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#1 Oct 5 - 8PM
malloryforest
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I need a little help in an area. One of my children will not talk to their father on the phone. He is in preschool. In the last six weeks, he has talked to his father only twice, maybe three times. When his dad calls, he either gets angry or he is sad. He will push the phone away, or hang up the phone, or walk away. I put his dad on speaker phone so that my son will at least hear his voice. Sometimes my son covers his ears. The couple of times he did talk, he seemed really happy to talk to him.

My STBX is frustrated. I don't blame him for feeling that way. I would be frustrated also. Sometimes I feel like the STBX is upset with me for not forcing our son to talk. He says that he is young, and I shouldn't let my son decide if he is or is not going to talk to his father. I understand what he is saying, but I also feel whether he is young or not, he has a right to his feelings. I am also concerned that if I force him to talk, it will backfire and my son will want to talk to his dad even less.

I have tried talking to my son when we are alone. He won't say much except that somedays he feels like talking, and some days he just doesn't feel like talking.

If anyone has advice on how to handle this situation, I would be happy to hear. It is a delicate line.

Oct 6 - 7AM
grossot
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mallory

Way to go! All that you are going through and you are able to be a strong mommy for your son with all the right answers. At this rate he doesn't need the role of his P father in his life- you are both mother and father to him. Maybe your excellent parenting skills are partially why he doesn't feel comfortable around his father. He doesn't need that monster so long as you are in his life. In psalm 31 the Bible says children rise up and called their mother blessed. I find that drawing pictures help. My daughter draws faces (happy, angry, sad, surprised, frustrated) and we talk about times we feel these emotions. I instituted this because she continually makes faces (similar to her father's hypnotic stare) at my mother, father and brother who we live with. She gets corrected of course. Playing doll house helps her get some feelings out that she may feel she can't do in her father's presence. I know you have a boy but I thought it wouldn't hurt to tell you that. ~Give a Narc an inch and they become the ruler~ nolongercontrolled
Oct 5 - 10PM
Barbara (not verified)
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NanC

go to your attorney TOMORROW DEMAND they set up a temporary visitation schedule now you should not be putting your child through all this instability DEMAND don't ask DEMAND sole custody Make SURE all child support payments go thru the STATE FUND not directly to you. The state should deal with him: http://www.oag.state.tx.us/cs/ TELL YOUR ATTORNEY IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS YOU WANT SOLE CUSTODY AND THIS MAN IS PLAYING GAMES WITH YOUR CHILD AND HER TIME as well as LYING. Take ALL your detailed documentation about when he called, what he said, etc. with you. DO NOT LET YOUR ATTORNEY BLOW YOU OFF OR TELL YOU TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE. DO NOT BE "NICE" - if your attorney tells you there's nothing he/she can do? FIRE THEM. Get a bulldog on this NOW or he will continue to play games. http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/child-custody-and-visitation.html Finally - call her pediatrician and GET HER INTO THERAPY WITH A REPUTABLE CHILD COUNSELOR IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is up to you to FIGHT him every single inch of the way. No matter what he accuses you of DO NOT ENGAGE HIM. YOU: "You weren't here. You aren't here by 6p on Friday forget it." HIM: you don't tell her when I call YOU: "You weren't here. You aren't here by 6p on Friday forget it." HIM: you're a bitch - this is not fair to me YOU: "You weren't here. You aren't here by 6p on Friday forget it." HIM: you're keeping my child from me YOU: "Call my attorney. Their number is XXX-XXXX." HIM: I am not going to do this! YOU: Every text, etc - SAME THING. "You weren't here. You aren't here by 6p on Friday forget it. Call my attorney: xxx-xxxx" Like a mantra - NO MATTER WHAT HE SAYS DO NOT ENGAGE HIM. NO emotion, no TALKING it out. NADA. get off his TREADMILL and stop engaging in his games. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Pathologicals only discard the best, most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They despise the strong, principled, decent & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation of your worth!" - A.V.
Oct 5 - 10PM
NanC (not verified)
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Barbara, Help!!!

Ex N didn't show up for visitations this weekend. Fourth opportunity for him to see her since we went to court, and didn't show up. He says he's working out of town and can't be in til 8:00 on Saturday nights. That's not my problem. I sent him a text today and told him if he wasn't here by 6:30 on Fridays, he wasn't going to get her at all. I told him I was not going to adjust my schedule for him...those days are over." He called 9:00 on Sunday night,after his weekend with his "supply", I'm sure on his way back out of town. (Probably bored while driving!)He wanted to talk to daughter. I texted him and told him, "its 9:00 at night, she's asleep already!. I told him that he can call her on Wednesdays at 7:00 and that she needed consistency. He left me an ugly voice mail saying that he left me, so on and so forth and that I say our daughter needs consistency (it was a stupid message, going around in circles about different topics). Anyway, bottom line is, he was accusing me of not telling our daughter that he's been calling for her. He hadn't called all last week. All of a sudden, he gets this wild hair up his butt and decides he needs to speak to her. He called Sunday night and now again tonight. I think that if I hadn't set a time and day, like "Wednesdays at 7:00", he would have already dropped it, but since he doesn't have control of the situation, he's going crazy!...Umm,Now what do I do?? I know you said to text him my lawyer's # but I had to let him know that I would not be allowing him to take her if he wasn't here on time and I didn't want him promising her anything and her be disappointed cause I will not be allowing her to go with him. Ok, I'm sorry for not listening, but please tell me what to do now...I'm listening!
Oct 5 - 10PM (Reply to #11)
malloryforest
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NanC

I just reread your story. I would fight for sole custody. This man does not deserve to be around your daughter. Document everything. Stick to your boundaries, and fight for sole custody. Your daughter deserves to never have to interact with that bastard.
Oct 5 - 10PM (Reply to #10)
malloryforest
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NanC

He hasn't shown up for his visitations? You have a right to a set schedule. Your daughter has a right and a need for a set schedule. How does she feel security, love and trust when she isn't given a reliable schedule? Your STBXNH is not thinking about your daughter at all. How can he just leave her there waiting for him to show up for visitation. I am not a custody expert, but I believe you don't even have to be around if he doesn't show up at his scheduled times. Document everything. Tell your lawyer everything. Tell your daughter's therapist everything. If she isn't in therapy, I would get her into therapy immediately. She needs to understand in her core that the problem is NOT her, but her father. You have a total right to demand a set schedule for your daughter including visits and phone calls. If he misses the visit or the phone call, then document it. He keeps it up, I don't know if he will get the luxury of visitations at all. Give your daughter a great big hug and keep on reminding her that there is a lot of genuine, unconditional love all around her, and she deserves it all.
Oct 5 - 8PM
NanC (not verified)
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Don't Make Him....

Talk to him. He doesn't owe his father anything and neither do you. If he doesn't want to talk to him, he shouldn't have to. My exN would get so upset when our daughter didn't want to talk to him. She just simply doesn't care to talk to on the phone. Not with him or anyone else for that matter. It's not your job to make him (N) feel secure. Who gives a rat's ass about him?? Your son will talk to him when he feels like it. I went through the same thing with my daughter. I would ask her if she wanted to talk to her Dad. Sometimes she says yes and sometimes she says no. Of course, I get blamed for it, but I don't care anymore. I used to try to get her to talk to him but she'd refuse. She would cover her ears too. I don't know about your exN, but mine is not consistent about anything. If he had a routine to where she'd expect a call, that would be different, but it's just when he feels like playing Daddy does he call. Just tell your exN that he doesn't like to talk on the phone. Make some excuse that your mother called and wanted to talk to him too and he refused. Hopefully, the idiot will fall for it...
Oct 5 - 8PM
quietude (not verified)
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your son

He's in preschool and he is expected to act like a mature adult?? I'm sorry, but that kid is smarter than he's given credit for. Kids know BAD when they hear & see it. I am so glad a PRE-SCHOOLER KNOWS HOW TO STAND UP FOR HIMSELF, wow, what a kid. HE IS YOUNG, he shouldn't have this kind of PRESSURE TO PREFORM for his father to appease him!!!!! He ain't having it, and I don't even know the child, but being a parent of two boys, I'm really proud of him. Mallory, you are right to say your child has a right to his feelings! These kids have been through a LOT, now that they're mostly away from the monster, don't make them keep facing him. Give them a chance to be innocent children as they are. Don't let them grow up and wonder why they had to defend themselves and be forced to DEAL WITH THE DEVIL --- WHICH IS WHAT YOUR STBX IS...and Mommy, do not let the stbx intimidate you anymore! I wouldn't be saying this if I wasn't aware of the HELL this 'thing' has put you through...I've been listening to your story for a long time. Sorry, this might not be what you wanted to hear, but this was hard to read...
Oct 5 - 9PM (Reply to #2)
malloryforest
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mature adult

He is always expected to act like a mature adult by my STBXNH. I am happy for your responses. I don not want to force my son to talk to his father. He is an incredibly bright, articulate, caring child. I believe he does have a complete right to his feelings. It is not his job to take care of his daddy's feelings. He is only responsible to himself.
Oct 5 - 9PM (Reply to #5)
Barbara (not verified)
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your son

never force him! your STBXPH is responsible for HIS OWN FEELINGS - and any true parent wouldn't force a child. Your child is not responsible for his feelings. God only knows why your child doesn't want to talk to him - but your child probably knows something is wrong. Your STBXPH needs to be in parenting classes (not that they'd do any good) and this all needs to be documented and reported to lawyer, therapist, etc. Discuss this with your son's therapist at length and be sure his father's need to FORCE HIM TO LISTEN (the way he tries to force YOU to listen, mallory? hint hint?) is DOCUMENTED. One of my kids is ADD and is not to have medication past 9:30am. Over this weekend exNH gave the meds at 11am because HE can't deal with the non-medicated ADD symptoms. She was quite sick the next day. I made SURE her doctor knew and it was all documented. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Pathologicals only discard the best, most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They despise the strong, principled, decent & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation of your worth!" - A.V.
Oct 5 - 10PM (Reply to #6)
malloryforest
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Putting him to sleep

Tonight, I put my son to sleep. As he was falling to sleep, he asked if he could talk to me. He told me that he gets really sad when daddy comes to visit and I leave him. He asked if i would stay with him when his daddy comes to visit so that he won't get sad. I never realized that he was sad at those moments. I brought up talking on the telephone. He told me once again that sometimes he feels like talking to daddy and other times he doesn't feel like talking to daddy. I explained to him that it was okay. He had a right to his feelings. I let him know that if there are times that he does want to talk to his dad, he can let me know and I would call him for him. If he didn't want to talk to his dad, that was fine also. He gave me a hug, and said he will see how he feels in the morning. I will let his therapist know about what has transpired this evening, and I will also let the lawyer know.
Oct 6 - 6AM (Reply to #7)
4joys (not verified)
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What a good mom! I was going

What a good mom! I was going to suggest a therapist because of his sad feelings, but I see you have one. Good job.
Oct 5 - 9PM (Reply to #3)
quietude (not verified)
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mallory

You go, mallory! Give that kiddo a big squeeze ~ he knows he has ONE really great parent!
Oct 5 - 10PM (Reply to #4)
Lisa E. Scott
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Mallory

I agree with Quietude. He's a smart kid and he's entitled to his feelings. He is certainly not responsible for his dad's feelings. Tell dad to get over himself. Geezh. He's unreal.