Step 5 – Wake Up

While chatting with a member today regarding how much we give to the Narc and how little we receive in return a story came to mind regarding a therapy session the Narc and I had with a Psychologist and how it relates to my family of origin dynamic.

This is Step 5 work, Wake Up, so if you are new and do not relate to this right now, no worries, continue to keep working the first 3 steps for now.

Step 5: We tap into the power of our mind to awaken our spirit and find ourselves again.

My mother was a major giver, she was always giving people little things and doing things to make them feel special. She did it with us, up until she passed away, and she taught me to be a giver. Even when my father was a complete prick, she still went out of her way to make him feel special. There was no cause and effect. He got rewarded regardless to how he treated her. This was her nature and she did not withhold if she was treated badly.

Watching this as a child, set the stage for who I would become. There was no decernment, my brother would act up and be horrible and she would not punish him or teach him, she was the same regardless to what he did, my father was punishing all of us so much that she probably felt bad and did not want to add to what she saw as the abuse. The problem was that we did not respect my father, so we did not learn anything from him and we looked to her for direction, so you can see how this dynamic was created.

I grew up and repeated the cycle.

I went to a therapist a couple of years ago with the narc and the FIRST thing he said to me was, you do not know how to set limits or set bounderies with the narc, you were probably this way with your son as well. I said, what do you mean, a bit defensively? He said, Goldie, you teach people how to treat you.

He was the first one to ever say this to me, in that way. He said, I bet the narc treats you badly, no birthday present, steals your things, damages your property ect... and there is no consequence, correct? I said, well he is a grown man, I cannot tell him what to do.

He said, yes you can, my wife does it all the time, we negotiate. You train people how to treat you. I am like WTF? How do you do that? He started laughing and he said, you kick him out and do not speak with him again. He will learn. I said what if he doesn't? He said, then you end the relationship.

I was floored by all of this. I went to therapy with the narc thinking that the therapist would say what an asshole the narc was and I am being told basically that it is my fault.

Whew!!! Took me awhile to wrap my brain around all of this. Then slowly I began to clear up and realize that he was right. This was of my own making. I did not want to lose the narc or make too many waves so I was putting up with completely unacceptable behavior and my Mom, unknowingly, had preened me to be a giver no matter what the circumstances.

WOW, major aha momment.

The other side of this coin was getting MY needs met in a relationship. If I am doing all the giving and there are no consequences for what they do? Then where am I in all of this?

I am not. I do not exist, it becomes all about keeping them happy, not making too many waves, and getting completely lost in the mix.

Again, WOW, another aha momment.

So now what? I get it and HOW do I CHANGE this? Hmmmm... good question.

If I have now become someone who is more comfortable in the giving role and do not appear to know how to be comfortable in the receiving role, then how do I ever get my needs met?

This is my challenge in recovery, to learn to accept the giving when it is offered and learn to say NO to myself when I want to give to someone who is not worthy and deserving of the giving and say NO to abusive behavior.

This all was so ingrained in me that when a nice, loving, giving man came along and wanted to love me, I had no clue how to accept it and let him in. I had created a box in myself a no win situation where the good ones got repelled and the so called bad ones, the PD's, were let in with ease.

This for me has been the crux of MY disorder, never mind theirs. Theirs is not my problem anymore or my concern, my issue's are my concern.

Today, I try my best to turn this all around because now I am aware of what happened, how it happened, and that ME and only ME has the power to change this. I can only change myself; no one else. What they are doing or not doing is out of my control and frankly not my business. I can only work on myself today, no one else.

I am the Captain of my own ship and if I don't like someone's treatment of me, I can set them free, which also set's me free.

Lot's of Love,

Goldie

Sep 10 - 7PM
cindy222
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Thanks Anabelle

"Passive afraid" That says it all for me too. My mother was the same........I have heard myself say to myself that my life has gone in the same direction as my mother. When I read your comments, and especially the words 'Passive afraid"....I had my aha moment and the tears just fell and fell. Most things make sense now. I knew it was me that was passive/submissive, but I could not for the life of me work out where it came from, but at the same time I was reading your words, I had a flash back in my mind of a particular moment and everything just made sense. Now I find I am questioning myself again in thinking everything that happened with my X was my fault. If I had been stronger, maybe we would have lasted !!!. I guess I will never know. Thanks again to everyone for their words. They do help many. Hugs to all. xx
Sep 16 - 5PM (Reply to #9)
Hope
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No...you shouldn't have to be working that hard...

Cindy222, I think to a degree yes, but in a normal functional relationship I think you don't have to work very hard at it the give and take flows naturally, it's super hard to hold boundaries with N's they are bullies. Don't come down on yourself too hard, give yourself credit for trying and going for it, awareness is the key and if we have that we can just be mindful for the next time!!!!!!!!
Sep 8 - 6PM
Susan32
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The Endless Dream

The ex-Psych prof idolized Leo Tolstoy. It was Sofia, his wife of 48 years, who said in her diary, that being married to him was like an "endless dream." She often associated her marriage with dreaming. It's like the truth was too difficult to face. Dreaming is important and serves its purpose. As a recent NOVA SCIENCE NOW show has shown, dreams help us with real-life learning. But when ALL of one's life is a dream, THEN there is the problem. When the Buddha was enlightened, he was asked if he were a god. His answer? "I am awake." Awakening brings enlightenment.
Sep 8 - 12PM
Anabelle
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Thank you

"If I am doing all the giving and there are no consequences for what they do? Then where am I in all of this?" Thank you
Sep 9 - 1AM (Reply to #5)
tresor2
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Universe

The universe has a way of keeping an accountbook of people's cruel behaviors. The law of kharma will prevail, eventually. No worry about the N getting his. In terms of you, as the psychologist said, kick him out or leave...he may learn or he may not. Ask yourself what you are getting out of giving to someone who does not recipricate and is it realistic to think that N may change his selfish ways. Our job is to take care of ourselves by setting boundaries and teaching others where the line is drawn. Narcs do what they do when they want to do it. Maybe there are a few things we can learn from them. For me, the work is understanding myself and knowing why I think that the only way to get validation is to give. Giving, for me, was the only way I could show people I cared; I didn't have the skills to connect emotionally/verbally and always felt I wasn't good enough. Therefore, I gave and gave and kept my mouth shut most of the time, just like my mother did.
Sep 9 - 1AM (Reply to #6)
Anabelle
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Thank you for sharing this.

Thank you for sharing this. It really touched my soul. "Giving, for me, was the only way I could show people I cared; I didn't have the skills to connect emotionally/verbally and always felt I wasn't good enough. Therefore, I gave and gave and kept my mouth shut most of the time, just like my mother did." I personally think, this is the key. We are giving, they don't know how to give. But what we share with an N is a mother with a wrong attitude. His mother was passive aggressive, my mother was passive afraid. (...) And so...our patterns are somehow in a dialog....
Sep 8 - 12PM
Sparrow
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This is incredible!

Love it Goldie! And love "you teach people how to treat you" That speaks VOLUMES............... Thanks for sharing!
Sep 8 - 11AM
Used
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goldie

this is great, yes people can only get away with something if we let them...i have set my bar so high now, and my bounderies..if anyone tries to over step them,they are gone...even if i realy like them...thanks for this..
Nov 26 - 8AM (Reply to #1)
fraidythecat
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Old Saying

I was once told that "You deserve what you tolerate." And in a sense that is true. However, if we were raised to tolerate being neglected or abused, this can become a cloudy, and dangerous, saying. So I guess the key is to find out what "normal" looks like, and learn not to tolerate anything less. Now the challenge becomes, what is normal?
Nov 30 - 6PM (Reply to #2)
Goldie
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I suppose this is one way of looking at it

I would not so much say deserve what you tolerate. I would say you get what you allow. As for the deserving part this is not necessarily the case. Many people get treatment that they in no way deserve so that is not an accurate statement. As for what normal or healthy looks like this is a challenge for many on here and also a challenge for our society these days. The social "norms" are out of control if you ask me. And what some would have found completely unacceptable just a generation ago are behaviors accepted today. What is healthy for you may not be what is healthy for someone else. I think a good place to start is to begin to write about it; make a list of wants and needs. I also had a troubled childhood and had no clue how "others" were living until I had my first sleepover at a girlfriends house when I was in the 5th grade. I was amazed at how sweet her mother was to her. It was a startling contract to my house where it was a perpetual battleground. My new list would look something like this, in terms of a relationship: He needs to have a job, lol. His own established life. Friends, his own possessions, a car, ect... Not a fly by night looking to camp out on my dime. He needs to have a good sense of humor and care about his family and friends. He needs to be honest. He needs to be respect me and my opinions. He needs to be sober or a social drinker; no alcoholics or drug addicts for me, thank you. All set, been there done that already. That is just a start an example. Try to writing a list of what is acceptable to YOU and what is NOT. God bless, Goldie