Woman to woman ... why don't we help the OW?

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#1 Feb 22 - 6PM
Krooks
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Woman to woman ... why don't we help the OW?

This is my first post so I guess a bit of background on me is only fair. I've been in a relationship with an extreme N for the past 3+ years. I knew him through work - both professionals - for 3-4 years prior to getting involved in this nightmare. He was one of my "safe" acquaintances ... Why? In part bc he's married. So I didn't ever have to worry about boyfriends getting jealous or him hitting on me... Right! And to make it worse, I used to tell my friends how great he was. I was naive, to put it lightly. In fact, our first "date" ended up being a performance that I took him to with a girlfriend of mine so that I could introduce him to her in the hopes of setting them up once he was over his divorce... In November of 2008, just after my birthday when I had ended a relationship with someone else, I bought into the whole "getting a divorce" cliche ... along with a ton of other nonsense in the whirlwind-energized-fairytale-falling-in-"love" period. It was "magic" ... Or at least, tho I didn't know it at the time, falling in love with a man that was incapable of feeling such that his way of winning me over was to project back on to me the love that I wanted by showing me the love that I expressed - was magical... I didn't know that all of the early on "magical" times we danced under bridges in Central Park listening to "If I only only had a Brain", laughing and holding each other in an embrace that I was convinced was the most amazing love in the world, that he was merely entertaining me by directing the departing lyrics of his last victim towards me... Yup, if I only had a brain, eh? Haha.

... Today is officially Day 1 of NC, and well, I'm not doing so well. Mainly because I don't trust myself. I'm certainly not new at this game - been through harassing letters threatening my career, threats to my family & my friends, emotional, financial, verbal and physical abuse, all followed by endless vows that I won't ever let myself go back - yet I do. I don't imagine that any of my to-hell-and-back stories are all that different from most women on here. So - today I spent hours reading on this website. Attempting to digest all that you all have to say in the hopes of staying strong. (Thank you). I'll get into the rest of my story on the share your story link at some point soon. I guess one of the things that keeps occurring to me after reading a ton on here is that while we all seem eager to help each other, why does no one advocate helping the OW? I won't profess to have an idea of what that would entail or how that could be done - and I wouldn't ever suggest breaking NC or going out of your way to find out who she is, etc. for obvious reasons re managing your own emotional well being as a primary concern. And I also understand that the very notion of the OW is beyond hurtful. ... I guess I just was hoping to see what people think about this.

Early on in my nightmare when my N told me he was off to do laundry (down the hall) and would be back in 5 minutes, and then just disappeared entirely and forwarded his phone to his assistant, I called his wife. Low & behold, he was on his way to meet her for a family vacation. Beyond shocking at that time (yet so obvious in hindsight). Something I would have NEVER known had I not called. He would have gone and come back to me, lying, deceiving, and eventually - as I did anyhow - I would have "believed" him and given up on my gut. The thing is - although I'm far from out of the woods, I truly believe that if I didn't call her. If I didn't do that taboo thing, then I would probably still not see who he really is because his lies and manipulation are beyond anything I have ever known. The seed wouldn't have been planted so firmly so early on.

Since then a lot has happened and I imagine that as they are still married he has painted me as a Glen-Close-Fatal-Attraction-esq character. So I'm not suggesting I should contact his wife again (although I'm often tempted to) - or that anyone should believe they can help someone who dated the same narc since she was 15 years old and believes everything he says, moved to the middle of no-where to live isolated with her 2 kids waiting for his "nuggets" (as many of you have referred to those desperate times yearning for attention) and does not want help (last bit being the key) ... What I guess I'm asking this forum is - can't we do more to help prevent other innocent women from falling into this place?? Telling the OW? And again, I think we've all probably lived in our own whirlwinds of drama such that we don't want to be the instigators of more of it, but just imagine someone had told you prior to day one that your N was a psychopath? That he would wrap you up in a dizzying spell of lies, twist you into a pretzel leaving you clueless of which way was up and which was down in a false world which would leave you close to dead inside before you hopefully began to escape -- all masked in "love" and "dreams of a future" with "Mr. Perfect" - the Mr. Perfect that he stole from your dreams by using the things you held dearest to you. Would it have helped? Would it have made you listen even just a little bit more to that nagging feeling you had probably pretty early on at the first warning signs??

If a person molests a child, they are put on a national registry so that people can be made aware of what they have done. ... I'm being a little flip here (and in no way mean to express an opinion on the CM national registry) but -- wouldn't it be nice to have a national registry of these men that have collectively sucked years out of our lives in such horrible ways and at least hope that in doing so we are arming the next potential victim and hopefully protecting her or maybe even opening the eyes of women who would otherwise believe that what they experience is just how things are "supposed" to be because it's all they know?

... Apologies for the rant.

X ~ K

Feb 24 - 11AM
abreva
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the OW or NW could try to contact us

You know, she could try to contact me. She has my number. She could ask. She could do a character reference check with me. You know? It's up to her. I don't know what I would say if she asked. (That might be another thread.) It's actually ridiculous the way people buy his story. If he was such a great guy- then why would I leave him? I wonder what story he tells about me? Weirdo. This is a very helpful thread -- why don't we help -- because I feel so sorry for the NW. Everybody does. And I feel sorry for myself today.
Feb 24 - 11AM
TNR1
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I can't speak for anyone else

I can't speak for anyone else on this forum...but Mr. N had pumped me full of so many comparisons that made me feel great about myself that I would not have listened to his gf or anyone else "warning" me. Heck, within the first month of meeting him...my therapist stated he was a Narcissist (I even have the journal entry to prove it) and I still thought it could work. Translation...she told me the stove top was hot and I still had to put my hand on it in order to "know" that it would burn my hand. I understand what you are saying about helping each other..but sometimes I think the best way we help each other is really to heal ourselves...so that when other women come to this forum after having suffered a Narc relationship, we can help them to recover.
Feb 24 - 6AM
velvet2012
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You don't believe it anyway

I am not yet sure my man is a narcissist despite a few alarming factors. I got contacted by a woman he had been hitting on and despite her sending me proof of exchanges, I was convinced she had faked it (still am to a certain extent) as he denied all and told me she was insane, jealous. He made other very demeaning comments about her both from a physical and moral point of view. I don't know yet what to believe and have been reading on this site. The fact is, our world is so broken apart that probably anybody in a stressful situation could have one or more of the traits mentioned on this website applicable to him. I am even trying with an open mind to check whether I myself could be one as he mentioned I am one. Despite extensive exchanges with the woman who had been a victim of another narcissist before being in contact with my man, I am still not convinced that she is telling me the truth. I'd say therefore that it is probably good to mention as it starts alarm bells (I would probably not have got on this website to read if she had not talked to me) but when we are back with our man, we know that it cannot possibly be true. Somewhere, deep down hidden in my normally very rational mind, there continues to be a checklist that is ticking off the points that I find comparable between the stories I read here and the traits I know of my man. I remain, however, very much in love with him and continue to believe him, persuaded even that this might all be a conspiracy of people who dislike him and are jealous of our unique love. Insisting too much would probably just confirm the jealousy theory and put off the woman. I personally was quite upset when the woman who contacted me kept asking me to get a grip on myself and to wake up. I felt at some point that she was just upset at me being happy. It is a strange feeling with the gnawing in your mind about this possibly being the truth, yet being put off when the other woman insists too much and is too vocal. I hope it has helped a bit like all the posts on this website are helping me. Although I feel terribly sorry for what all the women who post here I am still grateful that their experience can help many of us who are still in a shaky place. Thanks to all.
Feb 24 - 12PM (Reply to #37)
Run4it
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Velvet2012

We are all here for a reason and I have found it is definitely not in my best interest to ignore the red flags and ringing bells. I feel certian that my exN's OW has been convinced that I was so madly in love with the N that I am just terribly jealous of her and her new found soul mate and happpiness. I can see it in her body language that she has already been thoroughly brain washed when I run into her. Her cross to bear though.... Glad you are here and that you find your way.
Feb 24 - 2AM
Im_always_fine
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"Physician heal thyself." You

"Physician heal thyself." You need to recover...heal...restore...rebuild...YOURSELF. NO CONTACT means no contact even vicariously. You will remain in HIS life by contact with the woman he is involved with. This is thin ice. You WILL confirm his assertion that you are a fatal-attraction-Glen-Close-type. And since he is a fish from your professional pond, the repercussions could be devastating. Maybe you are subconsciously attempting to punish him by denying him his relationship with his OW. Just saying. You are in day 1 of NC. You still have MUCH to endure. So much healing to do. Take care of yourself. Leave her alone unless she reaches out to you then by all means help her.
Feb 24 - 12PM (Reply to #35)
Run4it
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Point well taken. Thanks for

Point well taken. Thanks for that reminder...
Feb 23 - 3PM
marisha
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Useless

As many already told here, to try and help the OW untill she herself will eat this sh*t and come to realization who is who and whatnot, she won't believe you and WILL BE lured back...N people like to cause these triangulations and then make it even more appealing for this poor soule that despite the frozen hell he needs her or she is the love of his life and he realized that...women usually are suckers for these romantic sap :) we are, so we get lulled back into his Oh so Loving arms... i had this "luxury" to Speak to OW... she contacted me when we were still together with ex N i suspected of her she "suspected" of me.. (coming to the house where bunch of women's and kids stuff, my pictures our family pictures all around..HE Somehow pursueded her that I am his "best friend".. good that not a sister)... anyway she reached out to me at the moment when he promissed me that she was a mistake and DD her.. i told her that i suspect NPD and all that... she listned agreed ... said that she feel sorry for all his victims and was soo understanding... compared notes... and understood that he was cheating and lying to her as well as to me... and guess what happenned?? he got another interest... i have had it and kicked him out of my life and went NC.. and guess what i learned recently??? He lives with her with the same woman.. for the lack of fresh supply and old supply .. he pursuaded her to come back somehow... he needs someone to pay his rent :) ... that's it... that's the result of the warning her. regards, M.
Feb 23 - 8AM
midnight7
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We have no right to interfere

We have no right to interfere in the lives of others unless of course they have specifically asked us for advice and even then, unless we are experienced, we may cause more harm than good. Would I have liked someone, the OW, to warn me? I wouldn't have believed her - the xN had me convinced she was unstable bordering on the insane (she was not of course and in due course we exchanged notes and saw that we'd both lived the same hell). Saving people from Ns is simple - we must learn to listen to our instincts and respond to the red flags. Not all people are taken in by psychopaths by any means - some run on first contact. All of us here had core issues however that made us vulnerable to the Ns MO and this is what we must strive to work on. We need to love ourselves and make oursleves our own firm foundation in the world - people who need no outside validation - then we may become whole with the ability to recognise the disordered immediately in the future. Perhaps, if you question yourself closely, you seek revenge however rather than to assist? This is also natural, there is a great deal of anger after a break up with a N. Leave the past where it should be - in the past - who cares where evil is/what it now does and with whom? You are on a new journey, you are free, free to heal and move forward.
Feb 23 - 3PM (Reply to #32)
sohurt12345
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Well said

I completely agree with this post. Yes, we made a mistake and let N consume us, but we can stop the madness. It's all a process of getting out and staying away. It's hard to see the big picture when we are stuck in the midst of it, but when we get over that hump we will be able to start to see what N is all about. And when we work on ourselves (our self-esteem, our self-confidence, our self-respect, etc...) we will see the red flags more clearly. I, myself, thought he was wonderful. I thought he was the best thing that ever happened to me. I complimented him, cherished him and just thought the world of him. I believed (?) or was convinced of all his lies that I kept going back for more. Now that I am out, I DO feel free and am so much happier. I cried endless night and just wished that he would be all mine. Now I am grateful he is not mine. Thanks for your post.
Feb 23 - 12PM (Reply to #30)
Night Owl
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Mine Too!

"the xN had me convinced she was unstable bordering on the insane (she was not of course and in due course we exchanged notes and saw that we'd both lived the same hell)." THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO ME. He told me how crazy she was, funny at the end he started calling me crazy too. After I left the N I talked to his ex and found out she went through the same crap as me with him. Neither of us were crazy, he baited us and gaslighted us.
Feb 24 - 4AM (Reply to #31)
HelpMeHeal
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I think an OW tried to reach me....

Early on with my ExN, my house phone got a lot of private calls. I never answered but I did comment to him that someone (his wife) may be trying to find him. He just laughed. Completely fearless. Meanwhile, I was shivering inside. By the way, no calls anymore. In retrospect, I don't think it was his wife. I think it was the OW who was being discarded at that time. I should have answered. I know I would have been able to end things with him that early on. I know it. Instead..... Ugh. I think it depends how deeply involved the OW is at the time of contact. If it's early enough, she could be saved, but why bother? She'll figure it out on her own. In my case, I would only be seeking revenge on him. Not a good reason for me to stir the pot.
Feb 23 - 11AM (Reply to #27)
Krooks
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Yes, there is no doubt in my

Yes, there is no doubt in my mind that I seek revenge as I'm still very much in the throws of desperately wanting out and trying to see him for what he is. Day 2 NC. Day 1,163 of hell. And, although I blocked my number after telling him I did not want to speak with him again - the reality is I am on Day 2 because he is on vacation somewhere in the world and has lied to me yet again (upstate watching his kids all week...) and simply can't be bothered dealing with me. I blocked my number so that I wouldn't know if he called. So that I could attempt to take back the control in my life ... Please let this time be "it"! I am still very afraid of how easily I will lurch for whatever nugget of poop he will toss my way when he's back from his 39th bday fk fest. Although I can't get him out of my mind, I can get him off of my phone. So - yes, I absolutely would not deny that there are a great amount of mixed emotions that go into every aspect of this process - including rage, anger, fear, revenge, pain, depression, humiliation ... And those that seem "taboo" to each of us individually, those that make us ashamed of ourselves, are the hardest to handle. But, that said, I am learning to accept my anger, to embrace my frustrations around my fears and to stop denying them for what they are. And, more importantly for me, to recognize when different emotions are at play. The reason I posted the topic re getting in touch with the OW is because no one had said anything about it that I saw and part of what touches me so much when I'm reading all of these posts is how much everyone here is able to support each other and give each other the voice that we have all had stripped from ourselves in one way or another. I have been trying to do this on my own since May 2009 and I have been unable to go NC on my own. And, as a newly-aware empath, I just wish that we could expand this circle to protect any and all OW and give them the tools to get away. Not just those that will and are suffering at the hands of my psychotic N. ... At this point, I know I cannot handle even knowing that the OW is not more than just a figment of my imagination and cynicism bc of how hurt I am... And I have been purposefully taking steps to ensure that I do not know anything about them -- bc I know this process needs to be about me and I do not trust me right now. I don't know. I certainly don't advocate posting billboards around your city/town or putting yourself in a place where you are doing yourself more harm than any good you could do for the OW (as I believe most of you are right - she is not likely to believe you at the onset, but I do believe that once a seed is planted, she will come back to it sooner and not be as likely to experience the degree of crazy-making). Just a general idealistic thought that it would be nice to break the cycle. These men get away with destroying the lives of REALLY good people. We're not in these relationships because we were dumb, naive, obtuse ... I know I'm generalizing here but - I think most of us were in these relationships because we BELIEVED in someone and in love. When we saw the red flags - we thought we could help, fix it, or whatever. We were willing to make sacrifices of our lives in order to help, etc. Anyhow, thanks to all who responded. Although I'm not looking forward to this journey (and have been actively avoiding it by seeking out crumbs for the past 3 years), I'm grateful that I've found a space to be heard again and have a voice.
Feb 23 - 11AM (Reply to #28)
Snowflake
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Your voice is very welcome here

It helps to read posts from people at similar stage to me as you voice so well whats in my head, keep here where its safe, keep NC..the rest we will reach together x
Feb 23 - 11AM (Reply to #29)
Krooks
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Thanks Snowflake. It helps

Thanks Snowflake. It helps to be heard!!
Feb 23 - 4AM
Qing Yuan
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you are she, she is you

this is your journey and lesson. you chose this man and this experiece so that you could be who you are now.. the healing soul that will never make this mistake again. these poeple, your ex and his new woman are learning there lesson. they are embroilled in the same passion and delight that you once were and this same excitment and magic as you put it, will become the flawed reality that he has come to deny ih his life. so no you cannot help her, regardless of whether she would even listen to you... the picture he has painted of you, to her, i can promise you, she believes and only she can learn her lessons on 'her' own time.. I would suggest that you put the same love and kindness you want to give out to her and give it to yourself. Right now you're the one who needs it.. These predotors are everywhere sizing up there next pray. If these woman who we were once, chose this path it is to complete another cycle or patter.. It is either to commit to the same cycle or to make the final break from it and learn, either way you are not her friend or her compadre on any level. The best you can do is wash your hands of it and let them play it out.. watever the outcome may be.. Good luck. You will get thru this. x q
Feb 23 - 3AM
Snowflake
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Welcome :)

In my opinion OW wouldnt listen, its easy for N to make out we are just bitter..and I know I wouldnt have listened early on as I was infactuated with the N. Also I understand all this OW sticking together, but there are too many women in the world, you cant save them all and N just moves from one to the other.. Whilst spending time being empathatic towards the OW you are using up precious time that could be spent working on yourself. Its sad and I do feel for OW but they have their own life paths to lead...
Feb 22 - 11PM
Marlinmom
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two things

Krooks, first of all, so well put: 1 -- 'Perfect that he stole from your dreams by using the things you held dearest to you.' 2 -- Sorry this phony clod lied to you and did this. you don't deserve that, you seem like a very good person. I don't think any of us are ready to hear something bad about these guys in real time when they are busy treating us like Cleopatra. It's a generous thought for you to have to warn others, but it's potentially dangerous and draining for you and probably mostly just doesn't work and keeps you too invested in his life. I say that as someone who ended up in the police station reporting my ex-N's OW for harassment and stalking after she went nuts when he broke off their affair. The Narcs make people crazy, if they're not already they will say anything, do anything, to get what they want. they don't care who they hurt. they. just. don't. care. so avoid the rage and move on.
Feb 22 - 11PM
freaked
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It's human nature

WE don't have any social contract to help an ow. Yeah, Ive been ow too now and then, who cares!!! why spoil the transient fun in life? Bit of romance, then the spot of heartbreak ...gives us material for gossip..imho. besides, no ow in her right senses is gonna believe us... it's always gonna be Us vs Them ;) so, let's be happy we are done and dusted... and have become tooooo wise for words :( I confess, the anxiety-the heartbreak-the anticipation-the vain hope-the despondency-the inferior feeling ... is long gone now. Every woman should be educated at the rites of passage on the pitfalls of romance. As long as we women crave romance there will be guys who will dunk it on us just to enjoy the experience. Can we really blame a guy if he devalues and discard us???? Would we not be doing precisely that when any guy gets emotionally hung up on us???? We gotta be brutally honest here. Mea Culpa of mercilessly getting rid of guys who refused to take the tongue-in-cheek hints i wud drop at the initial point of my boredom. It IS a statistical fact that the human species get bored with predictability and emotional predictability is a killer. Oscar Wilde: A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, too much of it is absolutely fatal. This then is the key to the conundrum of human relationships. Let's enjoy the ride when it's new...and move on when it gets old or when we get told off.
Feb 22 - 11PM (Reply to #20)
Krooks
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What social contracts do we

What social contracts do we have? Do we have one to be loyal to friends? Loving to our families? Considerate to our neighbors? No - we just are (mainly) considerate beings. .... Your post has thrown me a bit. And maybe that's just because the specifics of my relationship were not just that of a breezy-fling & break up nor of a "normal" break up. I've loved and lost in the past -- it's difficult, but you move on and learn and love again. My relationship w my N was nothing like that - nothing "normal" - the lies, deceit, manipulation, head games, mind fks -- so beyond anything any decent caring human being would be capable of.
Feb 23 - 2AM (Reply to #21)
freaked
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Dear Krooks,

Dear Krooks, my apologies for having you felt thrown by my post. That wasn't my intention. Yes of course, we empaths sure do all the things you have listed, undoubtedly. What i meant to state is that saying which goes "Mind your own business". I have pried thru NH's cell phone, laptop, his jacket pockets, his travel valise.... uh huh... only to FIND what i suspected all along. And I wept, and complained and depressed myself silly...The Forum took in my heartbreak confessionals very very seriously. I HAVE been helped specifically by dear Goldie when she pointed out to me that I was wasting my life by obsessing about the ow when I should be working on developing my Self. Oh Goldie, Hunter, Lisa, Sparrow, Journey and many other senior members here are spot on. I remain in awe of their insight and their ability to specifically help individual at the forum. Nope, I am not a cruel, heartless, uncaring B. Rather, I happen to be among those who score high in Empath Tests. What I am trying to draw attention to is that, if all of us women as well men here on the forum learnt to stop attempting to focus on the ow, we ARE going to have a better deal for ourselves. About 35 weeks ago, I was a diehard obsessor of the OW and would waste hours visualising what kinky sex positions were they trying out (LOL).... now........ THANKS to Lisa, Goldie, Hunter, Sparrow, Journey and many other members who showered me with Light & Love.... I finally sat up and reasoned with my own self. The Forum is never wrong.
Feb 23 - 11AM (Reply to #22)
Krooks
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Sorry if I seemed to imply

Sorry if I seemed to imply you personally were uncaring - I still have my defenses up a bit and did not mean that ... Thank you for responding again. :) I agree - as much as I've wanted to show up at his apt and prove to myself that I'm not crazy and that he is dating someone else, actively seeking out an ex N and his OW is a horrible idea. I was not advocating that in the slightest. Moving on from any break up at all entails letting go and separating yourself from their life now. Not finding the new gf and telling her all of his bad habits or what-have-you. In the place that I'm in now, I don't want to know anything even remotely about her(S). ... And once I am on more solid ground, I wont care nor will I want anything to do with him at all even remotely (I HOPE!). All that aside, if one day I was contacted by his new supply, I wouldn't reject her as I was rejected from his ex supply. I wouldn't walk away. I would hope that by talking to me she would be able to demystify to some extent all of the lies he lives in and tells.
Feb 22 - 9PM
Hunter
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Welcome,These people are

Welcome, These people are master Manipulators . Awareness come after the fact.. Turn on the news.. Every single morning There is story after story about these characters.. No one listens until it hits home.. No one can understand this headfuck till you have lived it.. Awareness is key.. I always wanted to see the leaning tower of Pisa .. I was told by others who experienced it first had that it's crap.. No.. I read all the literature ..the Tower was a beautiful landmark.. Finally .. Years of a dream .. There I was .. In Pisa.. Yep.. Total crap.. But I needed to see for myself.. It's the Nature of the Beast.. Hunter
Feb 22 - 9PM
SundaySmile
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Because...

I do not "help" the other woman because of several reasons. It does not tell me more than I already need to know in order to let go of a disordered relationship. The OW may react very badly esp if she is still into him - any contact with her might result in her attacking me in some way. I do not need to continue to place myself in high risk situations with the xN and his either FORMER ex or NEW OW by association or otherwise. All I needed to know to validate what I knew to be true came from his behavior. Right now - the path has to focus on healing. In reaching out to the OW if she is an EX she already knows. Or perhaps she did not experience the same as I did. Who knows? Who cares? There is no way to tell someone to watch out without it seeming like a bitter, jealous EX. Moreover - I do not know if she and he are unhappy nor do I care. That is THEIR choice to be involved. Presuming she knows about him cheating. Even if she did not - I doubt she would listen. People can become defensive and lash out in denial. I am not in a position to be on the receiving end of that possibility. All I need to know is what he did to me. And how I reacted to his shitty treatment. Focus is on recovering. My counselor and this forum help me. Right now that is as strong as I can be. It is time to move through and forward. I cant take on more than I already am weighted down by in this crappy burden I no longer want. There are a lot of I ' s in this post because this is how I feel. Furthermore - revenge plotting (hear so much about this) - comparing notes - etc., is very destructive and not healthy for me. I cannot be her counselor or the messenger who gets shot. lol That is my own position on it now. No reason to get lost in other people's business when it is so damned close to the one who hurt the hell out of me. This is my opinion for where I am personally right now. To answer your question.
Feb 22 - 10PM (Reply to #16)
Run4it
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Sunday Smile

Love your honesty....I saw it early on and still didn't believe it. No way a woman/man will believe this early on in the hooking process... Unfortunately, it is trial by fire....
Feb 22 - 10PM (Reply to #17)
SundaySmile
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Run

Run I know what you mean. Trial by fire. If one of his exes contacted me or the OW - I am not certain I would have believed it, either. And yes, I had instinctual LOUD ASS clues. But it did not resonate with me because what I experienced and what he was able to get me to believe was bizarre and weird. And yet all this support - speaker - public adoration...they weren't being hurt by him. They were all casuals. Except for three that I later found out - knew. Fire indeed!
Feb 22 - 9PM
janemarie
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Welcome to the forum! And

Welcome to the forum! And congrats on starting your NC as it IS the only way to begin healing!!! It's ok to rant....we all do that at some point....you wanna say it all...at once....all the details.....it's ok :) To answer your question about the OW.... I left in Sept. and found out about her 4 days later...of course I was destroyed...On one hand I was glad because I knew he woulnt be crawling back and manipulating me back like he did the first 3 tines I tried to leave him. Then of course I was so hurt, felt sooo replaced and rejected, it was the worst pain I ever felt in my life. And Lastly, I felt bad for her. His exgf warned me when I began dating him and she planted a seed for me....I wanted to plant the seed for this girl...so I wrote her an email. It was a very heartfelt, warm, classy email...I explained everything I went thru with him...told her to look up Narcissism and told her to be careful...Her response..."Im sorry I dont know who you are!" I knew for a fact she knew exactly who I was!!!!! Did it help?? I dont know! I just found out that they broke up yesterday after only 6 months (I wrote the email 5 months ago) Did I plant the seed like the exgf did for me? Ill never know....I felt better about writing to her...but I also wrote it before joining this forum and knowing anything about going No Contact!!!! Going NC is better than anything else you can do.... Put everyone aside (OW)....the Narc...and think about you now...isnt it time for that???? You deserve to be good to yourself and help yourself...... Forget about everyone....the future is about you now!! Im glad you began your NC....you are on your way!!! xoxo
Feb 22 - 11PM (Reply to #14)
Krooks
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Thank you janemarie. ... I'm

Thank you janemarie. ... I'm hopeful for the first time in a long while. Blocked his number yesterday. Am not looking forward to the process - but ripping off my baindaids soaked in denial and delusion and taking each day by storm - or well, with each storm therein!
Feb 22 - 6PM
dunzo
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I have thought about this before...

I have thought about this a lot because I know who several of his OW are, mainly due to FB. I am NO expert whatsoever, but here are the things that have stopped me from contacting them - 1) Had someone warned me, I never would have believed them and even if I did believe them, I would not have heeded their warning at the time. 2) The whole tringulation thing - the Ns love to triangulate. And they love supply. To me it seems like if I contact another of his women and try to rat him out, that would be the ultimate in supply and triangulation. And completely negate my excrutiating efforts to remain NC, even if contact is broken by proxy. 3) Regarding the NC thing, if another of his women is doing NC, too, but gets sucked backed in and tells him what I have done, I do not even want to think about the consequences that would bring from him - RAGE. 4)Finally, at this point I consider myself a survivor. All I can worry about right now is preserving me. As much as I hurt for his OW, right now all the energy I have is reserved for me and it's a minute to minute thing sometimes. I can't save the OW, but believe me, I do pray for them. Again, I don't know these things are true; just makes common sense to me. And I would love to hear disagreeing opionions, especially because there is one girl in particular who is moving to be be near my ex-N and she has kids, getting out of a bad marriage, etc. I've thought so many times about telling her the truth, but have not for the reasons listed above. And for the record, I am not judging anyone who has contacted the OW. We are all in a mess here and in this mess together, so please do not take my post the wrong way. Love to all.
Feb 22 - 10PM (Reply to #12)
SundaySmile
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Dunzo

Dunzo #3 is an EXCELLENT point. Ugh thank you! Never even thought of that. How scary that would be!
Feb 22 - 6PM (Reply to #9)
Krooks
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I agree - all very valid

I agree - all very valid points. I guess sometimes I dream of a space where it would be possible to help other women avoid this disastrous fate. I wish that when I ran into his ex-victim by coincidence she took the time to talk to me when I asked her to. I know I was trapped - and already very addicted - but different people have different ways out of addiction, right? Maybe some people would listen - I believe I would have at least to some extent... I needed validation that EYE wasn't crazy the crazy one. And that couldn't come from my friends or family. Had I found this website earlier - perhaps I would have found that validation here or at least been on the right path towards it. I think my only validation ended up being the repetition of pain and utter anguish, and eventually his abandoning me for "greener pastures" if you will (tho I only assume that because his sudden desire to spend all of his time with his kids is pretty far fetched for a man that probably can't spell their names). I know I'm way too new in this to give advice one way or another though, as I'm far from even trusting myself to stay NC... Tho I do wish the women that came before me had at least tried.