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#1 Sep 19 - 9PM
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PERVERSION

One day I was clicking on something and some porn site came up, I went to x out of it but then I hesitated, I glanced at the pics for all you who noted your Narc frequented porn alot, here is quick fix that will no doubt really piss you off.

As I looked at the disgusting filth, two men one woman, two women, two women one man, one woman surrounded by 4 men covered in well I will leave that up to you to figure out...... I thought this is what MANY of them do and this is what mine was and is doing as I sat many many months crying, betrayed, life shattered over a piece of scum, shit bag like that. Gee no wonder he got bored with me.

I cried, looking at it but I also realized beneath that charm, and mask they are nothing but filthy animals who love to watch and degrade women. So if you want a graphic example of what many of your dream men partake in pull up a porn site and take a glance at who they really are and think of the GF who is at home alone in bed, or out of town or at work and see what their precious narc likes to do behind their back, and what they do behind our back and they go home or call us like nothing happened and they can lay their heads on their pillows at night and sleep like babies

most are into porn but dont think for a minute they arent participating in it too, just something to help us go NC with these scum bags, when you want to call them, when you miss them go look them up on a porn site you will think twice about missing them, at least I have

Sep 21 - 6AM
MissM
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is it me?

i find myself having fleeting moments of self doubt where I question my judgement of.. Him owning his own sex toys What, if anything, i ever meant to him Is any of this his fault seeing as he 'warned' me he didn't want a relationship His 9 year relationship that ended last year with a woman who cheated on him throughout (her new lover moved in soon after) just has me questioning the fact that he IS capable of love and being hurt.. so is this all my fault, getting caught up with a man reckessly on the rebound with a terrible opinion of all women? I know, intellectually, this doesn't equate. But emotionally, I keep thinking it.
Sep 21 - 6AM (Reply to #20)
Barbara (not verified)
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MissM - hell no, it's not you

http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/03/20/cognitive-dissonance-obsessional-thoughts http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/03/24/wolves-sheeps-clothing http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/03/28/should-i-react-way http://www.cosmicwalk.co.za/games-doubt.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Narc Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Sep 20 - 11AM
MissM
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Why didn't I question it?

running low on battery but will say this. He owned and kept hidden in a rucksack: huge dble ended dildo medical speculum packs of pingpong balls for insertion Poppers He tried to coerce me into a 3sum with 'this bird who pops up on my phone from time to time saying she wants to bum me' I was in denial. My exN was v obsessed with porn and made latest N seem 'normal'. Why is it hazy still, knowing ALL of this.
Sep 20 - 1PM (Reply to #14)
cynthia (not verified)
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classy

huge dble ended dildo medical speculum packs of pingpong balls for insertion Poppers He should use these things on himself, I can think of a place he should insert them too, ha ha Its hazy because its sooooo bizarre and sick and twisted we dont want to believe it was real, just like a porn site take a look at what they do, the fake strap ons the women use, one man behind them while they are pleasing the one standing in front of them like the woman is some dog. It helped me tremendously to look at that porn site and know this is what these freaks want, and the really smart and good looking ones are love thieves and frauds portraying to be the dream man we always wanted, oh but just you wait they have big plans for us. Mine never took me down that road, because if you went down that road you would only become what they try to turn us into for their sick pleasure,which makes me think the poor GF who is usually unaware, some are but the ones that dont know, just think who they are living their life with, in the end it doesnt matter how rich they are, what they have, how great they look, its just a rich sick good looking pervert who destroys and plays games with peoples lives that lead them to ruion. I was dumped because I didnt supply him with the perversion he wanted which is a blessing but what I struggle in the aftermath is recovering from the horrible betrayal I endured from this sick F--k!!!!! Iam not in pain over losing him I am in pain from what he did to me, and that will take a long long time to heal
Sep 20 - 1PM (Reply to #15)
MissM
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cynthia

he once inserted the ping pong balls inside me, i had no idea what he was doing he just told me to trust him. Later just as we were snuggling to go to sleep he said to me 'oh by the way you've got 4 ping pong balls in your c***'. I was beside myself in panic, he just laughed. And had to help me get them out, telling me to 'push down' and i swear he enjoyed it. Can't believe I just passed it off as him being him. Have they always been this way or does sth switch on (off?) in their head? To think i expected a normal relationship with him. And I thought he was sooo hurt and betrayed by his ex... He let it slip a long time ago he 'could be bicurious, never have tho'. He played it down/dismissed it when i brought it up again. I admit i would have gone along with knowing about his toys and sexual style if he'd given me honesty, love and fidelity. Why the hell did i not see this wd never be possible? Thing is, he wasn't totally sexual all of the time, unlike my previous N. Anyway, no excuses.
Sep 20 - 3PM (Reply to #16)
Barbara (not verified)
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talk about using you like an

talk about using you like an object! I hope you've seen a GYN since this and been checked out!! their brains and brain chemistry are LITERALLY OFF. They have been this way since birth and will not change. They can switch on the "mask of sanity" when they need it. what a sick freak he is. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Narc Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Sep 20 - 3PM (Reply to #17)
MissM
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Barbara

yes i had my usual smear test which would have brought up any abnormalities. I think. He once told me via text - before i stayed over at his for the first time - to think of his house as 'a new masturbation venue' and when i rang to ask what the hell he said that for he played it down as a joke and laughed it off. The disparity between this and his 'other' side (normal, self-effacing) is just awful.
Sep 20 - 3PM (Reply to #18)
Barbara (not verified)
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jekyll v. hyde

Psycho-Boy's disparty (Jekyll v. Hyde) http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/09/19/perversion#comment-11244 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Narc Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Sep 20 - 8AM
calamity-g
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porno and narcissist?

calamity gina Hi, I am confused. The first man I loved who was a serious narcissist was not into pornography at all. He was a unique one though. This is the only part of what I have read on this site that does not fit with this guy. Nearly 13 years after I left this nut, I got involved with another one! Now this one fits the bill 100%, especially with the pornography. The first time we had sex he began telling me about his only friend, while we were in the bed. Then he told me about a young woman who lived with his friend. Then he asked, Have you ever been with two men, or a woman and a man or had group sex? He wanted to bring his friends over! Of course he denied this when he discovered that I would not participate in this. I also found out that his friends were drug users yet my guy claimed he didn't use drugs. One day when I was fatigued, (I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) he asked me if I wanted some cocaine. I could not believe it! I am very thin and need to gain weight. What a horrible thing it would be for me to use and get addicted to drugs right? I ask him, "Would you actually give me cocaine if I asked for it?" "Why sure sweetie. I would do anything if it made you happy." I told him he was nuts and that I would never do cocaine and would instead rest! He always had his camera with him. Always begging me to take my clothes off for the camera. Well, on Valentines Day we were playing around and I was dancing to a funny song. It was all a joke in my mind but he got the camera out. He begged me, "C'mon, just take your blouse off, and then, "just your camisole," and then, "your bra." I told him no, and that I didn't want that. He said it was Valentine's day and could he just have one picture of me. Well-- thank goodness I never took it all off, but now I am wondering if he recorded me and I just didn't know it. I realized not long ago that he would often have me sit at my bar and he would question me about my past sexual history and activities. Well, my story was always the same b/c I was telling him the truth but now I think he may have been recording what I said. The man is not only a narcissist, I believe he is an absolute NUT. I have since discovered that he has a side business -- yup! Video recordings and nude photography! I hope I don't show up on the web one day. I don't know if it is legal to record someone who is not aware of it. I hope it is illegal. It should be. Even after I left the guy and saw him several months later he brought a video recorder with him. I had never once allowed this so I could not believe it. Well, my dog, he cornered this man when he walked over to the recorder. I had told him no way, NO WAY would he ever record me nude and esp., not during sex. This was after he got it that I was not going to have sex with him again anyway. I love my dog more now and did not think that was possible. So why? Why does this type of man want to have sex with groups and/or be recorded? Why?

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Sep 20 - 3PM (Reply to #12)
Barbara (not verified)
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calamity gina

two types of Narcissists. this should help (turn up your speakers) http://www.blogtalkradio.com/allabouthim/2009/06/11/All-About-Him-The-Two-Types-of-Narcissists why? he's SICK - he's warped - everyone of these pervs are. their BRAINS are different, sick sick sick http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2008/05/28/are-narcissists-warped-sexually http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/03/16/sex-narcissists-and-it-just-sex http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/04/29/when-sex-way-too-important http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/04/14/recovering-emotional-rape ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Narc Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Sep 19 - 10PM
Empathy
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Yep... they are perverted, sicko frieks....

i had to have sex with his friends and his brother and then if i didn't do it in the way 'he wanted me to" then i was a slut and didnt care about him!!!?? No matter what i did it was wrong.. not the way he imagined it to be in his little fairytale. I asked him to let me stop but he said I was being selfish!!! Ha!!! unfortunately for him..he pushed me to have sex with someone who actually love me... for me.... and so with his help i was able to leave my abusive marriage. that was six months ago and iam still going strong!!! Jo ROBINSON>
Sep 19 - 9PM
grossot
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cynthia

Thank you. Somehow this helps. There are so many of us on here; are there any men out there who are lovers not perverts? I worry a lot about being d&d'd again from someone else. Sick f**ks! ~Give a Narc an inch and they become the ruler~ nolongercontrolled
Sep 19 - 9PM (Reply to #8)
Cgrl
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Perversion

We were LD for a while. He use to send me porn. I remember the first time thinking- what the???? Then I just kind of let it go. I guess I thought all guys liked porn because me first narc of 15 years had a huge supply of porn mags hiding in his closet. I found them one day and of course he blamed them on his roommate at the time. He hated his mother and did not speak to her for six months when we first got together- I actually got them back together - imagine that now that I have all this information. All the crap from 15 years ago is comming back to haunt me as I am dealing with narc #2 now. Anyway - reading this made me think of something my most recent Narc said to me sometime ago - he said " I think a woman looks the most beautiful with a cock in her mouth". God man - You guys are really really waking me up and seeing how fucked up the last two years and four months of my life have been. I excused everything!!! I must be the biggest freaking pushover in this whole world. I just let him get away with it- sending me porn, dick pics. God man what a freak I fell in love with.
Sep 19 - 9PM (Reply to #9)
cynthia (not verified)
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gross

ya slimy freaks, they are gross = a woman looks good with a cock in her mouth, maybe he would look good with a cock in his mouth also, ha ha ha take a pic and have it framed and send it to his mother wouldnt she be proud. THey LOVE LD relationships so they can get by with more. NO IT IS NOT NORMAL to send porn to you, other guys ya, men sometimes do that, i FOR ONE hate porn it makes me feel dirty, cheap and and like a piece of meat, when a man is obsessed with porn that IS NOT a good sign, RUN RUN RUN, narc or no narc, dont feel bad mine would bring all sorts of sexual toys and they looked like something I would use to torture someone,
Sep 19 - 9PM
thisisnotfun
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Ditto

I caught mine on porn sites as well as Craig's list. He said "It's Craig's list what is the big fkin deal?" Got pissed and didn't talk to me for weeks. I know he was into porn, he would say strange things and it didn't seem what I did, he wasn't interested in me or sex with me. ??????? What sick puppies....
Sep 20 - 9AM (Reply to #6)
faith999
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craigs list

Oh yes,good old Craigs list. It got to the point that anytime my ex n would be on his laptop I would get this very sick uncomfortable feeling in the pit of my stomach.Turns out I should have trusted my gut! This is exactly what he would say to me"Honey,our window is still wide open but will start to close in the coming years so we need to do it all now(threesomes,me w/another guy etc) while we are still both hot." The only reason he feared aging was because he might have to slow down with the perversions because of being less desirable!!!I kid you not! I left him only a month ago but I now for sure I would never let him darken my doorstep again. It is amazing how clear things get when you go no contact!
Sep 19 - 9PM (Reply to #2)
cynthia (not verified)
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they dont deserve anything but to lie in the gutter

of course they arent into sex with us or their live ins or wives, when they can get three and four to service them, normal sex, hell who wants that, boring to them, also no love, emotions they have to fake when they are doing porn shit, they can treat them like whores and many of the women love it, as for the decent women we want decent things, but they keep us around to come home to so they appear normal, and they get a nice home cooked meal at the same time. No wonder they dont want sex with the Gf, they have just probably got done banging 5 women at the same time, like I said they just need to stick to dating hookers, and prostitutes and quit hurting the rest of humanity, but poor babies they want someone to take care of them
Sep 20 - 4AM (Reply to #5)
dolce (not verified)
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In the end, my exN used to

In the end, my exN used to hang out with very young guys in their 20's. (he's 41) They would send naked women images to each other on their cell phones. When I saw it I told him it was not appropriate. He was a married man. Plus, what gave these guys the impression that those types of phone messages would be welcome? He said the pictures were just fun. They were funny. He showed it to me and said "Isnt this funny? See?' I said no, it wasnt. With the photo came a message. "pass it on". My N just sat there. "Deep" in thought. I asked what he was doing and he said he was thinking of how to respond to the photo. I said just delete it and when you see your buddy tell him to stop sending that stuff. He said ok. The next day I checked the phone account and my exN had not done what we agreed on (surprise) but send the photos on to other friends. He was like a little kid. He was trying to convince me that I should be amused by the photos. I was like, "why would I, a woman, be amused by these?" So the next day I found a dirty naked photo of a man and sent it to him while he was at work with the message, "Isn't this fun! Isn't this funny? Pass it on!" He was really upset by it. But the point was driven home. This was during the last week before he D&Ded me. When I stopped talking and finally totally confronted everything he did to me.
Sep 20 - 12AM (Reply to #3)
Barbara (not verified)
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depraved indifference

After my exNH found out about the emotional affair - Psycho-Boy literally DISAPPEARED for 5 weeks! Probably blocked me. When he came back I was still reeling and trying to deal with now being physically abused by exNH. All of a sudden - like flipping a switch - all those "I HAVE TO HAVE YOU!" declarations and his "NEED" for me disappeared. Poof!! Suddenly I was "too nice" and "too good for him" and he didn't "want to make things worse for" me... I realize now he was just afraid HE'd be busted. He then got into my AOL buddy list and methodically schmoozed every female friend I had until he found one who ALMOST went with him until his cryptic and bizarre comments about me just threw her for a loop. Despite not hearing from him in over 20 years.. I ASSUMED because we'd had a relationship once and knew each other pretty well - that perhaps it was because he felt comfortable & trusting with me that he was that way. He'd send porn and say "if it bothers you please delete" - and multiple pics of his junk saying "delete this, I just HAD to send it to you to show you how I feel about you." Putting me on the Blame-Hot-Seat for 'MAKING' him send me this garbage. When law enforcement reviewed his computer usage after he threatened me they found that he always had hard core porn on his computer whenever he chatted to anyone female - fueling his "NEEDS." There were times I'd see him online typing away and he'd tell me he was "working on one of his articles" I know now that was minor stuff - he was on The Erotic Review posting about his lunch time romps with high end escorts or on sex forums with other men bragging and swapping stories or chatting it up with paid cyberbabes. This is a man who did this in his home office with the door locked while his wife toiled away downstairs trying to keep her business going to pay the bills, and who has two children (one of them a daughter!) and is very involved in his Temple, buddies with the Rabbi and writes long articles about the importance of God in his life - as well as the need for more ETHICS in business & government. A guy who has had HIGH level jobs with at least 3 well-known CHILDREN'S entertainment firms who could not keep his mind and dick out of the gutter. He dragged me in there with him all the while covertly telling me it was MY FAULT he was 'feeling' this way. How his wife stays with him, let alone looks him in the eye now I have no idea. I lost count of the number of times I suspected something was seriously wrong and offered to find him help and he would trash me. No wonder I had projectile, sudden vomiting issues for 3 months and had to be put in a clinic for 2 weeks for the PTSD. And yet I am still vilified, called names, degraded and lied about. EVIL. Absolute EVIL. ******************* In one sentence he is likely to say how attached and bonded he is and in the next sentence remind her how disposable she is or how he will leave her or the relationship. Some psychopaths don’t say it out right but “hint” or leave clues lying about that they are thinking of leaving, or they become aloof, detached, disinterested, and distant. “He would draw me in and then push me away with various methods. I was constantly perplexed about why it seemed that he wanted a relationship with me on some levels but not on others. He was committed at times but not entirely. I’ve never been so confused about how someone really felt about me.” This leaves her feeling unstable in the relationship, unsure if she has perceived their love correctly, and wondering about the consistency of their bonding. The psychopath is likely to tell her that she’s crazy and the relationship is the same as it has always been, making her question her own perception. Or, he may tell her that something she has done has caused him to want to abandon the relationship (such as questioning him, challenging him, catching him in lies, or asking him to perform adult duties). This attaching and rejecting leaves her feeling like she is straddling an earthquake fault line. “The intensity—the changeability—how one minute it could all seem good and normal and I would forget the craziness and then suddenly the tables turned and the monster I was living with re-appeared.” Interestingly, because of the woman’s high trust trait, she will even trust the psychopath’s explanation when she has caught him red-handed. It could be in bed with someone else, swindling her money, or another horrendous lie. When prompted to choose between trusting what she just saw or found out, or trusting the explanation given by the psychopath, many of the women trust the psychopath and discount the truth of what they learned. “I opened the door and saw him in bed with another woman. By the end of the evening, I wasn’t sure I had seen it at all! He didn’t convince me that it meant nothing — he convinced me it didn’t happen and there was no one in the bed with him! "It took me forever to learn to trust my own perceptions. When you think you are going crazy, it’s easy to rely on someone else’s version of reality. It wasn’t the issue of reality I now see… it was the issue of truth.” This conflict between trusting what she uncovers or trusting his explanations will be repeated many times before the ending of the relationship. The psychopath is also likely to play mind-games with her about the trust and distrust issues. Even if she catches him, he is likely to allege she didn’t see what she saw, didn’t read what she read, and didn’t hear what she heard. Blatant attempts at restructuring her reality are not beyond the psychopath, and is a well used method by him. Overtime, this erodes her ability to do her own reality testing of what is actually in front of her and plays with her mind in ways that makes her think she is losing her mind. ..... If psychopaths didn’t like the game of manipulation, they would consistently choose women who are introverted and who would be a far easier capture than taking on powerful extraverted women. But that is in fact, exactly who most psychopaths choose the powerful extraverted woman. To that end, we have to assume that the psychopath predator enjoys watching a previously high-functioning woman turn into a reality-doubting, exhausted, bundle of nerves which he finds pretty erotic. Sadly, some of the psychopath’s women only make it out of their torment through suicide. The ultimate power triumph for a psychopath — he conquered her spirit and won. He scoops up the material assets and moves on to the next woman/ victim with the “grieving” act over her death. Other women flock to soothe his pain and the cycle begins again. Numb but immobile, she does not embrace the severity of her situation. Acknowledging the severity would force action— action she hasn’t planned to take, remember how to do, or has emotional energy to initiate. So instead, she has to deny the psychopaths behaviors, his symptoms, the relationship dynamics, and her own mounting fear that she may not survive. “I can’t believe the amount of abuse and hurt I put up with. I think it’s because he would start to cry and use emotional blackmail so I would stay. I never saw myself as the kind of person who would put up with this hurt and pain. I am angry at myself for putting up with this when it was so obviously wrong for so long.” Despite their condition, and the depth of depravity they experienced at the psychopath’s hands, the women still described the decision to disconnect as “excruciatingly difficult.” Leaving a psychopath is never a clean easy break. The psychopath is likely to have a huge reaction to “losing” his possession. Sandra Brown, MA - WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Narc Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Sep 20 - 1PM (Reply to #4)
cynthia (not verified)
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GOING NO CONTACT

the women still described the decision to disconnect as “excruciatingly difficult.” Leaving a psychopath is never a clean easy break. The psychopath is likely to have a huge reaction to “losing” his possession. I no longer need to be educated in knowing there is NO emotional attachment with a narc/psychopath. For the ones who want to remain in contact I pose a question. What does that actually do to them when a potential source cuts them off? In your knowledge and research do most of them stalk, or do very few stalk? My counselor told it was hard to determine but dont be surprised if he will try will all his skills to hook you in again, he compared it to a dog who jumped the fence and GOT OUT. Me being the dog he trained to obey and be there at his command when he needed me. Is it more of a loss of power to him than anything else? Afterall he managed to keep LD with a few simple phone calls a week, never cared to see me, but became irate when I told him I dont want this anymore. He would say call me when you are not in one of your moods and you cool off. He said I had a multiple personality, ha ha ha with them who wouldnt!!!! That is the way they want you, confused, and mentally unstable so they can further control you with minimum effort. I cant tell you the times he would say, lets get together tomorrow you think of a place and time and let me know. Then I wouldnt hear from him for days and days and days, then he would call and say, where have you been are you snubbing me? THey are so sick and we dance for them and partake in that sickness, we feed their sickness to a certain degree while they laugh and get only amusement from it. No contact is saying, I have NOTHING to say to you, and I have nothing I want to hear from you, no contact is also saying you are nothing to me, cease to exist in my life so I am cutting you off from it