Withholding sex

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#1 May 29 - 3AM
Scoop
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Withholding sex

http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/abusiverelationships/a/pa_sex.htm

Ahh its our friend the passive aggressive man again , dont you just love him ! .. I swear that if you are not in the angry phase yet this short but to the point artical just may tip the balance ..

Happy Sunday beautiful ladies xx

May 30 - 7AM
Susan32
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Withholding physical affection

Since the ex-Psych prof and I never had sex, he didn't like physical affection. When I hugged him at graduation, he tried to run... but the overwhelming reality of the adobe wall behind him stopped him (yeah, reality didn't fit his expectations) He really didn't know how to respond. Since this was after the final D&D, I remember the horror in his eyes before I hugged him. Glad I didn't pucker up or French kiss him. He liked stiff handshakes (and he had problems letting go), so stiff they were numbing. I NEVER saw him be physically affectionate with his girlfriend. One of my friends theorized that perhaps he PURPOSEFULLY did that to NOT give me closure. His lack of affection towards her further validated his inhumanity in the eyes of my classmates. He had used me to look human, couldn't he have at least put on a SHOW of affection with her? He didn't mind that he had this cold, inhuman reputation. I confronted him on it. I told him my classmates HATED him because of how he treated me... and he was ecstatic. My former Narc boss couldn't stand being touched, yet he had a boyfriend. If he so much got his uniform wet, he'd cuss. He didn't like his clothes getting dirty-yet he worked in a kitchen.
May 29 - 5PM
Goldie
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You got my attention

Yeah, just another way they punish us. Good read. God bless, Goldie
May 29 - 2PM
janine
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Everything falls into place

Thank you for posting this. My N is a most covert type and I used to deal with his PA acting accordingly, two can play this game. It had never affected our sex life. Then, last year, he wanted to involve me in a business project. I refused knowing he would sulk. The usual PA followed and for the first time in 11 years he had little interest in sex. I left him but had him back a few months later. He was pleased as Punch and couldn't do enough for me. It puzzled me that this continued for the 6 months I was there. I'd expected some PA as punishment for having left him. While we had sex it was less than before and routine. He invited me on a holiday I was not keen on. But he let me choose the place and I went along. He clearly did not enjoy it and there was only sex when I initiated it, quite dull. Apart from that, hardly a kiss or cuddle. It couldn't be because of OW, he always had those. I asked him what was wrong. Oh he was feeling bad, trouble at work, burnt out. As though any of that had ever been different with dreary him! I reminded him sex had been the main attraction for me and there was no point in staying together. He was shocked and very angry, had clearly not expected his acting would backfire on him. I really had gone back for the sex (sexless marriage). In a way it made leaving easy. But I had been wondering until now whether my feeling that he was punishing me had been correct or I had overreacted. Many thanks, Scoop, for posting this. It makes a big difference, the guilt has gone.
May 29 - 12PM
Alibi_10
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Scoop

... this pushes my buttons too. Ditto - in the beginning, we could not keep our hands off each other and it was so exciting, heady heady days. But then he started to say that I should have resisted him for longer, that I had 'brought too much to the banquet' (WTF?). I said I was a single, grown woman and what was the problem. When he returned from a holiday I couldn't wait to see him, but he seemed 'unable' to perform. The next day, he said he wanted to go back home to his house - and this set a rather familiar pattern of getting close then running away. He would also turn his back on me afterwards - and would also not look me in the eye. He once said that 'sex is just sex' - I want to be able to make love to a woman, but it is up to you to show me something I can love in you and I don't think you can. How nice. He then began a phase of TOTALLY witholding sex, whilst still flirting and parading around in front of me. For those old enough and in the UK, there used to be a TV programme called Bullseye where failed contestants where shown what they 'would have won', and that is how it felt. Forever banished to the spare room, whilst hearing him witter on about women he fancied. I suppose if I am honest, I remained friends in the hope that it would all work itself out and we would get back to the honeymoon phase, but reading on here as cured me of that. Scoop - that thing about him saying "you stink" is appalling. I winced about that. Awful, awful people. Back to the same question for me - do they REALISE how AWFUL they are?!!
May 29 - 1PM (Reply to #11)
Scoop
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Bullseye :) As for the

Bullseye :) As for the question "do they know how awful they are ?" I am with the YES camp . I think they know they are psychopaths and they live in fear of people finding out , exposure and abandonment are their two worst fears . I go down the route that they are born with the condition and they will die with it .. The science is still not sure but under "cat scans" its be proven their brains function very diffrnetly to normal brains and i cant see how childhood trauma could cause that big diffrence , and if it was childhood trauma there would have been by now reports of cures in some form or another but all the experts say there is no cure , they have even tested know psycopaths through their lives and there has been no change even in old age ... I suppose the question is "do they care they are so awlful " and that would have to be a big fat NO . in order to care they would have to have a conscience and they just dont have one . Big Love xx
May 29 - 4PM (Reply to #13)
heritage
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scoop

When I went over N's house in Oct I packed my things and I told him I was done. He cried took my hand and sat me down and said he would return back to normal and make good on all his promises. The next month he discarded me! He abandoned his daughters so as long as no one leaves them it's ok. They have to be the ones in control to be the abandoner! What is odd to me though is his old gf from 2004 left him after 6 onths. He is now with her again. I was shocked he crawled back to her since she ditched him first time. Maybe it was easy supply for him? I don't know. What do you think? And his rep is everything to him. He would rather be adored by many than truly loved by one!
May 29 - 3PM (Reply to #12)
onwithmylife
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Hey Scoop

i think you are right that their 2 biggest fears are abandonment and exposure. years ago when u was at my narc's house on his coffee table I saw he was taking a test from an article and happen to glance at it and he had checked our extreme fear of abandonment, and once I said to him' you drop me for fear i will drop you' and he smiled knowingly like I had uncovered a secret of his and when i sent a letter before we broke up, he had moved to another state, i ask him why the relationship is always about his wants and needs and desiring a more equal balance, this was way before i knew of personality disorders, , he blew up at me and then throws it all at me, calling me whore, slut,on the internet for free sex, shows you how little he ever knew me! i think the man is a lot sicker, mentally than I ever knew.
May 29 - 1PM (Reply to #7)
Journey
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Wow, Alibi, mine did the same

Wow, Alibi, mine did the same thing. He flirted with me often and teased me just to push me away. And like yours, mine was the worst that way after we'd had a close time together, whether sexually related or not. I started noticing the pattern that after a day or two with him where I felt loved and we seemed to be really happy, that is when he would turn and become the meanest toward me. "It's up to you to show me something I can love in you and I don't think you can" WTF!! That is brutal. Mine didn't say that, but might as well have for how he made me feel at times. I think they do realize how awful they are, but they just don't care. They are just glad that their need to remain in control and have all the power is still intact. THAT is all I think which matters to them.

Journey on...

May 29 - 1PM (Reply to #8)
Scoop
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Journey and Alibi

Group hug girlfriends .. Its been a hard evening reading this and has triggered me .. Big love .. xx
May 29 - 2PM (Reply to #9)
Alibi_10
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Likewise

Same to you ... it is hard, but just now is useful to get all this out, I repressed so much when I was going along with his little games and turned all the anger inwards on myself for being so ****** stupid. And as for Bullseye - who wanted a ropey old speedboat anyway?!! xx
May 29 - 2PM (Reply to #10)
Scoop
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Speed boat lol ..... my narc

Speed boat lol ..... my narc is about as much use as a speed boat in an inner city . xxx
May 29 - 11AM
Journey
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This was the number one way

This was the number one way my exN punished me and controlled our relationship. I was accused of a great many injustices toward him if it upset me that he wasn't "in the mood". According to him I was controlling, manipulative, oversexed, not respecting his space, his person, treating him as an object, too demanding and expected too much - any time I showed disappointment. It even made me self conscious about what clothes I wore around the house with him or to bed so he wouldn't think I wanted sex or was trying to seduce him. And of course, I saw no signs of this during the 'honeymoon' phase when he couldn't get enough and desired me constantly. It was so hurtful and damaging to my self esteem, keeping me in a state of seeking approval and validation from him throughout the rest of our relationship. Thanks for sharing this Scoop.

Journey on...

May 29 - 12PM (Reply to #3)
Scoop
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EWW Journey how can you live

EWW Journey how can you live with youre self for "not being respectfull of his person " .. i mean seriously thse freaks are fruit cakes ... Mine use to say "thats personal " all the time , i on the other hand had sucked his Kn*b and seem his skid marks . now THATS PERSONAL (sorry) . Duing the honeymoom period we where probably naked and in bed the best part of 4 months , i think i had more sex in that time than i had in my whole life , he would tell me how sexy i was and how wonderful i was etc etc every hour some times every sentance then at the first D&D (as there was 6 d&d in total ) the nut job use to trun his back on he in bed . I would reach my hand out to touch his and he would pick my hand up and flick it away . He would tell me "you stink" ... he was a psychopath . The way i handled it was made sure i turned heads when ever i could and got the positive reinforcment from other men .. This is how i knew something wasnt right as here i was turning heads but my narc was with holding sex from me ... one night i turned my back on him and he started to cry like a big baby lol , in the morning i said "you do that to me all the time , now you know what it feels like " and he said "well you have kind of lost the moral high ground now " .. WTF .. really WTF ? Hmm this subject pushes my buttons ... good to get it out though .. thanks for listerning .. Scoop x
May 29 - 11PM (Reply to #5)
ifinallygotit
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yes scoop

I remember now unconsciously "giving back" (turning away from him) in bed on purpose to make him pursue me - it always worked. So the game continued even in the intimicacy. We had a great sex life but not often enough. I trusted that I was his only GF but now that I have been on this site, maybe we only had sex once a week because he was getting it elsewhere? He was sexy and affectionate always so why would a healthy male only want it every 7-10 days? does not make sense - he always withdrew emotionally after a wonderful night together - the whole 10 years. I just figured he was afraid of real love... Now I know he was just doing his N thing...
May 29 - 12PM (Reply to #4)
Journey
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Oh, I can relate to

Oh, I can relate to everything you just said. Mine did exactly the same thing. In the beginning he loved how sexual I am and then used that against me. My exN's favorite thing to say when I reach out to touch him was "get your paws off me" - sometimes jokingly, other times not so much - either way it was very hurtful and eventually I stopped initiating completely. Shortly after breaking up with me (he left town but all his stuff was still at my house, we were still 'friends' and I knew nothing of his new supply which may or may not have been 'activated' yet but who he had been 'wooing' to be since before the breakup). Anyway, I was still sleeping in HIS bed at my house and he came into town and I let him sleep over. When we went to bed I made sure to tell him "don't worry, I don't want to have sex with you" so as not to get the rejection I was so accustomed to and he actually said "well, what if I want to have sex with you?" The fu*kin prick! Of course we had sex because I was still in love, completely confused and had no idea he was a narc. He must have been so happy with himself to feel such power over me still. This subject pushes my buttons too, but it is so good to read articles like this which help clarify it was not about us after all.

Journey on...

May 29 - 3AM
Scoop
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*note . the six ways of

*note . the six ways of handleing the "passive aggressive man " at the bottom of the artical dont apply to us ... We go NO CONTACT on his sorry arse !