WE are the drug - THEY are the addict!!!

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#1 Feb 1 - 2PM
Journey
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WE are the drug - THEY are the addict!!!

Okay, I basically stole this idea from ShaynasMommy on another thread, but I had to expand upon it because I think it is a GREAT ANALOGY in understanding a narc's disorder and why they are NEVER really as happy as they seem to be.

I much prefer to think of the NARC as the addict and not all of us who became addicted to them because that has always bugged me a little.

There is nothing that makes people truly 'happy' while living with an addiction - not even the high, because it is so short lived. There will always come a time when it is not enough anymore to cover the underlying pain, shame and discomfort that the very addiction causes.

We always say narcs are incapable of caring, but now I wonder if it is really only because they keep that part of them completely numbed by supply in order to avoid the reality of how painful withdrawal would be for them were they to face their inner demons - whatever the initial cause was. This is assuming they have real emotions buried deep beneath their disorder.

That would explain well to me why my exN almost always did his most noticeable narc abuse right after a particularly nice, close and loving (at least I thought it was) time together. I used to instinctively sense that it was BECAUSE he cared about me that he pulled away. Feeling any emotion at all seems unbearable to them.

Anyway, this translates quite well into the narc always searching for new supply.

With every supply, eventually the effect that particular grade has on the addict can't be felt anymore the same way and they have no choice but to replace it. The new grade doesn't have to be better or stronger to affect them the way they need it to because as long as its different they will feel the initial high.

So this is when their mask is on - they are just stoned out of their heads - lol!

When they crash, which they ALWAYS will, the mask falls off and they bring us down with them. Then like every addict they go through a period of loathing for themselves and the drug which explains the devaluing phase. Eventually they have to discard it for a new high because they can't live with themselves straight.

The only way for old supply to get them high again is if they leave it for awhile and come back to it later.

That explains so clearly why they turn up again months or years down the road. Our grade will get them high enough again for awhile at least, but it also explains why the second time usually doesn't last as long and often ends more badly.

Some might be willing to try to stay with old supply well after the initial high wears off for various reasons, but life with these addicts is never stable, likely filled with a ton of abuse and eventually we have to leave them to save ourselves and that is when they plead for a fix from us and when refused they almost always turn to desperation and lash out in retaliation because we won't give them what they need anymore.

They need serious extended rehab or major life destruction to ever even consider trying to give it up since it doesn't harm them physically the way a real drug does and if they are good looking and charming enough there is plenty out there for them.

The ones who have the most trouble securing new supply need to return to us most often and that explains to me why mine hasn't. For now, he has no trouble at all maintaining a well stocked stash and usually has at least a few varieties to choose from.

Oh, and online dating sites are their perfect and legal dealer - lol!!

OMG! I like this analogy.

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Feb 1 - 6PM
narcissizednomore
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he admitted he was addicted...

to me. So this is bang on correct that they see supply as a drug. Thanks for your post! It's true also that N/C makes them crave old supply even more. That's why they step up the attempts at contact during this phase. I say starve 'em and make them nuts!! The minute you feed the addiction, you've satisfied his craving for a bit and given him the chance to back off and then, you end up wondering why he isn't calling anymore. They think that we are just like them. Except we're not. At least, we're not once we realize there is nothing of any substance or pleasure to crave in an N.

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Feb 1 - 6PM
neverlookback
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Too bad they dont get pulled over

So this is when their mask is on - they are just stoned out of their heads - lo Can you see a police officer pulling them over saying, hey whats up with you, you look really high, take off that mask, ha ha ha They get the High and fix when they get the drug - US, strange though how WE get addicted to them during the process, I think though more than anything what we crave is what they once were that is what made us feel high. Dont forgot also most of them are sex addicts too, along with power, control and of course attention addicts. My counselor always told me an addiction is one of the most horrible things to have, it can take your whole life over, you can lose all perspective of right and wrong just to get that fix and high whatever it may be you dont CARE as long as you get that fix. They dont care, all they care about is getting what makes them feel good and some KILL for it, thus you have your serial killer. THey kill because it gives them something they need so I guess the psychopaths that dont kill do the same thing - they need the good in humanity to give them what makes them feel good, so they take it from us, they feed from us. But what they never learn is you can never get that from another human being you must first have it within yourself before you can give anything to others and thats why we never get anything in the end. Ok I am totally lost now, this gets pretty deep sometimes.
Feb 1 - 3PM
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Wow... thank you for this.

Wow... thank you for this. Your analogy makes so much sense. In the beginning I was skeptical of my N bc he did seem addicted to me/us. I remember he was at his daughter's birthday party and he kept sneaking out to message me. This was just 3 weeks after we met! I knew he was checking my FB page every 5 minutes to see what I was up to- he even told me he'd get jealous when my number of friends went up! He was very concerned if they were male friends, how I knew them, etc. I believe now, that he hadn't had supply in a very long time, so I was like crack to him LOL! When broke up about 6 weeks ago (or I assumed we broke up bc they never really "break up" with us) he went MIA. I just KNEW there was no way he could break his addiction to me so easily. I assumed he was out at bars with friends... or home drinking alone. Nope... ENTER MATCH.COM!!!!! I was replaced by a website... ha! At least now I can laugh about it. So, he transferred his addiction to online dating (and booze, too). It's quite sad... I think he is depressed and hopeless. Anyway, thank you for your post... I am going to come back to read this one once in a while to remind myself of our "role" in their addiction. Peace~ FUMB PS-- after our "break up" I contacted him bc he owed me some money and the hell I wasn't going to get it after the way he talked to me!!! I said to him... "Wow... you really hate me." He tells me "If I have to hate you to get over this, then that's what I'm going to do!" Whatever...
Feb 1 - 3PM (Reply to #8)
Journey
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Holy FUMB Batman!

You are most welcome FUMB and yes, what he said about hating you to get over it - that is pretty much what an addict HAS to do to stop using. And really all along, once addicted, there is a part of them that loathes the drug even when they are getting high which explains the hateful behavior during the relationship even when they are professing to care and don't really want to lose you. Mine is also on Match.com, I recently saw his profile there and honestly, after the initial disgust it made me laugh. My breakup is not as fresh as yours, so I understand having a different reaction, but it is the perfect way to have continual supply without even having to leave the house. I've considered trying a dating site, even for distraction, but I don't know anymore if that is worth trying to weed out the normal guys from the predators (which I'm sure use them as their always available 24/7 personal and anonymous dealer). Journey on...

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Feb 1 - 3PM
gettinbetter
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Yep that pretty much

Yep that pretty much explains why in the beginning he said I think about what we are gonna talk about all day and I'm so excited when I see an email from you. The first month he was euphoric. I think even more so than me
Feb 1 - 3PM (Reply to #6)
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Exactly SOI

It is also why in the beginning, mine was the one who always call me, always want to see me, spend time with me whenever he could and looked at me with gooey doll eyes that I mistook for him falling in love. Huh! Journey on...

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Feb 1 - 3PM
Briseis
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Oh I agree, too, that the

Oh I agree, too, that the Narc's behavior toward us or any current supply is "addictive". I have never been comfy with the "addiction to the Narc" concept either, mainly because it is an ugly metaphor and it felt true in a way I didn't want to acknowledge LOL! I HAVE been addicted to things and broken that addiction, with alcohol and with cigs. So I still have to concede that my bond with him was an addictive bond, but his bond with me was EQUALLY addictive and obviously a helluva lot more desperate. My exNarc and I both had addictions to substances, so the addiction metaphor was in it's full glory and obvious with us. It's not so obvious when it is pure interpersonal addiction regarding "supply". Our brains supply the "addictive reaction" with the Narc completely without us putting a substance into our bodies. Our brain pumps out it's own neurochemicals in response to the push/pull and dramatic pain/relief cycles, and we become neurochemically addicted to the cycle of abuse in a helpless way. It completely follows that the Narc is experiencing the exact same thing, in their neurochemisty. The craving for supply, and then the relief of getting it. But I feel pretty solid in the fact that both Narc and victim are being jerked around by the exact same addictive process. With very different initial motivations, which result in similar behaviors.
Feb 1 - 3PM (Reply to #4)
Journey
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I hear you Briseis

About how we both eventually become addicted. Like an addict who needs company in his addiction, he fed me the drug of his love then held it at arms length. Intermittently he'd feed me just enough to keep me wanting more. When he took it away at the end, I was weaned off of it slowly since I hadn't gone no contact, but enough time without it has passed now and my cravings are no longer constant or as debilitating. I became addicted for sure, but he is the one with a lifelong problem and I am the one willing to face the pain of withdrawal in order to get healthy again while he continues to chase his next fix. Journey on...

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Feb 1 - 2PM
strongerthanever
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Makes complete sense. My exN

Makes complete sense. My exN kept ex's and vulnerable women in the supply chain and looped around to them weekly, monthly, yearly, or every 2-8 yrs. It mattered if he worked with them or if they were married and living elsewhere. I havent heard from my exN since July 09. That is when he started to date his now wife...he already knew her in Feb 09 when we were still together and that is when the interest started. He was stringing me along until in July he knew he had his other supply snagged. Yet during that time of dating her, he was reaching out to an old supply he hadn't talk to in 2 yrs. He did the same to me. But, what are the chances of him after a while into this new marriage he starts new supply? If he's been doing this for 20+ yrs, I would think it'll be hard to stop unless this wife meets all of his expectations...for now. I know for a fact he has a couple of his old ex's, married and with kids, in the address book and talks to them pretty regularly. I never liked that. I guess this new young wife is ok with it. I have guy friends from 20 yrs ago that I never slept with. And I make friends with their wives and talk to them too so they will never feel threatened. I honestly believe my exN was "high" and that is why he proposed to a girl he knew for only seriously dated for 6 months and knew for 8 months. For those that saw the wedding pics, they said he looked manic and his blood pressure was high because his face was all red. I also think his new depression medication played a part in this euphoria. Soon the meds will wear off and he'll start his hunt again.
Feb 1 - 3PM (Reply to #2)
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Stronger Than Ever

Don't think for a minute his new wife is 'okay with it'. Likely she feels just like you did and he uses her discomfort against her in the same way. Using this addict analogy, he will NEVER be able to hold onto whatever contentment he gets from his current supply. No drug can sustain the level of potency needed to keep the high strong enough before the temptation of a new drug will take his focus. My exN seemed 'high' in the beginning too and I had no reason to see it any other way. He seemed genuinely happy to be with me. Journey on...

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