FEAR

It is difficult to determine how much fear is legitimate and how much is manufactured in our minds when it comes to dealing with the Narcissist.

While not a professional therapist with thousands of Narc cases under my belt - I'm not sure if a lot of our fears are warranted.

Early on, I absorbed that the individual qualified as insane and like any other "crazy" person, a certain amount of fear was warranted because their actions are unpredictable; nonetheless, I believe once you understand Narcissism, Narcs become pretty predictable.

There is a distinction between a Narcissist and a Psychopath. Sociopath is the OLD word for Psychopath. Essentially, we have two distinctions here: The Psychopath who has the potential to be a cold blooded killer then the grossly mentally disturbed jerk - that would be the NARC.

Can they both be dangerous? YES!!! Absolutely; however, let's examine the Narcissist; afterall, this is the Narcissistic Personality Disorder Abuse Forum.

We know that Narcs have a grandiose sense of self. They believe the sun, moon, earth and stars were created just for them. In fact, they are convicned that if they are unhappy, the sun just doesn't rise, if it rains, well God is crying right along with them feeling their self pity. We know this.

We also know that a Narcissist cannot attach himself to anyone emotionally, and does not love anyone or anthing other than HIS reflection. We know the Narcissist sees us as objects.

We also know the Narcissist does not leave or start Devaluing and Discarding UNTIL he has a few other secondary sources of supply. This is not only so that our stock value pales so he feels he got the most bang for his buck but also because once he "departs" he pretty much can take you or leave you. He very well could have done that from the start but he found us "entertaining" and "useful."

When the Narc leaves, our purpose from his perspective has ceased to exist. Narcs know how important supply is for their sustenance, they're not about to get caught out there without it. Will they come back for a sniff even when with someone else? Well, why wouldn't they? If you thought you were "King" of the world, wouldn't you feel "entitled?" It doesn't mean to the Narcissist we're special, it doesn't mean he really loves us, it doesn't mean he's confused. It means he's a predator, he's self centered, he believes he's entitled and if you are gullable enough to bite a second time, he's not going to be the one to stop you. Or a third time, or a fourth time, or the tenth time.

While this may sound very cold harsh and cruel...I am not certain how legitimate some of the fears are when it comes to the Narcissist as the truth is if the individual is a true NARCISSIST and there is a difference between that and a psychopath - they're not thinking about you.

Sure, they surface from time to time. For Ego's sake and if they get really hard up for supply, I imagine they'd really up the ante with trying to coax you; but otherwise, for a Narcissist it's "Out of sight,out of mind." That was even when we were with them - EVEN more so now that it's over. The exception might be if you beat him at his own game and left him first BEFORE he could gather his supply, then he might be out for revenge, but if you've been D&D'd and there is already another woman, don't think about it he's not thinking about you. Work on healing.

Narcissists may like to play games, but again it's for Ego. When it is said that you will "always" be property of the Narc, that is because if YOU continue to appease his stupidity (professionals would call it pathology), you will quite often get sucked in. The reality is, when you know what he is and know how to effectively tell him to blow off (which is the same insult to him as uncovering the mask) his ego is so fragile, he doesn't have the cojones (professionals call these testicles) to face you.

So, understand that if you really do think that your partner or ex partner is a Narcissist, unfortunately, he's not thinking about you.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there seems to be a lot of cognitive dissonance over this.

AGAIN, this is not the same picture for a psychopath and since we rarely know which is which, or what they are it is always wise to err on the side of caution. Nonetheless, I remain convinced for the most part, their "thinking about us" is more in our minds - a secret wish, rather than the reality.

Today we call them Narcissists as do the professionals, in the past they were referred to as "Jive MFers."

Aug 9 - 1PM
Hope
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Narc vs. Psychopath

I think the difference is the Narc can't emphasize and the Psychopath has no conscience. At least that is what I got out of a book, "The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout, Phd. Either way both are evil, I think mine was both after reading this book.
Jun 12 - 1PM
BadaBing
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yikes

we don't know which is which?! psycho or narc? OMG O M G
Jun 11 - 8AM
prettypeeved
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Interesting. My main concern

Interesting. My main concern is I suspect we're both going to end up attending the same party several months from now. I don't know whether to think he'll just blank me, or whether he'll insist on trying to make his presence felt, any way he can.
Jun 11 - 10AM (Reply to #17)
michele115 (not verified)
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The best defense in that case Peeved

Is to mentally prepare for both scenarios. I hope by then you are completely detached and healed. Hugs!
Jun 9 - 8PM
Persephone1
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best way to tell the Narc youre done???....

Im trying to leave my Narc for good, although when I tried to break up with him, he ignored everything I said & turned it around on me...I struggled for another month & now I see hes been avoiding me, seeing me, having conversations....so, obv. Hes working on my replacements, but still believes he has me sitting in a corner waiting for him....So, Id like to have Something to say to him, even if for myself, to express that I woll no longer be his plan b, & Im done. I think I need to say it 4 myself, before I go on my No Contact mission.
Jun 17 - 5PM (Reply to #14)
Monica
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Text him......

Tell him you no longer wish to have him in your life and you are blocking him and moving on. However, block him BEFORE you send the text. If he replies, even immediately, he will see he is blocked and will know you mean business. A true slap in the face. But this is just the way I would do it. Others may disagree with me.
Jul 18 - 8PM (Reply to #15)
strongblackcoffee
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I agree with Monica

Send the text but block IMMEDIATELY. If that is not possible, give your phone to a good friend and have them monitor and Delete so u don't see any response. Good luck!
Jun 12 - 11PM (Reply to #13)
Done sourcing
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Supply

Any response, letter, text or call is attention for the narc. That is what feeds them. Keep that in mind. Whne you tell him you will no longer tolerate being plan B, he knows you want to be plan A...if he needs more supply he will try to get you to believe you are now plan A, then he will d and d you again, then you will write him a letter, give him supply and information, and he will try to convince you blah blah blah...until you break the supply chain. The n isn't the problem, they are the solution. The problem is that we are addicted. Recovery starts with NC. Chris
Jun 12 - 11PM (Reply to #12)
rosedewittbukater
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Say your peace

Write him a letter. Some on here will discourage you from any sort of communication at all, including a "Dear John I'm on to you and I'm getting the F out of Dodge" kind of letter, but I think it may benefit some. You will need to consider how it will be received and be careful with your words so that he will not use them against you in some way. In my case when I finally made the decision I could not go on living with the abuse and constant mindF___ing and chaos, I wrote a two page letter. I told my N exactly how much they hurt me and alluded to the fact that I knew she was a narc. (Why not, after all she used to joke about it herself). Anyway, I feel that I would not be in the place I am now had I not written her this letter and then actually sent it. VERY FEW of us will have total closure with our Narcs, they will never let that happen! But some closure can be gained I believe by coming clean with them to a degree. There is nothing wrong with asserting yourself and letting him know, as you said, you will not be his "Plan B". It reminds me of a scene in When Harry Met Sally when she tells Harry "I am not your condolence prize" . Harry was not a narcissist, so in this case they live happily ever after. But there is no happily ever after with a Narc. No matter much we all want to believe there could be. Peace to you, Jennicat
Jun 9 - 9PM (Reply to #6)
michele115 (not verified)
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jennicat

There are a couple of things I'm reading into here. First, I wonder if you live with him or not, as I can phathom the logistical concerns of just "up and running" away from a Narc, but when you say you are "trying" I am not sure if the battle is physical as in abode or mental. I will assume it's a mental block... First you say you tried and he ignored everything and turned it around. I'll assume that your brain is scrambled from all the hot and cold with him. Here's the thing. If you understand Narcissism now, then all you have to do is say it's over, then stick to it. It really is that simple. OUR MINDS make it complicated. That is not to say WE ARE TO BLAME...what has happened is he's somehow gotten bigger in our minds...he's put on this persona - he's been all "gransiose" and we drank the kool aid - BUT WE KNOW the reality now right? AND - now you "see he's avoiding you, seeing you or speaking with you and you assume *and I would agree* he's getting his resources lined up - but "still believes he has you sitting in a corner waiting for him" Jenni - he does...you "tried" to end it, you didn't end it - you are in the corner. You CAN get out of it anytime you like. THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE THING WE FORGET! WE HAVE THE POWER AND THE CONTROL...THE NARCS POWER AND CONTROL IS AN ILLUSION - ONE WE MADE UP!! Silence Jenni speaks VOLUMES but I get that we are "closure" magnets and you must know you will NEVER get that from him, but sometimes we like to humor ourselves...so if it makes you FEEL BETTER - simply say: "It's Over" then stick to it - if you know he's dangerous and bad for you but still feel the need to have some kind of explanation - since you already know what he is and this is a DEAD END STREET - WTH - take the blame...BE THE BAD GUY...you'll be the bad guy in his version ANYWAY!!! So just tell him, it hurts you but you don't love him anymore and you just can't bear to keep stringing him along this way, he's a great guy but you just can't do this anymore, you just woke up one morning and realized, YOURE DEAD INSIDE. Tell him you can't bear to torture him this way, he really deserves someone so much better than you - that you have sooooo many issues you realize it will take YEARS to get through them, you can't even imagine getting married or having children - tell him it's so bad you're planning to put the dog up for adoption! Why is Michele talking so insane? Because Narcs want strong trophies, beautiful arituclate women cause they're the bestest to shake down...the only time they'll cycle for sub par is when they're in a down slump. The writing is on the wall, he's about to stick it to ya - if you go along with it, most likely he'll be gone quicker than you can bat a lash...you will have "needs" you will be "high maintenance" just stick to your guns and make sure you're committed to staying NC because he will keep cycling back just for kicks. Hugs!
Jun 9 - 9PM (Reply to #7)
Persephone1
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thanks for the response....

No, we dont live together.....we were together for about five years, & due to my losing my apt. Thanks to legal problems (a result of this relationship wrecking me), I had to move in with my mother who lived two hours away. This, I believe, is the only thing that got me away from him. I had this buffer for almost two yrs., but continued speaking to him, & seeing him maybe once every month or two. I wasnt aware that he was disordered, I thought he was just a cheat & a liar, & I eventually got over him (or so I thought). I thought the only reason things were so hard was because I had no closure. I eventually moved back & again in close proximity to the narc. (I have a 9yr. Old & due to joint custody, it was too difficult to commute, so being close to my daughters father was the only reason I moved back)......I felt vey confident that I was over the narc, thought I now had something of a friendship w/him. After not seeing him for about 5months he decided we had to be back together. Came begging & apologizing etc., claiming full responsibility for anything he did in the past. & Id never seen so much as a spec of remorse or heard anything come out of his mouth like what I was now hearing. So i thought maybe hes serious, it was a side of him Id never seen, so I gave him a chance. That lasted less than two months, & slowly all his old BS came creeping back. & of course all the changes he made, promises he made disintegrated into nothing. He, of course, made it My doing, claiming he came back thinking I had changed, & Only if I changed would he do what he promised. Complete 180, & unbelievably, I was shocked- Only now that Ive been reading so much on NPD & Sociopathy am I shocked into reality. But I think Im more upset with myself for getting out the first time & now Im right back in his web, feeling used stupud, hurt etc. & it is very much like a drug addiction, & Im afraid that the NC will be excruciating for me. I had the luxury of distance before, so Im a little worried about how strong I can be....& the worst part is being aware of all of this, & still feeling powerless.
Jun 17 - 5PM (Reply to #10)
Monica
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Jennicat.....my heart goes out to you....

I was where you are. I sent him packing and was 11 weeks NC when he got to me through work and begged me to see him, all these promises of being a changed man, in therapy, on meds, admitting to all his past lies and mistakes. My initial reaction was to block him from ALL angles. But he got through, crying and begging and pleading. My bad....I let him in, thinking he could really change this time. That is just a dream. It cannot happen. And I spent 9 months in hell after only a few months of it all being "okay." When I saw the D&D starting, I high-tailed it out of there and did not go back. That was 3 months ago and I am DONE with his sorry ass. I wish I had trusted my initial instincts and kept him blocked when he came crawling back. God, how I wish I had. I had yet another hard lesson. BUT...once bitten, twice shy! We KNOW now how evil they are and how bad they are for us. Now we break the ties and move on for good. They are part of our past. A hard lesson learned but in the past. You will find the strength.
Jun 18 - 5PM (Reply to #11)
Persephone1
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thanks....

Thanks for all the comments....I think if I had half the info on this site when my natc came back in January, I Never wouldve given him another chance...Thats part of whats so upsetting....& Ive read a lot about how Common it is for narcs to go back to Old source of supply & all the signs are so clear to me Now, After I let the pig weasel back into my life/brain/heart....Im still easing into the NC, which is a process for me because the cold turkey method is too hard right now.....its how I got through it the first time w/him, & its seems like a lot of extra time wasting but I know myself, & everyone has to do what they know to be effective I guess.....but Ive stopped seeing him for the most part, & of course not completely...I know Im on my way to not seeing him at all.....& now he tells me his mom is in the hospital w/some serious issues. I wonder if a Narc possibly feels anything in these situations or if he manufactures feeling because thats what he needs to do....Im trying to stay away from him despite any empathy I may feel for his mom. & according to lots of experts the NPD Starts w/the mother, but how can anyone get to the bottom of it....
Jun 9 - 10PM (Reply to #8)
michele115 (not verified)
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First of all

You are not powerless because you have the power of CHOICE. As far as beating yourself up for falling again, you cannot be held responsible for that which you did not know before - but now you know. I really yearned for an apology I really did - I never got it. At this point almost eight months later...if it came now, I think I'd crack his head open for insulting my intelligence - only because of what I know now...that's a good thing because I am no longer pining for his apology...BUT I totally understand if say I had never known about this, and I suffered, and he came back *if I didn't know about OW* I might have taken him back. BUT - again, lets focus on reality...this man is disrespecting you, and has done this before...you do have some experience under your belt with his antics and now you have the trump card of knowledge. The only thing tripping you up is FEAR - not the fear I spoke of in this blog...but fear of the finality of it...whether you are ready to close that chapter...perhaps a bit of cd...is this really the real truth?...but otherwise you do know what this is. Yes, there will be pain. Here are the choices...and go back in the archives...you can buckle down for the pain you know is going to come...estimated time for total healing 18 months - you can do the work, get your head on straight so you get strong and really empowered and learn how to ward off these jackrabbits...OR you can stay stuck in this for infinity. You will only stick to NC when you've had enough...I do suggest you keep reading and keep learning. I won't lie...in the beginning I was up and down too...thought I might even be able to help him with this...tried to make all other kinds of PD's that had a better prognosis "fit"...if he's a narc the only thing you can do to save yourself and your sanity is to walk away. Hugs!
Jun 12 - 11AM (Reply to #9)
BATGIRL
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PLEASE READ WHAT MICHELE115 HAS TO SAY-IT'S SAYS IT ALL

Thank you for what you have written Michele, it's more than just food for though, it's advice that we, victims, must live by. It will never be over until we completely distance ourselves from them....NC! Hugs and prayers to all! BATGIRL
Jun 9 - 8PM
Jannie In the Sun
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Out of sight out of mind

Wow, this is some powerful truth. Telling my story. "The exception might be if you beat him at his own game and left him first BEFORE he could gather his supply, then he might be out for revenge, but if you've been D&D'd and there is already another woman, don't think about it he's not thinking about you." Both happened to me when I went back for more. OW within 2 weeks and revenge D&D after the reunion. My heart and ego had such a hard time realizing that a person could be so cold. I get it now and I am grateful that I don't have an exN who keeps coming back. Thanks for your post.
Jun 10 - 7AM (Reply to #1)
WiserNow30
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"The exception might be if

"The exception might be if you beat him at his own game and left him first BEFORE he could gather his supply, then he might be out for revenge." I believe that this is the case for me. I left him, went into immediate no contact, ignored his hoovering, and even ignored him when he confronted me in person. Since then, he has filed three separate court cases against me (small claims for the puppy he gave me as an engagement present, protection order because he said I was stalking him, and assault charges because he said I punched him). He failed to show up for the small claims and protection order hearings so those were both dismissed. I have the assault charge trial at the end of July. His only "evidence" is his sworn statement. Think he'll show up for trial? I'm thinking he's trying to evoke panic in me which obviously isn't going to happen. Also, he knows I'll have to pay legal fees. I have so much evidence against him that the prosecution's head is going to blow. Voicemails, emails, letters, witnesses, blah blah blah. The big surprise for him will come when my attorney presents everything and recommends a grand jury perjury investigation to the judge. He's so dumb he contradicted himself in two different sworn statements. Perjury is a FELONY!!!
Jun 10 - 9AM (Reply to #2)
Persephone1
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You have my sympathy.....

I Also ended up in court thanks to my narc relationship......although it was the narcs brother that did all the dirty work of calling the cops a bunch of times (my narc & his brother were roommates, both in their thirties, another red flag). My narc was never the one to call he cops, & tried to use the "its out of my hands/i have no control over my brother" bs defense. However, I ended up in court w/the narcs brother, which may have been all the narcs doing, & he may have put his brother up to doing his dirty work for him. Just try & be as calm & together as he pretends to be. My mistake was being emotional like a human being, as the narc looked completely stable, trying to make me look crazy. The judge never saw that my narc was a sadistic bastard, only that as a woman I was too emotional. Your narc clearly saw your NC as a threat & got desperate after the fact. The judge should see this. My judge believed I could be a threat at 5'2", 115lbs to my 5'11" 240lb boyfriend, who was a personal trainer, & most likely on steroids. These narcs are just vile in their manipulation of everyone in front of them...maybe you can apply for a restraining order against him. When my narcs brother attempted to press harrassment charges on me, I did the same, along with charges for filing a false police report.
Jun 10 - 1PM (Reply to #3)
WiserNow30
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Jennicat . . .

I have a temporary protection order against him and go back to court at the end of August for a 5 year protection order. Thankfully, my ex N has a prior record and I've kept everything. I've accumulated numerous evidence against him (including his own voice on my voicemail saying that he's obsessed with me and just wants to talk to me, about how he is going to have sex with anything that moves in order to get over me) and a handwritten letter about how he is going to "return from wickedness" Crazy!!! The judge will see right through all of this. My attorney is very good also. I can't wait for my court date!!!
Jun 10 - 9PM (Reply to #4)
Persephone1
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Good Luck....h

Hope that idiot Narc makes a jack ass of himself in court!