Why lying to you makes narcissists feel smart

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#1 Aug 20 - 1AM
Arwen
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Why lying to you makes narcissists feel smart

This was found from an amazing blog by Kathy, victim of NPD. It really, really helped me. Enjoy:

People make light of things in order to minimize how bad they are. I think I know why narcissists and other pathological liars think lying is funny and means that they are smart and you are stupid.

On my first trip to Europe, first trip to Rome, we hadn't been in Italy five minutes before the first time we got ripped off. When thousands of lira are less than a dollar, a fresh American can easily not notice a couple extra zeroes.

I got so sick of being viewed as prey, that I was in no mood to buy anything from any Italian that day we were resting in St. Peter's Square and a guy approached us with some 35 mm slides of the Vatican to sell us.

And I should have been interested in those photos, because our camera was on the blink.

I didn't mean to be a jerk: I just felt it would be rude to tell him to get lost, so I let him make his pitch. (Now I know that hawkers and telemarketers hate it when you waste their time like that and that they would rather you hang up or tell them to buzz off.) I just kept shaking my head and saying no I didn't want them. My sister saw me as the perfect bargaining tool, so she let this go on. (She may have even encouraged him for all I know.)

Maybe he and his fellow crooks had been surveying the herd for easy-looking prey (= stupid young American babes in polyester) and he had bet them that he would take us for a lot. Or maybe it was just that, having targeted us and having given us his whole spiel, he was too personally invested in the effort. Whatever, his ego wouldn't let him take no for an answer.

He pestered me to the point that I got up and started walking away. He followed! He just HAD to make the sale. My sister later told me that she kept listening for his price to get low enough as he was rushing after me, bidding lower and lower and lower with me adamantly not interested in buying what he was selling.

"We'll take it!" she suddenly blurted.

You should have seen the look on that poor man's face. He had apparently gotten so carried away he went below cost. He told us he shouldn't be selling the package to us for that price. "That's the price you quoted," I snapped.

As if he needed justification - this I can hardly believe - he said, well, he wouldn't feel so bad if at least these photos of the Vatican were going to a Catholic. So, he asked me if I was one, and I was (then), so I told him so.

He acted like he didn't believe me.

You can imagine how that struck me. Why did he ask such a stupid question that gave a non-Catholic reason to lie and put a Catholic in the position of sounding like a liar if she tells the truth?

Here was this crook, setting me up with that question and then acting like he didn't believe me.

Something - some switch inside me just clicked. I told the biggest whopper I could think of fast enough. "I sure am a Catholic I think," I said snorting. "Uh my brother's a priest and my uncle's a bishop."

That was before I learned how dishonest other people are - back when I NEVER lied, no matter what. So my sister's jaw dropped as she gaped at me, totally stunned to hear me say that.

Guess what? Now he believed me!

Lying to him was a blast. I thought it was hilarious. I thought he was stupid for believing my lie = I thought I was much smarter than him.

Which is what pathological liars think when they lie to you. But they conveniently unknow that they are no stranger that you shouldn't trust. That hawker had no reason to believe me because I was a stranger. But if I had been his friend, I would have been betraying a trust in lying to him. So, when people we have close or intimate relationship with lie to us, that is a far different matter.

We have every good reason to trust them, and they are betraying that (sacred) trust. We have every good reason to assume that they truly have the friendly relationship with us that they pretend to have. Unless we have reason to doubt them, it would be wrong for us to doubt everything our wife, husband, child, friend, or co-worker says. When we are fooled by a narcissist's lies, that's because we're innocent and honest, not because we're stupid. And it's because the lying narcissist is a creep.

Aug 23 - 8PM
Susan32
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Why do Narcs blow up when we lie to THEM?

The ex-Psych prof had NO problems with his smear campaign claiming I was making unwanted sexual advances on him, lying about having a girlfriend, lying about writing a book on Augustine&Wittgenstein (one of his colleagues will be giving a lecture on Augustine-praise the Lord&pass the ammo!) Yet when *I* lied, it was a BIG DEAL. He was all sobby (like my 2 year old nephew when my sis won't let him watch the Wiggles) when a classmate&I carried on a charade of pretending to be cousins for several months. It strikes me as entitlement. I had a 400 pound, morbidly obese Narc coworker who lied about his credentials. He claimed to be a chef. Routinely lied about his family. He lied to keep from paying child support--he bawled when he was CAUGHT! He was sad about being caught, NOT about his failure to provide for his kids. He lied about child support... yet when I put a grape juice label on prune juice (he insisted that his coworkers make grape juice for him), he was LIVID and lectured me about my supposed evilness. All he got was an eye roll from me. In high school, a girl stole from my locker, verbally abused me, humiliated me in public-and the frosting on the cake? She LIED about it, claiming I had caused her behavior. However, when I spread a little harmless rumor about her making out with the paunchy, nearly toothless janitor, *I* was the one called to the vice principal's office (she didn't show any accountability for her actions&showed ZERO remorse for her lies) Yet *I*,her victim, was supposed to be remorseful for fighting back&standing up for myself. It struck me as a deep insult that she felt entitled to ANY remorse from me. Instead, I smiled, told her gladly I was teaching her a lesson, spoke to her the same way I did the preschoolers, and didn't apologize. Yes, I had lied about her. But I acted like a saint. I was the one treating HER with an incredible sense of entitlement. She steered clear of me after that. Totally avoided me. Not that I minded.
Aug 21 - 5PM
fooled no longer
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very familiar. I live among

very familiar. I live among italians and I get Narced a thousand times a day! apart from the fact I married one, they are all narcy. They never take no for an answer and the men are all masoginists, paedofiles or criminals or all three. Serously its pissing me off trying to deal with most of them. they would sell their own mothers teeth they are excellent con artists. they dont even have a term for con artists because its a given, that they are and they are proud of it.
Aug 21 - 9AM
onwithmylife
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arwen

a great story, everything that Kathy wrote from her blog makes so much sense. The narcs remind me of a balloon you blow up with air or helium and then when you let the air out, all gone, deflated, nothing was really there.they are all show and nothing inside,so whatever they can do to pump themselves up they will do, what a horrible,pathetic way to present yourself in life and to others................
Aug 21 - 10AM (Reply to #5)
Arwen
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OWML it really is pathetic.

OWML it really is pathetic. I just hate being around it. I was so bored.
Aug 20 - 2AM
lillymarch
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Creep is right!

So many lies! And lies that are not even necessary. One I remember is: telling me that his friend is being a flake, should have dropped something off that he needs, on and on. Then later, calling that friend to ASK if he can borrow the thing and can pick it up. WHAT?! Maybe he needed something to talk about? Maybe he needed to hide a text or a phone call? Then why be around me when you make the call to ask to borrow something that you just told me 20 mins earlier that he was already dropping off? And that was just a little lie. Not the many that destroyed so much: the trust of his children and wife. Thank you for this post!
Aug 21 - 2AM (Reply to #3)
Arwen
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Lily I'm so glad you had the

Lily I'm so glad you had the time to read it. It really caught my eye when I found it online lastnight. I also experienced the stupidest of lies from N. And he got himself into very very serious trouble with his lies as well.
Aug 20 - 3AM (Reply to #2)
onthewayout
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At least we get it. At least we know what is going on.

We know the game. I have been in a 3 yr live in relationship. It is to the point that he tells me lies to cover up the lies he told about the ORIGINAL lie. I just ask him a zillion questions about everything and let him flounder a bit. Prob not the smartest thing but it makes me feel better to mind fuck him back. We know. Knowledge is power. The best defense is a good offense.