What to watch for on FIRST DATE?

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#1 Sep 1 - 10AM
Hereforme
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What to watch for on FIRST DATE?

For those of you who have moved on past the narc's in your life, what can you watch for on a first date? Are there signs to see then? We all know they are great actors, charmers and chameleons, how and what is there to look for in spite of that? Of course our gut and all we have learned gives us plenty of aid in sizing him up. Just wondering what if any other tips you could share here or examples of how you may have spotted one on a first date? Any ideas anyone? Thanks!

Sep 1 - 5PM
peacelily76
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Trust your gut instinct

I think you're gonna be fine. Go with your gut instinct. I reckon it takes a good three dates to make a decision. Don't do any of that online dating because those websites are loaded with abusers and lazy types. Here are my red flags: Desperation to please Talking over you, starting to talk before you finished your sentence Gazing at you intensely - freak!! Trying to push you into intimacy, like taking your hand without asking Not appearing relaxed, eyes looking everywhere. Not showing a regular, normal amount of interest in what you are saying. Not volunteering information about himself - deflecting the conversation back to you all the time or... Talking about himself all the time and not asking you any questions. Treating waiting staff rudely or being over-zealous with them. Someone once said to me to check how a man treats waiting staff as that is how he will treat you six months down the line. Good luck!!! And have fun!! xxx
Sep 1 - 6PM (Reply to #10)
Hereforme
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Thank you peace lily!

Great points! Thanks!
Sep 1 - 11AM
Caligirl
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First date red flags

Had a recent first date who said his wife is crazy (putting down ex's). Yes, he ended up being narky. Back and forth behavior, changes their mind, flip-flops, vague, contadicts himself. Too many compliments. Over-the-top compliments. Excessive bragging! Secretive. Dodges questions. Beats around the bush. Doesn't respect your boundaries. Pushes for intimacy. Doesn't want to take you home, leave right away. Does he make eye contact? Looking away means he is being evasive, lying, scanning for other women. That's some. I'm sure there are many more!
Sep 1 - 11AM (Reply to #7)
Hereforme
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Thank you Caligirl!

So true about the secretiveness! Remember that very clearly with both main narcs in my life! Thanks!
Sep 1 - 11AM (Reply to #8)
Caligirl
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You're welcome, hereforme!

No prob! Btw, I like your name:)
Sep 1 - 10AM
Nemesis
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Manners and excessive flattery.

Here's 2: If they "suck up" to you but are rude to the waiter/ waitress in the restaurant and treat them as inferior. or If they are using excessive flattery, e.g. they agree with everything that you say, they seem to have all of the same hobbies as you, they like everything that you like, they tell you that you're the most beautiful woman that they've ever seen etc.
Sep 1 - 10AM (Reply to #2)
Hereforme
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Thank you good points here...

But can't they also do the opposite with the waiter thing? The narcs I have known always poured on the charm to them too and acted like gods gift to everyone we were ever around. But they did do the "seeing others as inferior" thing in other ways. Thanks!
Sep 1 - 6PM (Reply to #5)
into the light
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How true! Mine would often

How true! Mine would often talk excessively to waiters, pouring on the charm. Shop assistants too ... well anybody. He only had to be sitting next to someone in the pub and before long he was trying to impress the pants off them. Sad and transparent - wish I'd seen it earlier!
Sep 1 - 11AM (Reply to #3)
Caligirl
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Waiters/waitresses

Mine was sweet to wait staff too. One time he was being mean to me before dinner, and tried to blackmail me about paying for things. I asked a waitress if we could have separate checks. He turned on his little boy charm, sweet voice, innocent eyes. He was ordering and confused, and she was leaning close and looking at the menu with him. Kept calling him sweetie. She probably thought I was mistreating him.This was in TX.
Sep 1 - 11AM (Reply to #4)
Hereforme
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Yep!

Been there! So like a narc to pull others in to make you look like the abuser!!!