what do they think? how do they feel? Did he love me?

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#1 Apr 12 - 9AM
gettinbetter
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what do they think? how do they feel? Did he love me?

You really don't have to dig too much for the anwers they are actually right in front of you. Just examine your self and write down how you feel and I promise all of the horrible things you start to feel about yourself is actually how they feel about themselves. Its like they are personality snatchers. The come into our lives and project all of the vile feelings they have about themselves and then extract every positive thing about you and how you feel about yourself and take it for themselves.

I truly believe this is why this is why we begin to exhibit some of their crazy behavior and they begin to take on the traits That we value most in ourselves even mimicing our behavior and interests.

So if you want to know what he truly thinks and feels about himself just look inthe mirror at yourself and you will know. They hollow us out harvesting the best parts of us and then they introjects the worst of their feelings into us.

Another little trick I learned is to reverse the pronouns intheir sentences. Replace I with and you with I. If you remember everything is opposite and inverted in narcville. It has to do with the mirroring. They love what they and hate what they love

So when you start to really feel down on yourself about being inadequate or less than stop and think to yourself are these really my feelings or are they his? I have suffered with enmeshment issues with the narc not knowing what were actually my feelings and what were his that were projected on to me

Apr 12 - 11AM
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I agree

Contempt. If you take your love back, you will realize all that is left, is he condemning you, and you wonder what the hell. But this was there all the time, from the beginning. You were the one who kept it alive, all the love and devotion and passion. It was only yours. This is sad, but also empowering at the same time. Own it, claim it back. Vampires need others. You dont.
Apr 12 - 10AM
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Yes

They love to be hated, and hate to be loved. They are absolutely crazy, disturbed individuals. They have reverse reasoning, I remember mine telling me once, "treat your whore like your wife, and your wife like your whore", Such a nice pure person eh? He also told me if you are going to have an affair, DONT LOSE WEIGHT, WEAR GRANNY UNDERWEAR, and MAKE SURE YOU KEEP FUCKING YOUR HUSBAND SO NOBODY SUSPECTS. This is how his mind thinks, they are masters at deception as we all know this is how they can screw a woman at a hotel then hours later come home and propose marriage to someone they are living with, the technique distracts them, they shift your focus all the time. Mine did this to me ALL THE TIME, after a couple years I knew when he was doing this. I would say DONT CHANGE THE SUBJECT and try to throw me off in another direction, of course guess what he did then? He would say I am NOT going to get into a debate with you, I have to go now. The ONLY time I could get along with mine is if I said, yes honey, ok honey, whatever you say honey, its oke honey you didnt call me for a week I know your busy, but I will just be here waiting for you as you cheat, go on vacations, and put me on a shelf until you feel like masturbating to my voice honey. After all you are my GOD, I will lay down and DIE for you, I have no feelings, you can use me, abuse me lie to me, betray me over and over and thats ok honey because I am just waiting for you to call upon me and I will run like a little panting puppy. They will keep you if you obey them, only problem with that is they are LAUGHING behind your back, then they push you further and further and further to see just how far you would go for them. That is the extent of how they feel and the love they have for others. YOU ARE THEIR SLAVE and they will make you PAY if they have to put their mask on again and charm you back into their life, THEY HATE wearing that mask, its alot of damn work so you better behave yourself and do as they want you to do.
Apr 12 - 10AM
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THIS IS HOW THEY FEEL SICK OF IT

So far I’ve asked you to imagine a person who lacks empathy for others and the capacity to feel any emotion deeply. I’ve asked you to imagine a person who is plagued by restlessness and boredom and finds sole satisfaction in duping, manipulating and controlling others. A person who may simulate respect or politeness, but who fundamentally regards others with contempt, as objects to be used for his temporary diversion or satisfaction. A person who suffers from an incurable and absolute egocentrism. But even this doesn’t even begin to give you a full picture of the extent of a psychopath’s emotional poverty. It may describe what a psychopath can’t feel, but to understand how and why the psychopath is driven to harm others, you need to also get a sense of what a psychopath does feel. Psychopaths can’t tolerate loneliness. Just as all human beings can’t survive physically without food and water, psychopaths can’t survive emotionally without victims. Of course, psychopaths regard love with contempt. They view loving and loyal couples as an ugly, undifferentiated blob. Because they can’t experience or even understand love and loyalty, they see moral individuals as weak. They have nothing but disdain for the emotions that normal human beings feel. But at the same time, psychopaths can’t live without feeding upon the real and deeper emotions of people who care about them, of individuals who can love: in other words of the people they use, abuse, toy with, lie to and hurt. Psychopaths are often sexual predators. But even more often, and certainly more fundamentally, they’re emotional predators. What they want from their victims is far more than possessing their bodies or sex. They need to feed their insatiable appetite for harm, as well as sustain their sense of superiority, by possessing and destroying others inside and out, body and soul. A psychopath’s emotional framework is like a vacuum that needs to suck out the emotional energy from healthy individuals in order to survive. This is why I have called psychopaths real-life vampires, that we need to understand and worry about far more than their fictional counterparts. A psychopath lacks much more than empathy for others in his emotional repertoire. He also lacks the capacity to experience any kind of emotion that requires deeper insight and psychological awareness. He experiences only proto-emotions, which are as short-lived as they’re intense. That doesn’t make them any less dangerous, however. The evidence points to the fact that Scott Peterson and Neil Entwistle preplanned their murders weeks in advance. But Mark Hacking seems to have acted more or less on impulse, after having fought with his wife. If we believe his confession to his brothers, Mark was in the process of packing up his things, ran across a revolver and shot Lori while she was asleep. When angry or frustrated, a psychopath is capable of anything, even if his anger will dissipate a few minutes later. As Hervey Cleckley observes, “In addition to his incapacity for object love, the psychopath always shows general poverty of affect. Although it is true that be sometimes becomes excited and shouts as if in rage or seems to exult in enthusiasm and again weeps in what appear to be bitter tears or speaks eloquent and mournful words about his misfortunes or his follies, the conviction dawns on those who observe him carefully that here we deal with a readiness of expression rather than a strength of feeling.” (The Mask of Sanity, 349) The proto-emotions experienced by a psychopath tie in, once again, to the satisfaction or frustration of his immediate desires: “Vexation, spite, quick and labile flashes of quasi-affection, peevish resentment, shallow moods of self-pity, puerile attitudes of vanity, and absurd and showy poses of indignation are all within his emotional scale and are freely sounded as the circumstances of life play upon him. But mature, wholehearted anger, true or consistent indignation, honest, solid grief, sustaining pride, deep joy, and genuine despair are reactions not likely to be found within this scale.” (The Mask of Sanity, 349) For this reason, psychopaths don’t feel distress even when they land in jail. Even there they take pleasure in manipulating their fellow inmates and the prison staff. Even from there they write letters to people outside to use them for money, amusement and possibly even sex. Nothing ruffles a psychopath’s feathers for long. The same emotional shallowness that leads him to be unresponsive to the needs of others and to experience no remorse when he hurts them also enables him to feel little or no distress when he, himself gets hurt. So far, I’ve covered the emotions psychopaths can’t feel. I’ve also had the opportunity to witness up-close and personal the emotions a psychopath can feel, however. That’s what I’ll describe next. The Psychopath’s Emotions: What Does He Feel? 1) Glee. A psychopath feels elation or glee whenever he gets his way or pulls a fast one on somebody. I can still recall O.J. Simpson’s reaction to getting away with murder (at least in my own opinion and that of a lot of other people who watched the trial, if not in the eyes of the jury): his celebratory glee at pulling a fast one on the American public, on the system of justice and especially on the victims and their families. 2) Anger. Robert Hare notes in Without Conscience that since psychopaths have low impulse control, they’re much more easily angered than normal people. A psychopath’s displays of anger tend to be cold, sudden, short-lived and arbitrary. Generally you can’t predict what exactly will trigger his anger since this emotion, like his charm, is used to control those around him. It’s not necessarily motivated by something you’ve done or by his circumstances. A psychopath may blow up over something minor, but remain completely cool and collected about a more serious matter. Displays of anger represent yet another way for a psychopath to demonstrate that he’s in charge. When psychopaths scream, insult, hit, or even wound and kill other individuals, they’re aware of their behavior even if they act opportunistically, in the heat of the moment. They know that they’re harming others and, what’s more, they enjoy it. 3) Frustration. This emotion is tied to their displays of anger but isn’t necessarily channeled against a particular person, but against an obstacle or situation. A psychopath may feel frustrated, for example, when his girlfriend doesn’t want to leave her current partner for him. Yet he may be too infatuated with her at the moment to channel his negative emotions against her. He may also believe that his anger would alienate her before he’s gotten a chance to hook her emotionally. In such circumstances, he may become frustrated with the situation itself: with the obstacles that her partner or her family or society in general pose between them. Psychopaths generally experience frustration when they face impersonal barriers between themselves and their current goals or targets. But that’s also what often engages them even more obstinately in a given pursuit. After all, for them, overcoming minor challenges in life is part of the fun. 4) Consternation. As we’ve seen so far, psychopaths don’t create love bonds with others. They establish dominance bonds instead. When those controlled by a psychopath disapprove of his actions or sever the relationship, sometimes he’ll experience anger. But his immediate reaction is more likely to be surprise or consternation. Psychopaths can’t believe that their bad actions, which they always consider justifiable and appropriate, could ever cause another human being who was previously under their spell to disapprove of their behavior and reject them. Even if they cheat, lie, use, manipulate or isolate others, they don’t feel like they deserve any repercussions as a result of that behavior. In addition, psychopaths rationalize their bad actions as being in the best interest of their victims. For instance, if a psychopath isolates his partner from her family and persuades her to quit her job and then, once she’s all alone with him, abandons her to pursue other women, he feels fully justified in his conduct. In his mind, she deserved to be left since she didn’t satisfy all of his needs or was somehow inadequate as a mate. In fact, given his sense of entitlement, the psychopath might even feel like he did her a favor to remove her from her family and friends and to leave her alone in the middle of nowhere, like a wreck displaced by a tornado. Thanks to him, she can start her life anew and become more independent. To put it bluntly, a psychopath will kick you in the teeth and expect you to say “Thank you.” Being shameless and self-absorbed, he assumes that all those close to him will buy his false image of goodness and excuse his despicable actions just as he does. In fact, he expects that even the women he’s used and discarded continue to idealize him as a perfect partner and eagerly await his return. That way he can continue to use them for sex, money, control, his image or any other services if, when and for however long he chooses to return into their lives. When those women don’t feel particularly grateful—when, in fact, they feel only contempt for him–the psychopath will be initially stunned that they have such a low opinion of him. He will also feel betrayed by these women, or by family members and friends who disapprove of his reprehensible behavior. Although he, himself, feels no love and loyalty to anyone, a psychopath expects unconditional love and loyalty from all those over whom he’s established a dominance bond. This mindset also explains psychopaths’ behavior in court. Both Scott Peterson and Neil Entwistle seemed outraged that the jury found them guilty of murder. Psychopaths believe that those whom they have hurt, and society in general, should not hold them accountable for their misdeeds. After all, in their own minds, they’re superior to other human beings and therefore above the law. How dare anybody hold them accountable and punish them for their crimes! 5) Boredom. This is probably the only feeling that gives psychopaths a nagging sense of discomfort. They try to alleviate it, as we’ve seen, by pursuing cheap thrills, harming others and engaging in transgressive behavior. Nothing, however, can relieve for long the psychopath’s fundamental ennui. He gets quickly used to, and thus also bored with, each new person and activity. 6) Histrionic flashes. I’m not sure if this is an emotion, but I know for sure that the psychopath’s dramatic displays of love, remorse and empathy lack any meaning and depth. If you watch the murder trials on the news or on Court TV, you’ll notice that some psychopaths convicted of murder often put on shows of grief, sadness or remorse in front of the jury. The next moment, however, they’re joking around and laughing with their attorneys or instructing them in a calm and deliberate manner about what to do and say on their behalf. The displays of emotion psychopaths commonly engage in are, of course, fake. They’re tools of manipulation–to provoke sympathy or gain trust–as well as yet another way of “winning” by fooling those around them. I’ve already mentioned that Neil Entwistle engaged in such histrionic behavior. If you’ve followed crime features on the news, you may have noticed that Casey Anthony, the young woman accused of killing her toddler, behaves similarly. She was observed going out to dance and party at clubs with friends the day after her daughter, Caylee, disappeared. Casey’s lack of concern for her missing child doesn’t necessarily prove that she murdered her. But it reveals highly suspicious and callous behavior. It also casts doubt upon the brief and dramatic displays of grief or concern that she sometimes puts on in front of the media and for her parents. 7) Infatuation. When they identify someone as a good potential target, psychopaths can become obsessed with that particular person. In Without Conscience, Hare compares the psychopath’s focused attention upon his chosen target to a powerful beam of light that illuminates only one spot at a time. He also likens it to a predator stalking its prey. Because psychopaths tend to ignore other responsibilities (such as their jobs and their families) and have no conscience whatsoever, they can focus on pursuing a given target more intensely than multi-dimensional, loving men could. This is especially the case if their target presents an exciting challenge, such as if she’s rich or famous, or if she’s married to another man, which triggers their competitive drive. This single-minded infatuation, however, like all of their proto-emotions, is superficial and short-lived. Because for psychopaths such obsessions don’t lead to any genuine friendship, caring or love, they dissipate as soon as they get whatever they wanted from that person, which may be only the conquest itself. 8) Self-love (sort of). Since psychopaths only care about themselves, one would think that self-love would be the one emotion they could experience more deeply. In a sense that’s true, since their whole lives revolve around the single-minded pursuit of selfish goals. But this is also what makes psychopaths’ self-love as shallow as the rest of their emotions. Just as they’re incapable of considering anyone else’s long-term interest, they’re incapable of considering their own. By pursuing fleeting pleasures and momentary whims, psychopaths sabotage their own lives as well. Rarely do they end up happy or successful. They spend their whole lives hurting and betraying those who loved and trusted them, using and discarding their partners, disappointing the expectations of their families, friends, bosses and colleagues and moving from one meaningless diversion to another. At the end of the road, most of them end up empty-handed and alone. 9) CONTEMPT. I’ve capitalized this word because this is the emotion that dominates a psychopath’s whole identity and way of looking at other human beings. No matter how charming, other-regarding and friendly they may appear to be on the outside, all psychopaths are misanthropes on the inside. A psychopath’s core emotion is contempt for the individuals he fools, uses and abuses and for humanity in general. You can identify the psychopath’s underlying contempt much more easily once he no longer needs you or once his mask of sanity shatters. As we’ve seen, psychopaths hold themselves in high regard and others in low regard. To describe the hierarchies they construct, I’ll use an analogy from my literary studies. I was trained in Comparative Literature during they heyday of Jacques Derrida’s deconstruction as it was being applied to pretty much everything: cultural studies, gender hierarchies, race relations, post-colonialism and the kitchen sink. Although looking at life in general in terms of “indeterminate” binary hierarchies hasn’t proved particularly useful, this polarized worldview describes rather well the mindset of psychopaths. For such disordered, narcissistic and unprincipled individuals, the world is divided into superiors (themselves) and inferiors (all others); predators (themselves) and prey (their targets); dupers (themselves) and duped (the suckers). Of course, only giving psychopaths a lobotomy would turn these binary hierarchies upside down in their minds. This is where the applicability of Derrida’s deconstructive model stops. Although psychopaths consider themselves superior to others, they distinguish among levels of inferiority in the people they use, manipulate and dupe. The biggest dupes in their eyes are those individuals who believe whole-heartedly that the psychopaths are the kind, honest, other-regarding individuals they appear to be. As the saying goes, if you buy that, I have some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you. Such individuals don’t present much of a challenge for psychopaths. They’re usually quickly used up and discarded by them. The second tier of dupes consists of individuals who are lucid only when it comes to the psychopath’s mistreatment of others, not themselves. Wives and girlfriends who are clever enough to see how the psychopath cheats on, lies to, uses and manipulates other people in his life, but vain or blind enough to believe that they’re the only exception to this rule form the bulk of this group. This brings to mind an episode of a popular court show I watched recently. A woman testified on behalf of the integrity and honesty of her boyfriend. As it turns out, he had cheated on his wife with her (and other women as well). But his girlfriend nonetheless staunchly defended his character. She maintained that even though she knew that her lover was a cheater and a liar, because she herself was such a great catch and because they had such a special and unique relationship, he was completely faithful and honest to her. The judge laughed out loud and added, “…that you know of!” Women who are cynical enough to see the psychopath’s mistreatment of others yet gullible enough not to see that’s exactly what he’s doing to them constitute his preferred targets. Such women are not so naive as to present no challenge whatsoever for the psychopath. But they’re definitely blind enough to fall for his manipulation and lies. A psychopath will wrap several such women around his little finger. Those who finally see the psychopath’s mistreatment as a sign of his malicious and corrupt nature occupy the third rung of the hierarchy. They’re usually women who have been burned so badly by the psychopath that they don’t wish to put their hands into the fire again.https://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com
Apr 12 - 10AM (Reply to #7)
gettinbetter
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Oh yes I have read this

Oh yes I have read this before. I think they all feel these things but because its on a continun its to different depths and degrees. I know for a fact that mine would feel utter frustration when he would say I love you and I would say no you don't. It frustrated him to no end because in his warped mind thee rush he was feeling from having me back as new supply is what he knows as "love" though nothing could be further from the truth. I for one believe that with every new supply they hand their hopes on the idea that this is "the one" that's finally gonna understand their language
Apr 12 - 9AM
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Sorry for all the typos and

Sorry for all the typos and missing words I'm typing on my phone with my fake nails lol but you get the idea
Apr 12 - 9AM
Happy1
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This is so good sick of it!

This is so good sick of it! Thank you for this.
Apr 12 - 9AM
Deidre40
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This is really good, sick of

This is really good, sick of it. Another thing too...at least for me. I think many of us are 'damaged' emotionally from our childhoods, or some prior traumatic event...BEFORE getting involved with narcs. I think that such trauma serves as a precursor for getting involved with narcs/psychopaths. You're already vulnerable. They tap into that. So, to me...the pain of what the narcs have said to me in my life, really have more to do with what was told to me as a kid...I tend to gravitate towards the painful familiar. But, no more. I will fight tooth and nail to overcome this. So, I don't get hooked into another narc-relationship.
Apr 12 - 9AM (Reply to #3)
gettinbetter
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Yes Deirdre you are gettin it

Yes Deirdre you are gettin it girl have you been reading shari schreibers stuff at gettinbetter.com? You deidre we ask these people to give us something they are not capable of. They are NOT CAPABLE of it because they have no comprehension of what we call love. Its like asking a blind man why he can't read that sign across the room. He's like what sign? What are you talking about. He doesn't even really have a concept of what a sign is or looks like he's never seen one. So he can't understand why we keep expecting something that he's not capable of. Its very frustrating to them that's one of the reasons why they are such angry people they live in constant frustration. What happens when you are contiually frustrated? Ill tell you. If you are like me and most people you begin to rage. That is what they do they rage at the frustration that we are unhappy with their actions
Apr 12 - 9AM
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Oh and to answer the question

Oh and to answer the question did he love me? The answer to that is yes. He loved you in the way that he knows love. He knows love as that rush he gets when he finds new supply. Its not the same as what we feel but he does not know or even understand that because he has never felt what we feel is love. Also because they have no true sel they are not grounded. Because they are not grounded they are very fluid people ever changing each day depending on their environment. They hav nos sustainability because they are not anchored by their true self. So the answer is yes they may have loved you the way they know and perceive love at that moment in time but they wake up in an ever changing new world everyday ungrounded There entire life is adhd. That's why they get bored with jobs and people they need constant stimulation. They are like little kids in a candy store. They want everything and they want it now