Your Narc or X issues w/ drinking, pot or other drugs?

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#1 Dec 4 - 6PM
StillHurting
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Your Narc or X issues w/ drinking, pot or other drugs?

I am wondering if your narcs were self medicating with liquor or drugs. The Narc is a smoker and I rarely saw his straight. I could tell the difference from his daytime persona when he was straight and his night persona where he was all loving and goofy. In fact, it is still this way now. Very blunt and short during the day, and really loving and nice in the evenings.

Dec 8 - 3PM
BAW
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Yup

Self medicated with pot every night, smoked at least a pack of cigs a day too. And also with the crappy eating! If I wasn't around to cook he would eat hot dogs and big gulps from 7-11 or microwave a bowl of cheese to dip nachos in. Blargh.
Dec 8 - 1PM
Scoop
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Mine smoked pot , he had a

Mine smoked pot , he had a drug induced psycosis shortly after i left him but i think he was heading that way for a long time , he was so crazy , he accused me of stealing from him .. WTF . he didnt smoke dope in the first year i was with him but then he smoked it all day everyday and drunk loads too , he stopped working so he could work on his political manifesto lol he called it "the partisan onion" lol and it was in a folder with little drawings on it of onions ... holy mother ... where was my head at to think he was a "great mind" .. oh yes i know he TOLD me he was a great mind over and over again while telling me how stupid i was lol... god he was boring ...and thick , he really thought his "political work " was going to rival Marxs .
Dec 8 - 1PM (Reply to #22)
StillHurting
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The weed for your narc, too???

Yes, and he says it is not an addiction. I think if you don't skip one day ever never then there is a dependency on it. I am not saying it's like crack or whatever, but there is a need to medicate and escape. The narc cut down quite a bit. Like some said, I was not aware that he was probably high most of the time a while back, and he was really nice then. I don't do drugs, so maybe I was not aware of it. He is not much of a drinker, a beer now and again. So the porn and the alcohol/drug abuse seem to be some common factors the narcs we have mentioned out here have in common. Oh yes, and the lying, too.
Dec 7 - 1PM
helldweller
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substance abuse

Mine drank a fifth of vodka straight a day--or more. He also must have smoked about three packs of Malboro reds a day. He eats no breakfast and has bologna sandwiches for lunch every day. He gives his foster child Little Debbie donut sticks for breakfast every day, and my daughters tell me the kid has cheetos and ding dongs in his lunch every day, along with peanut butter or bologna sandwiches. No exercise of any kind--except sex of course. I'm pretty sure he smokes pot and also probably snorts coke,as he talked all the time about his friends doing it-- and his best friend owns a string of ultra-exclusive Chicago nightclubs.
Dec 7 - 10PM (Reply to #20)
gettinbetter
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our tax dollars at work....

our tax dollars at work.... Nice
Dec 7 - 3PM (Reply to #18)
Susan32
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Junk food

It seems like junk food addiction (well, it's legal) is common among Ns/Ps. Normal people seek solace in food and alcohol when they're heartbroken as well... but with Ns/Ps, the addiction is PART of them. The ex-Psych professor got fat after the honeymoon/hoover period of my sophomore year. My sophomore year, he played tennis, went skiing... but after that, he went downhill. He'd complain to his students during class about me dating... and he was no longer physically desirable. So, instead of talking to ME about it, communication--he dealt with his frustration by stuffing his face. He'd brag about being vegetarian... but he was caught at a fast food joint chowing down on hamburgers. The ex-P had horrific tooth decay for a young man of 32. It might've come from smoking, or the junk food. He said he liked bland food (in that case, he should've moved to the Midwest instead of New Mexico, known for its chiles), and that spicy stuff bothered his stomach. He might've had IBS, like my Narc grandmother. My Narc grandmother is into junk food as well... always has been. I had a Narc coworker (a cook) who weighed in at least 300 pounds... he thought he was a sex god. And he loved his junk food. Despite being married, he'd hit on female coworkers. He also insisted that his coworkers make grape juice for him... because apparently he couldn't make it himself.
Dec 8 - 9AM (Reply to #19)
Goldie
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Interesting

My X-N/P ate nothing but junk. He would stand in the kitchen and stuff handfulls of cheese into his mouth with it falling all over the floor, made me sick to watch. He never ate vegetables, salad, fish, ect... and made fun of me for eating lamb. He said: who the f eats lamb, you are a sicko and I said: Lamb is one of the cleanest, leanest meats and mostly rich people like it you dumb f. As for the drugs and alcohol, a regular thing for him he was always high, I did not realize how much at the time. He had apparently gotten extremely heavy at one time after 2 or 3 girls "screwed him over" when he was like 22 or 23. I said to him once: normal people eat junk for a treat, they do not live on it 24/7. He was basically "treating" himself round the clock on junkfood, drugs, alcohol, hookers ect... All the vices, really quite disgusting. Nothing like me who loves health food, hiking, dancing, spirituality ect.... with him it was all about instant gratification, creature comforts. Sex, watching TV, buying himself things, going out, and playing with himself. What a pathetic pig really. Major arrested development and no sense of delayed gratification or saving, goal setting, the other person, and all the things that makes us strong, spiritual, and one with character. The guy had no character, no backbone, no true grit, no inner core. Just a shell wanting to be filled by everyone elses energy, time, and money. Total entitlement, if he wanted something he would simply take it. He was a theif, a theif of people's things, time, and soul. When I think of him now, I'm like: what the f was I thinking? This guy is a joke an embarassment to be seen with or associated with on any level. Seriously, whether or not he ended up in jail as he did, had I ever married him, I would have most assuredly woken up one day and been like: why did I marry this pathetic loser who hurts and embarasses me at every turn and of course the fact that he could be trusted as far as I can throw a stone, which is not very far. Since N/C, I would say at about month 4 or 5 as my thinking began to clear, I was thanking God everyday that I was no longer with this poor excuse for a human being. My son said it all the first week he met M. Mom, M is just not spiritual. Man oh man, if I ever hear those words again you will smell the rubber burning and hear the loud screetching as my car peels so fast down the road. I think of the Holiday season, with him tucked safely away in jail and what a sham he made of it last year, with his drunken, slothful, self serving, disgusting ways and feel blessed that while yes, I am alone this season, it is far better to be alone than to be sleeping with the devil. God bless, Goldie
Dec 7 - 1PM (Reply to #14)
Briseis
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Good lord, he'll be dead

Good lord, he'll be dead before you know it. I expect to hear from my lawyer that my exN finally killed himself or got himself killed. It's a wonder they live as long as they do! My father (a Narc) is soon to be 71. He has done every high risk drug and stupid activity and that f*cker is still ALIVE and walking around. There's a saying that God looks out for drunks and fools. I guess it's true. He ought to spend a little bit more time looking out for their VICTIMS if you ask me. I feel SO badly for that little foster boy. Every time you mention him my heart just SINKS. What a truly unfortunate child. What a true victim he is. He wouldn't have been a foster child if he weren't previously victimized, and now? My god it just hurts to think of him :(
Dec 8 - 10AM (Reply to #17)
Goldie
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Major aha moment

Briseis, Your story is all coming back to me now. I remember how my father was just so.... strange all the time and as a child, I had no idea what to make of it. He would say loving things on occasion and make promises and there was NEVER any follow through. He was obsesssed with my sister (yet appeared to hate me, I was the smart one who could see through his bullshit), in a bizzare way and she still lives with him and she is in her 40's. She nearly went psychotic when he at last got a girlfriend a few years ago. He verbally abused me something awful and made light of any accomplishments of mine, yet my sister could fart and that was a blessed event. She was always in trouble and screwed up like him, yet she could do no wrong. My mother was on her deathbed and my sister called me a c--- cuz I gave the nurses some of the food people brought for us and I told him what she said and he told ME to cut it out and be nice to my sister. It was always like that, really played with my head and self esteem BIG TIME. She was drunk one night and in a blackout and just started punching me for no reason and he said: after I told him exactly what happened, why can't you get along with your sister? Really really screwed up and his own second wife asked him in front of me: why are you so nice to the bad daughter and so mean to the good one? Talk about cognitive dissonance!!!!! He NEVER did anything for me and would seem almost bored when I would talk about myself. He was prone to violent rages and would beat his children and wife. He was selfish and self serving. His idea of a family vacation was doing what he wanted. He was boastful and cheap with his money towards us. He was cruel with his dogs. Yet, to the world at large "appeared" to think he was o.k. The whole thing was very confusing to my brain and oh yes, everything was ALWAYS everyone else's fault. I left that house as soon as I could and seldom looked back. I thought I was o.k. because I got away from him. Well little did I know until a few months ago that he was and is a flaming NARC. I had no real label for it and even though I knew about NARCS my head in the sand, don't think about it, denial attitude towards my father was so strong that I never made the connection until NOW. My sick as f father practically preened me to become a NARC magnet. My son's father was a N as were most of my boyfriends (though none of them as bad as the last one), it took this last psycho piece of shit who was the poster child for bad behavior to at long last open my eyes to the whole cycle. I have studied psychology my entire life and still could not see it in ME because I had blocked out the true horror of my father out of my mind for self perservation until now. No wonder I feel sick when ever I am around my father. When he touches me it makes me want to cringe. My mother always commented on this and the funny thing was that she had the same look in her eyes when ever he put his arms aroung her. WOW, this is the beginning to my freedom. I was taught to honor the father and that has screwed me up for years. I am here to finally announce: tada....I do not honor my father because he was a sick sick sick f... and had no business raising children. I actually don't hate him, I feel nothing but a wanting to get away from him whenever he is around and he is a major liar, theif, basically creepy dude but his rap is so good (he runs a major business) that he has some people snowed and that was confusing as shit as a small child. It's like this "thing" lay dormant in me and did not come out again until the stars lined up and I was sent a NARC in adulthood who was as twisted as my father and it triggered everything in me from childhood and I was almost paralyzed with fear from the past when the current N would abuse me. Basically my life was on point and within 7 short months this man was able to nearly destroy me and bring me to my knees because he was an almost identical replica of my father and while it was going on I was ALMOST powerless to do anything about it and then one day I looked at the NARC and I found the stength to look him dead in the eyes and say: God will not allow the likes of you to take me down and I began the process of getting this disgusting creep out of my life and he sits in jail today which is exactly where he belongs. My father should have gone to jail for child, spousal, animal, abuse and whatever other shady dealings he had with people but he got away with it and he even stole my mother's money. When she finally wound up in rehab, 20 years after marrying this dirtbag he forged her signature and signed the house over to himself and sold it and kept all the profits. My mother being a kind loving person did not want to cause trouble for her children's father and had already met a man who she eventually married who was set for life, allowed him to get away with it and she wrote him a letter, which I have, the dumb f kept it for years in his desk, which says I am not going to prosecute you for stealing my money but please make sure you use it to help our children and our grandson and as you probaly know, we never got a dime. I sit here right now writing this and trust me this is only a small sample, and am amazed that I have come as far as I have. I think for me the key was to get away from him when I did and never look back. I forged my own path and never relied on him for a thing and it made me strong. I just had no idea until now how much damage was really caused my this man inside of me because to the outside it always looked like I was so highly functioning. No one could tell there was so much damage in me because it did not appear to to affect the other areas of my life, only this area, the area of relationships with men. Wow that was cleansing to release all that, feels like I was just at a meeting with you all and got the weight of the world off my chest. Thanks for listening and thanks for being here for me. God bless, Goldie
Dec 7 - 8PM (Reply to #15)
helldweller
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Brie

If you saw this child you would DIE. He is the sweetest little thing in the whole world. I think the narcs live so long because they don't believe anything will happen to them. Part of the fantasy. A cop friend of mine told me about a course he took that was so fascinating. It was to teach cops how to think like gangbangers in order to stay alive. The things is: when a gangbanger gets shot or stabbed, it's a very different thing than when a middle class joe gets shot or stabbed. The idea is that the middle class joe expects to die because that's what his social norms dictate. The gangbanger has the "nine lives" attitude: he has seen his friends take knives and bullets and live again and again. So they don't expect to die, and very often don't whereas the middle class joe would. I think that, because narcs invent their own reality they just pretend everything is ok, and I think it really makes a difference. I have no idea why my narc is still alive. The OW told me he had a bunch of tests done, but that she actually was at the doctor with him and he was given a clean bill of health. A clean bill of health. Smoking three packs of "cowboy killers" a day and drinking a fifth or more of vodka a day AND having had both parents die of cancer in their sixties (he's fifty three).
Dec 8 - 8AM (Reply to #16)
StillHurting
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This narc thinks that way too

Not about health, he is now in great health. He does other things that he just gets away with. It is amazing to see how many secrets and betrayals there are, and I know there are some he hasn't told me about. It is quite amazing that they think whatever they are doing, legal or illegal, freaky or dishonest, it is all okay. I can't relate. I try to be honest and live a good clean life. The only "bad" thing I ever did was participate in the affair with him.
Dec 6 - 9PM
rosedewittbukater
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booze and pot

Yup. Complained that her ex smoked too much, however it's OK for her.! Her main form of self medicating however was booze. Like alot of alcoholics she would announce from time to time she was going to "cut down" on the drinking, and this would last a week or maybe two. Then back to the bottle with a vengeance.
Dec 5 - 2PM
Briseis
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Constantly

When I first met him, he was a "christian" (ain't gonna capitalize or dignify what he really was with that word). He didn't drink or smoke or nothing. My kid's dad was a bad drug addict, and I left him before our son was even born. A long term boyfriend after him was an alcoholic. My father was a major NPD drug addict and tried to overdose "at" my mother uncountable times, he'd be so drunk or high he'd pass out and shit himself right there in the livingroom :( So when I found myself attracted to and falling in love with my exN I was SO relieved. The dude wouldn't even drink a beer. Dated a few weeks, and he admits he USED to, a loooooong time ago, have a little problem with drugs. It was right after his wife left him. He got a DUI. That's why he didn't have a driver's license, you see, and rode his bike to work. The MOMENT he moved in with me, he bought a bag of weed. My kids and my house and my life was making him relapse (in a nutshell). He was a wake n bake pothead from the beginning. And you know what? I preferred him high. When he was high, he was silly and funny and mild. When he ran out of weed, he was angry, spiteful and mean. I used to WATCH his pot stash and notify him when he was getting low. Not that I needed to, he wasn't THAT high. It was pure self protection. My kids found his pot supply and started smoking it too. My daughter told me last year he GAVE her some weed when she was 16, when he'd been living with us less than a month. My son was 13. It was their dirty little secret. My own husband was smoking out my CHILDREN, and I didn't know it until last year :( . He worked in an ER and brought home (a massive felony) "wasted" narcotics like ketamine, and once a patient left her whole stash of Oxycontins behind in the treatment room. He got those too. My son had stopped taking Ritalin (sort of outgrew the ADHD) and there was a half full bottle of old ones in the kitchen. Gone. Then, he came home one day and could not shut UP, he was jerky and his eyes looked funny and he practically raped me. I'd never been around anyone who did meth, I had no idea that it was meth at the time. By this time, I was drinking a lot of vodka myself, just to be able to tolerate my life, so this period of time is hazy, as I had my OWN substance abuse issues :( He got into a car accident, got taken to the ER, and was found to be quite strung out, so off to treatment he went. He got clean and sober and that lasted about six months. In the meantime, he finally convinced me to sell my house in So Cal and we sold everything and moved to Idaho, left the kids aged 21 and 19 behind. Within six months he was doing meth, drinking large amounts of hard liquor and buying pills. Yeah, my Narc had issues :P He could not tolerate being straight. Ever. I'm positive he never ever was, as long as I knew him, I'm just naive about that stuff. That's why I'm positive my Narc was a deeply, deeply miserable person, and had some glimmer of insight into what a mess he was. The meth made him feel purely Narcissistic, on top o the world, and the pot soothed his constant rage and immaturity.
Dec 5 - 2PM (Reply to #11)
StillHurting
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To Bris...

OMG! That all sounds just terrible! I am sorry you went through this and kids were in the house. I agree with the "nicer when high" thing, too. Mean in the daytime, nice in the nighttime. These men sound so miserable. Most of them with drugs and porn and whatever. What a horrid existence. I think I was a pretty good influence on the Narc. He is a better person now, and even some of his rude traits improved. Thank you, God, for not letting this thing with Narc work out or go anywhere further in the future!
Dec 4 - 10PM
blueeyes
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Alcohol and Drugs

YES! My H was drinking more than a pint of JD a day when we met. I told him that was unacceptable so he stopped! Just like that his family was shocked. Then came percocets, then came methadone and finally I'm finding empty capsuls of my daughters adderall!
Dec 4 - 7PM
anonymous
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Narcs as Addicts

Yes. Smoked pot every night to self-medicate for supposed bi-polar disorder. Drank 20 cups of coffee per day. And smoked 2 packs of cigarettes a day. Also ate like crap and slept strange hours. Bascially, a burn-out teenager in an aging 37 year old body. Tell-tale sign of a narc - no ability to self-sooth without using destructive methods.
Dec 4 - 8PM (Reply to #6)
StillHurting
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To Morty

Eats great now because he copies me, and is much healthier. Smokes weed every day and never skips it. Has a sleeping issue where he can't get himself to bed before 3AM, and so is tired all the time. Tried to tell him to try and skip days now and then on the smoking because I know he can do it....that was like the worst thing I ever said to him. He was appalled that I would suggest that at all
Dec 5 - 6AM (Reply to #7)
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Still Hurting - Appalled

Funny. When I told him that perhaps a more formal type of therapy in addition to marijuana might be in order for him to help understand himself and why he cycles through so many close people in his life, I was told that I was "misguided" and "spiteful". The reason this is funny? Because while it was seemingly unacceptable for me to advise it to him ... my advice came after HE had told ME that I needed counseling so that I could knock down the tall poles in my life. What's good for the goose... doesn't apply. Unsolicited advice / no personal accountability - classic narc!
Dec 5 - 7AM (Reply to #8)
StillHurting
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If you tell them anything they do is wrong....

The they come back with finding something wrong with you. He finally told me that he would never give up the weed so I might as well drop it right now "and work on my own issues." Right, I am working on my own issues....getting away from him!
Dec 4 - 7PM
Susan32
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Yes...

The ex-Psych professor's alcoholism was rumored... but it came out with a vengeance during the final D&D. From drinking down beer at the senior skit to leading a class that mainly consisted of drinking wine off-campus (ironically, it was the least popular class-and how many college students REFUSE alcohol? WTH?)... he was hitting the bottle hard, despite the fact his girlfriend from LA was moving in. My freshman year, he said "I wish I didn't drink." His subsequent behavior didn't dispel the rumors. The rumor was that he wore dark glasses to cover up his bloodshot eyes. Most of my classmates summed him up as a mean drunk. Ns/Ps expect us to mirror their negative qualities. I think the ex-P wanted me to hit rock bottom due to his rejection, during the final D&D... but he was the one who was drinking heavily. It might've explained his obvious beer belly during the final two years. I went thru the final D&D sober. Cold sober. My Narc maternal grandfather was alcoholic and belonged to AA. My ex-Narc boss dealt with alcohol issues, but he wasn't in deep denial about it. Leo Tolstoy was alcoholic;the ex-P identified with that instead of the genius.
Dec 5 - 3PM (Reply to #2)
Fawn
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Alcohol Use

Yes, Ex-N calls himself an Alcoholic now. He started going to AA about 4 months after I kicked him out. He goes to several meetings a week and this is his only social activity. Anyone he spends any time with, anywhere he goes, all AA people. He drank a lot when we were together. He was a binge drinker though, not a daily drinker. I think he was self-medicating. Now he has nothing except whatever supply he can garner from the crazy women he meets in AA. He has turned one particular meeting into his support group and they listen to and believe whatever lies he makes up. None of our circle of friends that we had will have anything to do with him, so I guess he had to get new friends somewhere.
Dec 7 - 2PM (Reply to #3)
Hunter
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Sex,Drugs & Rock n Roll,

Sex,Drugs & Rock n Roll, when he D & D me. I called him an alcoholic, he went nuts, then some how his drinking was my fault. Being here everyday just reassures me what a true loser he is.
Dec 8 - 12PM (Reply to #4)
broken23
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Ditto, and i got blamed for

Ditto, and i got blamed for the drinking too. Somehow everyone else around him believed it to. Always wondered how does someone make others drink.