I'm wondering...Do we all share something in common?

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Mar 21 - 4PM
onwithmylife
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TLSM

good post, I know I had abandonment issues because my dad died when I was turning 14 years old, never got to say goodbye to him and had no male figure in my life during the formative teen years when a male figure is so vital.i remember seeing the EXN write in a magazine that he had extreme abandonment issues and now i think it came from his mother never accepting and loving him for who he was and maybe a father that was not there for him when he needed him, he told me once his dad did not do much activity wise with him during his formative years, his mother was the ruler of the house and never let him make the break. He never got unconditional love I believe.
Mar 21 - 5PM (Reply to #2)
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Wow. I am sorry about the loss of your dad. That must have been a very hard and confusing time for you. :( My Narc has MAJOR abandonment issues too. Desperately sought approval from both parents and never got it. Was ignored. And after having his brother, his mother wanted a girl so badly, but had another boy and even would dress him like a girl when he was a toddler for family pictures! When he was between the ages of 7-9, there is a pic of his brother, as Raggedy Andy, and my ex Narc as Raggedy Anne! Makeup and everything! I laughed my ass off when I saw it, but his mother didn't think it was funny. Yikes...I think more happened to him, too... It does seem like Narcs/Borderlines/Anti-soc have abandonment issues. I am wondering for those of us who have abandonment issues here, if we feel a sort-of "pull" with ourselves and the narcs because of this? And are we both, us and the narcs, trying to self-fulfill actual abandonment from each other because we just expect it to happen, like it did in our childhood? Maybe I am thinking WAY too much!!! LOL... But if this were true, this could maybe help us look at ourselves and stay away from them. Just a thought.
Mar 22 - 12AM (Reply to #12)
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TLSM

I think you're on to something here.... I lost my father when I was 18 months old and never had a solid father figure. My mother never remarried and I was basically raised by my siblings. My relationship with my mother was volatile at times and especially when I got pregnanat out of wedlock. My exN had his father walk out on him when he was 5 years old but had a step father who he claims was more than anything he could have asked for. I asked him if he ever wished he could contact his dad and his response was a look of disgust and nothing more than a brief "NO". He had to have been affected by that deeply. By age 5 you definitely are affected by the sudden absence of a parent and especially a father/son relationship. Then there's his mother. I would hear him talk to her on the phone (because I never got to meet her in our 2 yrs) and it was weird. He would call her baby and I know what you might be thinking, it was another women but I assure I could hear her through the phone. Their interaction with each other was awkward. It seems as though she was the over praiser. With Narcs they become this way due to neglect or over praise. I'm gathering that he may have gotten the best of both of these. I noticed within our relationship he bahaved like a child at times. He would talk like a baby with me and wanted to be babied at times. He would also treat me like a baby at times. I mean we would go to dinner and he'd start talking like a baby and I would get embarrassed. Although when it was private I induldged in it and I knew it was because it was something I was missing. On the flip side he was very masculine and I felt very protected by him. I know that I had my times where I behaved desperate because of my abandonment issues. I even started to open up to him about them and he seemed to understand. Although when something would go against his will and we disagreed, he would tell me that I should talk to my therapist about it and see what the response is. It bothered me so much when he would do that. It was so demeaning. It takes a lot to work on oneself and recognize that there's always room for growth and I made sure he always knew that. I honeslty felt that he admired that about me because I think he knew that there was something wrong with him but didn't have the courage to face it. He told me on two occasions that no matter what happened between us he was thankful for the things I had taught him and that I got him to do things that he never thought he could do. Lines or reality.. I guess I'll never know. I definitely think that I stayed with this man even after the first red flag has everything to do with issues I have deep with in. We also have to remember how enchanting and charming these men are. They're irresistible and I'm sure even more so to someone who is codependent, which I have discovered that I am with this experience. Great point made here TLSM...
Mar 21 - 5PM (Reply to #8)
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Yep, I have major abandonment

Yep, I have major abandonment issues too. And I think since abandonment feels "normal" to us, we tend to chase after it.....albeit unintentional.
Mar 22 - 1AM (Reply to #11)
ifinallygotit
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Veronrose

yes, me too. I have huge abandonment issues. i even discussed them with him when we were together. He assured me it was safe to give him my heart... Growing up with a violent Narc mother, putting up with abuse does feel normal. My xN boyfriend was way more pleasant to be around than her. At least he was quiet, never violent. calm and more emotionally stable (but emotionally retarded...). Honestly, this is a hellish horrible recovery but he was way safer what I grew up with. Oh, and my mother wants to kill him for wronging me and is totally unsupportive of my emotional recovery. She is scary. I did not purposely chose to be in an abusive relationship. I just did not have good enough radar or boundaries to see what was coming. Everyone else could see it but me. No one is surprised but me with the abandonment.
Mar 21 - 10PM (Reply to #9)
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Abandonment does feel normal to me thus enivitably making it an unconcious self fulfilling goal? Same with our Narcs? That's horrible and a guarantee I'll be alone and need to halt this. Looking back on my former relationships, I definitely see a pattern. This whole nightmare has woken me up and is starting to look like a blessing? Did I just say that?
Mar 22 - 7AM (Reply to #10)
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TLSM and ifinallygotit

I saw a psychiatrist a couple months ago, and he is the one who pointed this out to me. He said when a feeling feels normal to us, we chase after it, even if it's painful. I am now in therapy trying to address my abandonment issues - my father died when I was 13, my older brother who stepped in as my "surrogate father" died when he was just 33, and my husband passed just 2 yrs ago. I'd say I have abandonment issues, eh? And "Daddy" issues too. LOL.
Mar 21 - 6PM (Reply to #7)
onwithmylife
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TLSM for YOU!!!!

you raise some real thought provoking questions and i like that! I often thought we were pulled together by some similar issues and for me I was revisiting what I did not grieve at the time, Narc once asked me years ago if he reminded me of my late dad and I told him yes, he did look like him and had the same anger issues like my Dad, but my Dad , although he had anger issues, was still well loved and liked by many people, unlike the Narc.You probably have heard the expression what you do not grieve will later come back to haunt you, HOW TRUE that is!In the same way i believe he revisited his mother issues onto all the 5 major relationships in his life and guess what, HIS mother wanted a girl, because she had already had a boy 17 years earlier, when you wrote that, my eyes popped out of their sockets!!WOW He fulfilled his abandonmen tissues by always dropping me, but for me I do not feel I was after the abandonment, but trying to relive life with my dad and get closure from his death, guessing
Mar 21 - 5PM (Reply to #3)
sistasoo
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Abandonment Issues

I think you might be on to something...maybe that is why we feel such an instant "connection and chemistry" with them....It is a convenient way for them to feed their "It's just you and me against the world when disaster strikes...we need to prepare ourselves" motto. They want us to feel like they are are only saving grace and we should feel lucky to be with them for their protection and resourcefulness...blah, blah, blah! lol! The only problem is, they've also told the same thing to several other women!
Mar 22 - 4AM (Reply to #4)
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Absolutely it has to do with

Absolutely it has to do with abandonment issues. Go to gettinbetter.com and read everything on Borderline Personality Disorder it will explain alot for you.
Mar 22 - 10PM (Reply to #5)
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abandonment

Ladies, We got caught up with a con artist that exploited our most giving qualities. "Abandonded" people seek that love & comfort. Most find it. Think of animals in the pound. They were abandonded by their original owners. People wanting to give a loving home go there. We just found a psycho that wanted a free puppy to abuse. And he presented a false premise to get the puppy. ladies, there are fabulous men out there with good, loving hearts & non-disordered minds. Most likely they are the cute guy in the corner.... HE has the proplem. Not US!!
Mar 22 - 11PM (Reply to #6)
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M

You are correct! Absolutely he has a major problem! These masked monsters are so cunning and evil. But my personal frustration with all of this is WHY I continue(d) to stay/stick around after so many of his D&D's? Why didn't I leave him right away when it was clearly horrific and torturous for me? So many tears shed and so many days without eating and/or sleeping still to this day! That's not love and up until I discovered NPD, BPD and APD, I thought it was because I loved him so much and felt worthless at the same time. The begging, the pleading- I'm realizing I did this with my mom when she would ignore me for weeks or drop me off on the side of the road multiple times when I was very young. Scary shit. For me, its imperative I explore that.