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#1 Jul 5 - 4PM
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Obsession

Dealing with your own and other's--a few things I've learned over the past decade:

(1) Don't tell someone who is in the grip of an obsession to "just get over it". If she could she would. When the obsessed individual gets this response, they feel ashamed, awkward and inadequate...all feelings that drive the obsessio in the first place. You just made it worse!

(2) Don't automatically take the other person's side, for "perspective". Playing the devil's advocate in some situations can be helpful. However when someone is in the grip of a severe obsession it's usually because they have suffered a brute injury to their core being. The lion's share of the responsibility usually rests with exactly who they claim it rests with.

(3) If the obsessed is in a state of perpetual irritation, perhaps their ego was just bruised. However, if they have been thoroughly traumatized and are grieving, take notice.

As a matter of fact sit right up and shut up and listen. Oh, and btw, listen again and again and again. If you're unwilling to do this without issuing useless bromides that ignore the specifics of their situation, while managing to somehow flatter yourself, you aren't much of a friend.

(4) What you want to do is have the obsessed lie down on a couch with a comfy pillow. Put some soothing music on for them. Light some candles. Cook some dinner and try to find another friend to look after their kids, if they have any. Take a blanket and gently cover them and then run your hand slowly through their hair. Tell them you'll be there for them and then be there.

(5) We live in a disposable society. Throw away friends, family, acquaintances and everything else. The entire culture has a narcissistic edge. Anything we can do to make the obsessed regain their sense of indispensable personhood is crucial. And it's a two way street. What we sow, so shall we reap.

Much love to all of my rightfully obsessed sisters and brothers! ER

Jul 8 - 6PM
Susan32
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Doesn't this also apply to the N/P?

As much as I was obsessed with the ex-Psych prof, the same could be said of HIM. Apparently he talked about me CONSTANTLY to his colleagues (on top of having an LDR girlfriend)... and they distanced themselves. He was so obsessed about me dating that I heard, thru the grapevine, that he was talking about it IN CLASS to my classmates. They thought it was out of bounds (and I told him) because it wasn't applicable to class, and he wasn't my boyfriend. During the final D&D, he would tell me how he was talking to one of my professors and said I was doing well-he seemed happy for me. It was surreal. He wanted to be the Daddy figure who was watching over me. (This professor has since left, because his wife got a teaching job in Oregon, he's now in Canada, and he&the wife have an LDR) Even after the final D&D, he was BEGGING for my home address/phone number (I never gave them-just promised them a lot) He'd accuse me of being obsessed with him. In "Anna Karenina", both the main character, Anna, and Princess Kitty, are married to men old enough to be their fathers. Alexei is obsessed with "punishing" Anna for her inappropriate behavior. He lacks the ability to let go-he forgives her- but it isn't real. He cares more about Anna acting properly than being moral. At one point, Dolly, Anna's friend, calls Alexei a machine (the ex-P was called a robot, close enough) When Constantin Levin courts Kitty, he is obsessed with her. Leo Tolstoy uses the word "obsessed." He idealizes her. When reality hits, he can't deal with it. In "War and Peace", Pierre is obsessed with Natasha (whom he eventually marries). Yet Tolstoy holds up obsession as Ideal Love, in the cases of Pierre/Natasha and Constantin/Kitty. The ex-P's fascination with Tolstoy was illuminating. It was like the ball of thread that led Theseus&Ariadne out of the labyrinth. Over 4 years, the ex-P was obsessed with me, but he didn't LOVE me. And, if your Narc compared you to ex-wives/ex-girlfriends, you were LUCKY! He compared me to fictional characters- Anna, Lisa&Natasha from "War and Peace"-NOT to real people. At least being compared to a real person has grounding in... reality.
Jul 8 - 8AM
SusieSwizzle
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This is So True

I was just Hoovered and D&D in a matter of a month..and though Im not in the state of shock that I was in where I was in an emotional comatose for a month, reading up on Narcissism, I feel inadequate, unpretty, and everything else in between bc he is still with his unemployed, Obese OW. Yes I know its not her fault. But seeing what he chose before and yet again over me, makes me feel as if everything I am is nothing. Of course I obsess over it. How could I not? How could anyone not? We've been taken on a rollercoaster ride of lies, cons, bullshit, and manipulation to serve as his Blowup Doll...and then when we seek respect, it's just "TOO MUCH" for him...and so he leaves...I gave my N a month to change bc I said 'MAYBEEEE hes not a N...MAYBEEEE hes just been through alot in his life...' I mean, he came back apologizing, right? But for me. Our argument was time. He never gave me any time. He gave me crumbs. And I was supposed to be happy with that, and I was supposed to accept it without argument...and as for the people who say GET OVER IT? Yes, thats been everyone in my life who knew about he and I. They all thought that I was just holding on. And I was. But he was feeding me so much Bullshit, aside from seeing OW, it almost made me feel like I had to prove myself worthy. Worthy. To a man who makes 1/4 my salary. Who is miserable. Who is mean. Who mocked me. Who treated this unemployed Fatso like a Queen. I dont get it. I just dont get it. So yea. Obessing is terrible. These bastards kill us inside. And our friends/family dont serve to make it feel ANY BETTER....AT ALL...bc they just think hes "a jerk"---but I know..we all know - its deeper than that...hes disordered...and they didnt have to obsess over finding out why he is the Monster he is..and always will be...I hope he dies...a slow death...
Jul 8 - 3AM
gettinbetter
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Wow! I have had a real

Wow! I have had a real problem with obsession. Luckily when I started to see my therapist she told be straight up you are dealing with a little ocd and obsession and wanted me to see a psychiatrist to get the proper medication and dosage. She said right now your mind is all over the place with this. We need to quiet your mind down a bit so you can begin to think a bit more clearly. The psychiatrist did not reccomend anything like xanax. He just put me on a stronger dosage of my anti deppresant. He said the dosage I was on was ample for depression but not anxiety. I must say it has helped immensley. I still think about him tons but its not those frantic thoughts. I just let the thoughts come and go. I agree with ER its a slow process on untangling things
Jul 6 - 10PM
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More thoughts on obsession

Thanks to all of you for all the wonderful comments. Everyone has so much to share, so much fresh perspective. We really are amazing. Yeay us! NEVER feel guilty about obsession. It's part of the healing process. Doing things like driving by the narc's place trying to figure out if he's there or not, who he's with, etc.. etc... is something we all do and eventually get past. We end up driving by your own desire to drive by!! Give yourself time, patience and compassion. Mine lives in a land far far away, and soon it will be long long ago, just like a fairy tale. Unfortunately, turned out he wasn't the prince but a handsome and cruel warlock. Damn. I hate when that happens! Driving by wasn't an option for me. I did consult his horoscope regularly hoping craving for even the hint of a sign that he might be hit by a truck that week. I did online tarot spreads asking about the state of his relationship with his wife, hoping beyond hope that she had kicked him out. I did this every day for like 2 months. I eventually quit because it bored me. And indeed, he bores me now too. The very thought of him fills me with ennui, where once it made me want to tear my hair out with grief. I was really afraid I was going to become an alcoholic and a bald one! How charming would that be?! Rule #6 NEVER tell the obsessed, grief stricken, "he never thinks about you so why are you thinking about HIM all the time?" Of course we think about the narc all of the time. He was the biggest part of our lives. If you lived on a precarious ledge overhanging the Grand Canyon for the length of time you were in love or with a narc, do you think that image might stay with you for awhile? The fact that he might not be thinking about us at all, doesn't quell obsessive thoughts. It fuels them. It's gut wrenching. Thinking or not thinking about someone isn't an exercise in mental symmetry. The process of detaching from anyone, particularly a narc, shouldn't involve the severing of a bond If we worked towards that end we would be well on the way to narcissism ourselves. What we do is unravel the bond slowly, like a ball of string, examining weaknesses, fraying irregularities, discrepancies between what we observed and what we were told. Another visual that might help is to consider the relationship with the narc like a journey through dangerous territory, even if we didn't realize at the time just how treacherous the path was. When the relationship terminated, we had to walk mindfully backwards to the beginning of the path, examining the minutia, mentally documenting the hazards along the way, trying to recall the harmless details that turned out to be major red flags. This we do for our survival. The obsession does serve a purpose. Having examined the narc and ourselves in relationship to them, we are likely NEVER to become involved with this type again. And in summation, I just gotta say... Bravo to all of you obsessed weirdos!
Jul 5 - 9PM
rosedewittbukater
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Great post

Like chicken soup for the (obsessed) soul. Very insightful. I wish I had someone like number 4 in my life. Thanks for sharing.
Jul 5 - 7PM
tresor2
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Grips of Obsession & Pain

Thanks for your post. I remember the time, a few yrs. ago when I was in the darkest of dark places behind the D & D. My body physically ached and I felt totally hopeless, empty, and devastated. I was struggling with finding meaning in life and suffering on all levels. I confided in one of my few friends who was a life coach and her response was, "You should read the book, "He's Just Not That Into You." When she said that, the black empty hole in my gut felt like it was going to consume me. I was so hurt that I became nausiated and a panic set in. I became sick and for a brief moment, thought of doing myself in because the pain was unbearable. I also became angry at her for the comment but, I realize now she simply didn't get it. An obsessed person, during the worst of it, has more going on than just an obsession. They're dealing with betrayal, deceipt, loss of dreams and hope, loss of self esteem and a multitude of other emotions. They're constantly analyzing and trying to make sense of the unexplainable behavior. They blame themselves and begin the process of self-devaluation. They feel guilty and have lost their soul to the N. Now their identity is gone. The N has successfully re-opened and brought out every existing wound and injury to the surface. Sometimes they are wounds we've been supressing since early childhood. I no longer discuss my N history or my other bad relationships with anyone who doesn't understand N's and other psychopaths, even therapists (and I am one), most of whom don't get it. My last therapist said that it was OK for me to see the N now and then and concluded that the only thing wrong with him was that he is a liar. The concept of NC was foreign to her. People who haven't done the work end up causing more harm than good when it comes to advice. They may also have their own unsolved issues that they incorporate into their thinking and opinions.
Jul 7 - 10PM (Reply to #10)
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Tresor

Your post made me ache with sadness for what you have gone through. My brother informed me that "people go through this all the time and that it had been a whole month since the D andD so why couldn't I just get over it. We are trying to make sense of the apparently senseless. If we can't get a handle on it,it makes hash of our world view. We strip ourselves of all power, control and autonomy if we relinquish the deep work of understanding the narcissist. "Moving on" prematurely leaves us feeling that all of human behaviour is capricious random and unpredictable. "Just getting over it" is no way to live and makes it impossible to gain greater compassion and wisdom through examining it from every possible angle.
Jul 5 - 10PM (Reply to #7)
strivingforhealing (not verified)
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Thank you for sharing what IS my pain

I left him this time. actually it is usually me. but i am tortured by obsession, 5 weeks into no contact. and I am finding that my therapist is not the right one for me. she does not understand the depth of hell and mind fu@#$$ being in a relationship with a N. will cause. I need 100% support- like a intravenous drip of understanding from those who get me,in this critical phase. I am a good kind woman who has a solid career, but this relationship has stolen my soul and to many of my friends- they don't get it. and then I feel worse when they make comments that diminish my experience. I have no problem staying away from him. but the obsessive thinking and checking is still at a high level and it debilitates my mind. I can't eat. I sleep too long. I cry all the time. I drink too much. anything to dull the obsession. I left him, I told him I needed space. but he is onto the next supply, I am sure. that is why he is not pursuing me. I just hope and pray when he does come back to seduce, I am strong enough to not even answer the door.
Jul 7 - 10PM (Reply to #8)
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Striving--ARe you taking any

Striving--ARe you taking any medication? I am, and it has helped. I take 3 different sleep meds to insure I get deep sleep. This is strengthening and it puts the obsession to sleep for a time, too. You are experiencing the very worst of it. 5 weeks, huh? That was when the worst started for me. I will say a prayer for you. I know it must sound ridiculous at this point, but is there anything you can look forward to, at this point? Sometimes mindless repetetive behaviour like knitting works. When I was in my worst phase, I used to reflect on cartoons that portrayed the insane cutting out paper dolls,one after the other. I'd never understood that before, but I do now. Art therapy is excellent too. That kind of physical expression I feel intuitively, can lead to a desire to dance. Once you are dancing in body, it is much easier to dance in mind. LoveER
Jul 8 - 12AM (Reply to #9)
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meds, therapy, and nothing much to look forward to...

Hi ER. I am taking an anti anxiety as needed. which is about twice a week- for when the panic is totally intense. I don't like it though because it makes me just want to sleep and yes, I take a very very light dose. The one area i don't have a problem with, THANK GOD, is sleeping at night. I am so wiped out from the mental anguish. I sleep 9 hours! I am in therapy, meditate daily, read good spiritual texts.. I have a vacation planned in October. but nothing soon to look forward to . I had a wonderful dinner with a good friend tonight who understands this pain and obsession. that was good for my heart. but I also know, from past experience ( many previous NC's), that I just have to endure this part. I have to do everything possible to develop a very strong discipline of no checking, no looking, no talking about even ( except here and with my therapist). all of this other behavior keeps me ensnared in the web of darkness. I am so tired. but I know I can keep pushing through. I am so glad I found all of you dear ones.
Jul 5 - 9PM (Reply to #6)
fearofuncertainty
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beyond pain

"They're dealing with betrayal, deceipt, loss of dreams and hope, loss of self esteem and a multitude of other emotions. They're constantly analyzing and trying to make sense of the unexplainable behavior. They blame themselves and begin the process of self-devaluation." "People who haven't done the work end up causing more harm than good when it comes to advice." The above quotes vividly describe the helpless and hopeless state of mind that is far beyond physical searing pain. To live without a soul like a zombie and with nothing to look forward to is the worst aftermath of such dramatic relationship. Those who would only proclaim hypocritical opinions are close to doing evil deeds to a wounded heart. Thanks for sharing and I couldn't agree more...live on, move on!!!
Jul 5 - 5PM
Kiwi2005
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enpsychopedia romantica

LOVE THIS! I was in a serious relationship with someone who has OCD. He actually called me today to tell me how he misses the way I "treated" his OCD- the newbie just doesn't get it. So... Awesome advice!
Jul 5 - 5PM (Reply to #2)
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Thanks Kiwi!

Obsessive compulsive disorder and simple obsession are related but not quite the same. Any trauma, like torture by a narc can trip neuro-typicals into an obsessive loop. However, when we are in these obsessive loops it can sure help us to understand and feel compassion for those who have actual OCD, the neurological disorder, huh? I have a friend with severe OCD and I just sit and listen to him and try to draw him out and reduce any feelings of awkwardness or shame about it.
Jul 5 - 5PM (Reply to #3)
Kiwi2005
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ER

Oh there's nothing to be ashamed about! We all have a tendency to obsess, but their's on a different level. It's amazing how the human mind works... just amazing!
Jul 5 - 6PM (Reply to #4)
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What surprises me, given the

What surprises me, given the incredible complexity of both brain and body, is that we are able to function at all; that we aren't all complete basket cases! With that in mind, we are all doing just amazingly well, aren't we?