment. Sometimes Ns get a dose of their own medicine. I doubled his dose (and acted like nothing happened)
Aug 8 - 11AM
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I am so very happy this was able to put things in perspective

This was something I struggled with as well early on... I am equally thankful for the information, validaton and support of my peers on the Path Forward forum and Lisa E. Scott as well. I can testify, we can and do get past this... I wish each of you only the best on your journey and will continue to try to do my best to find resources and information to help shed 'light' on all that has left us baffled and in the fog. Hugs!
Aug 8 - 5PM (Reply to #4)
blindfaith
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michele 115

Thankyou very much for posting this! I cant tell you how happy i am to find out im not the only one that does this!
Aug 8 - 6AM
Layla
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I never stop being amazed.........

.....at how much I continue to nod in agreement on this site. For so long, felt so alone, and so "crazy".........this was brilliant and beautifully written TRUTH.
Aug 8 - 4AM
freaked
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Michelle, thank you so MUCH

Michelle, thank you so MUCH for this post... it helped calm my mind. HUGS to dear friend..
Aug 8 - 4AM
StudentOfLife
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Michelle, thank you so much

Michelle, thank you so much for this post this morning! Especially needed to read this: " The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance." -- because have found myself "ruminating" quite a lot, trying to make sense of it all and questioning WHY on earth am i still thinking about it so much? Why am i still giving him that power to take up space in my thoughts? Feeling frustrated about it. No, it's not to the terrible point of consuming my world the way it did when with the Narc, and that annoying and embarrassing eye twitch i had developed is finally gone now that i am away from him, thank goodness! It's so good to know, and hear it put in these terms, that it's really normal to *ruminate* after what we've been through. Wonderful post. Much gratitude! xo