Just dated another N for 8 weeks

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#1 Dec 20 - 10PM
Hereforme
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Just dated another N for 8 weeks

So my question is this...isn't there a way of knowing in the first 3 dates? Is it just the nature of the beast, so to speak, that they can hide their true selves SO well it doesn't come out until they think they can start to let their guard down. I held back my heart, there was no sex. I saw the true him and I got out. NC! I am sad and discouraged though. Especially now at Christmas time. Anyone have any experience here? Thanks!

Dec 24 - 8AM
agnesmurphy17
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criticism

Interesting point. Are they "sensitive" to criticism? I know I recently spoke to a guy who seemed to get a little worked up about something . . . I heard a bell ring & the red flag waive. You got it right . . . he perceived criticism where none was intended. (This was in response to a comment below. But it got bumped up to the top when I logged in.) Overly Sensitive to Criticism = Red Flag Also, I think a man who is over 40 & is not in a long-term-relationship . . . well I think one should walk very gently with a large stick. Men tend to do better in relationships with women. If he's single . . . & seems like a good catch . . . well, maybe there's a reason. Too good to be true = Red Flag. I think you should be commended for waiting 8 weeks. I think that a person will know within three months that there is something off with this man. But if one has started sleeping with him, introduced him to friends and family as the boyfriend, well one is stuck. And there is the hope that the promise of the early days will be fulfilled. So I think the trick is to watch & wait. Instant relationship = Red Flag. I also read, if I catch a person in 3 lies quickly . . . run. And they lie about everything. Mine lied about smoking. I smelled a faint odor of nicotine & asked. He said he did not smoke. Even at that moment I knew he was lying. Turned out he smoked one cigarello every afternoon. I made an excuse for him. Lies = Red Flag.
Dec 24 - 10AM (Reply to #23)
Hereforme
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Thanks for your input

The criticism point is a good one. That is something I have noticed about all Narcs past and present. The thing about over 40 and not in a long term relationship is that there are many of us who divorce in our 40's and 50's. This is not a red flag to me but a fact of life. I am 54 myself and have been divorced 10 years. Since we should take it slow both men and women, I see this as a strength for seeing a person who doesn't mind being alone isn't desperate and settling for anything. Now if they are over 40 and never married nor have been in a long term relationship that is a red flag to me about the N - men. Thanks again!
Dec 23 - 7PM
Deidre40
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I echo Hunter. I think there

I echo Hunter. I think there are some tell tale 'signs' of what a narc looks like when courting: *showering you with endless flattery *calls and texts constantly ...beyond the norm of someone just interested *intrudes into your personal time a lot (before we knew what narcissism was, we thought this too was flattering, it's not) I think those are some tell tale signs that the person COULD BE a narc. They are usually overkill in the beginning, with kindness, and flattery. And trying to literally sweep you off your feet. The old saying is true. If it's too good to be true, it is. ;)
Dec 24 - 10AM (Reply to #21)
Hereforme
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Yes good narc alerts!

Yes these have been on my red flag alert list for a long time. This last 8 week guy didn't do any of them! If he had he may have been easier to spot. Which then leads me to another question. Are some guys just selfish and clueless about relationships and not N's? Not that I am saying we should stay with them. I just wonder if not every jerk should be labeled an N? Thanks!
Dec 24 - 7AM (Reply to #20)
Amazed
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I agree 100 percent with Deirde40 statement

Those are all right on, absolutely true, that is how they make their first crack at you, break you down, wear you down, and proceed for further damage.
Dec 21 - 12PM
Hunter
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Can I be honest here? You

Can I be honest here? You know I'm going to be anyway.. You should be working on you.. What makes you happy..What makes you tick. You are looking to men as a band aide .. The reason all of us have been narced is because we had a sore spot.. Until you find that sore spot you are going to run into narc after narc after narc.. It takes me 3 minutes, not 3 dates to pick up these predators.. Thearpy, Reading and working on you.. Hunter
Dec 22 - 12PM (Reply to #16)
Hereforme
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Wow...

...will you please write that book?! Or at least share your "3 minute Narc test" here with all of us. I want to learn that. I am sure others do too! I am always a work in progress. I am not looking to men for a band aide. Believe me. I'm doing my work or I wouldn't have had this progress. But not all of us can be experts at this and we have to learn and grow in our own time on our own "path". Thanks, ~ Hereforme
Dec 22 - 12PM (Reply to #17)
Hunter
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Keep reading and learning

Keep reading and learning your radar signal will grow stronger..The books have already been written! 1out of 25 people are disordered.. So they don't even need to be people you date.. They are everywhere.. Today for example.. At work.. I'm steamed .. Long story but a co worker I deal with is constantly taking "Control" every time I need to go to her no matter what the request.. She one ups me with an issue.. I see her tactics ..problem is she will never win because I won't let her.. She tries to fuel my fire but minimal contact or silence works best ..she gets the message.. Soon she'll go find some weak soul to go pick on.. Hunter
Dec 22 - 12PM (Reply to #18)
Hereforme
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A 3 minute Narc test book...

... has already been written? I am particularly interested in your 3 minute ability to spot a N. Yes, I have known many N's and disordered folks out there who are female as well as male. Good point. Thanks.
Dec 21 - 11AM
spinning
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Here for me, I'm going to turn this

around on you and say GREAT JOB! Eight weeks is some time, but your radar, your gut instinct and your commitment to YOURSELF to take it slow and REFRAIN FROM GIVING SOMEONE SEX WHO MAY NOT DESERVE IT saved you from months of heartache! That's a great thing! I know it's disappointing when someone shows their true colors and those colors are dark and dingy, but just think! You didn't press on anyway and ignore that! You listened to your gut and you valued yourself by going slow! That is so great! I think that's outstanding! While I wish this person had revealed himself a bit earlier, In the course of a lifetime, eight weeks is a drop in the bucket and at least you didn't give yourself away to someone who doesn't meet up to YOUR STANDARDS! This is awesome! I am a big proponent of long, slow 'getting to know someone' involvements. There are good, honest, fun men out there and you will find the one. Keep valuing yourself and listening to your gut and your light will attract someone who truly appreciates and values it. I am proud of you, Here. Don't be discouraged. This is actually a good thing! Most sincerely, (not) spinning. AND IT FEELS GREAT

spinning

Dec 22 - 12PM (Reply to #14)
Hereforme
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Thank you!

Yes, I agree. I also read again that blog by Lisa about one reason about attracting the N's is having this empath personality. That is sure me. I am going to learn more about that part of me to be more protected. I am going to keep working on myself, as I have never quit. It is an ongoing process and every bump in the road serves us to teach us if we can learn the lesson. This is especially hard being Christmas week now all my plans have changed and it sure brings up added emotions of being alone. I am not going to give up on true love. If I did that would be like giving up on a part of myself. Thank you again and season's greetings to you! ~ Hereforme
Dec 21 - 9AM
Lisa87
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Yup I'm a narc magnet too

I met a nice guy (thought he was) and dated for about a month and there was a lot of chemistry , he was nice, kind, didn't see any red flags at all. Anyway, we would text all day/night every day which built up some frustration so I decided to give in and have sex. Wow, the red flags were there but I gave in and actually saw him a few more times, he took me to a nice dinner, etc. I won't go into details but he was worse than my exN, had major issues with women. The controlling part came out full force and he would continue to text me but I ignored. Thankfully he went away and it was only a few months wasted. As soon as the first sign or red flag appears, I'm kicking them to the curb!! Thankfully no feelings developed, good to keep your guard up and protect ourselves, there are many narcs out there........
Dec 22 - 12PM (Reply to #12)
Hereforme
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Thank you and I agree...

... with as soon as red flags appear, kick 'em to the curb. I see that it is for sure the way to go with taking it real slow to get to know them. I was in this 2 months before the red flags showed. We do have to keep on this path! Thanks again.
Dec 21 - 7AM
onwithmylife
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well

i dated one guy for 7 dates and found out through emails he had mommy issues, lives with his 83 year old mother, told me he could not take his 2 older daughters emotions, his mother smothered him, know that all, the red flags I ended it, thank God no sex and he wanted to see other women rather than us getting to know each other, sad..........said I was being' too controlling and manipulating' because i wanted us to date exclusively for a while and get to know each other UGH.
Dec 24 - 7AM (Reply to #10)
Amazed
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"Mommy issues" yeeee!!

Heard the same thing from exP and exN!! Not healthy, yuck yuck yuck
Dec 22 - 12PM (Reply to #9)
Hereforme
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Mommy issues...

...real sign there! Glad you got out without investing yourself and body. That's the way! Hold back the "Heart & the Hormones" before we trust he's a healthy keeper! Thanks, ~Hereforme
Dec 21 - 12AM
Blessed
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Eek! It's a Narc!!!

Well, as a Narc magnet, men and girlfriends, I am thinking that the slightest hint of criticism sends them into Narcrageville. So, perhaps that is the early test? Piss him/her off just a touch? Aside from that, I have learned that if I feel all giddy about the person across the table, it's a Narc. Life!!! xox
Dec 23 - 9AM (Reply to #7)
Daisyd
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Blessed

Excellent advice! I highly recommend the piss off test and I use it regularly on those attempting to flirt with me and for those attempting to befriend me. The ones without a sense of humor are cut loose immediately. Narcs have no humor and if you think they do watch closely. It's a learned humor, not innate. Amen sister about the giddy. That's me too! If I feel that way I am on extra guard alert and usually wind up running for it!
Dec 22 - 12PM (Reply to #4)
Hereforme
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You know...this is a great idea!

I may have to devise a way to try this test out.(Next time.) Have you done this before? Was it successful in showing his true self? Tell me more about the giddy feeling? I think I know but want to hear your definition. Thanks! Hereforme
Dec 23 - 12PM (Reply to #5)
Blessed
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Giddy

Hi Hereforme, Well that giddy feeling is when I feel like I am sooo fortunate to have this person in my life; there's an allure or feeling of exhilaration which is enticing as hell. I've had this happen with friends, my former mother-in-law, and of course men. All turned out to be Narcs who left me feeling used, confused, and abused. It's taken some serious reflection to look for the pattern so that I can catch that red flag behavior IN MYSELF as a cue to put my guard up and walk away. And it seems very true, in my experience, that Narcs cannot tolerate even a hint of criticism, so making a small comment early on to note their reaction may be worthwhile. Odds are, a Narc would be the one to walk away early once realizing that the person across the table is not going to be the 'adoring' target after all. Glad you only invested 8 weeks and didn't get sucked in for the wild multi-year ride! xo
Dec 23 - 12PM (Reply to #6)
Hereforme
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Thanks Giddy one!

Great comments. I did have a 23 marriage to first one. Then after years of waiting to date, a 3 year with another. Then the last two were N's again. 3 months then dumped him. This last was 8 weeks dumped him. I am learning now! But always more to learn. I am going to put your comments in my personal notes of "to do's" next time I date someone. Thanks!!!
Dec 20 - 11PM
Narcbuster
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good for you! You must have

good for you! You must have seen something that soon. That is what I'm worried about too but I don't plan to date until I'm divorced or try to anyways, could be a year from now. I also plan to only date men that have been referred to me by a friend/someone I can trust. No bars, vacations or online. That really limits the field, I'll let you know in a year. What's the rush seriously!
Dec 22 - 12PM (Reply to #2)
Hereforme
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Thanks!

You know you are right. There is no rush. I sure haven't been rushing it. That's for sure. Divorced from my N husband now 10 years and not been remarried. Some N's that I have dated and one long term one. But that was 2 years ago and been doing my growth on me since. Thanks, Hereforme