Uh oh - I'm a very kind person & I feel myself faltering with the N :(

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#1 Oct 1 - 11AM
FarmGirl
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Uh oh - I'm a very kind person & I feel myself faltering with the N :(

He's been actively wooing me back into the fold since I ended it with him on Sept 18.
We live together so he has easy access to me.
I am also a very forgiving and kindhearted person so this is as natural to me as breathing.
I can feel the kindness towards him in my heart swelling back (not love really, not sexual desire, but just kindness - ie reaching out and touching him or hugging him...which still is harmful to me)...
I need to stay strong and tough so that I don't go backwards and end up in the same pit of despair I was in before.

Bonus points to anyone who knows what movie I just referenced ;)

Oct 2 - 12PM
emtg
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princess bride:)

All we can tell you is try to stay strong, and 1) No, it won't be different this time 2) no, he can't change, 3) no, it is not possible to put the past behind you and move forward together and 4) no, he doesn't want the same things you do. UNLESS YOU WANT TO SPEND YOUR LIFE WORSHIPPING HIM? That is the only way you want the same things. I have come back from breakup and heartache multiple times with a hug or even less than that, just for the sheer joy of having someone "become nice" again and "come back" after days of silence. It always got worse, it felt worse, and a part of me died every time. Thinking of you.
Oct 1 - 3PM
Sunafterrain
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Oh my, oh my, oh my FG.......

I'm glad you came here to share this, but....... I understand how you feel about your house and I know you're determined to stay and keep it... BUT, is it worth the torture? Seriously? It sounds like you're fudging a bit.... It's time to make a major decision. Waiting around for this mortgage thing to go through could take a looooong time. Is it an excuse to stay? I hope not. Can you throw him out now? There has to be a way around this, FG, so you aren't living with the bastard. He's going to continue this and it's only going to get worse. I'm glad you came here, but if you cave...well, we aren't there to help, this really does come down to you and where your priority lies.
Oct 1 - 11AM
Hunter
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Do you have plans to move

Do you have plans to move out? Sept18 is less than 2 weeks ago!! I guess the question I have for you is! What do you want for you? You can continue on the same way or you can make a plan to move forward! Hunter
Oct 1 - 12PM (Reply to #21)
FarmGirl
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I own the house, he pays the mortgage

I'm under a mortgage modification program (they haven't said yes yet but they haven't said no)... I've put tons of my own money into this house and work non-stop on it to make it look nice. It was a very shabby house until I started the work on it - he hasn't done anything but pay the mortgage. I'm hoping they come thru quick with their YES decision. I want peace. I'll never find it with him.
Oct 1 - 12PM (Reply to #22)
Unfreakinreal
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I don't know your situation

I don't know your situation but do you need him to pay the mortgage? I have a job that barely makes ends meet, rarely any semblance of child support and I am constantly robbing Peter to pay Paul. I pay the mortgage and my son has no idea how tight things are for us right now. And my life is fabulous! I wanted more for us, and I have it, every time I walk in my front door. I apologize if it's just not possible right now for you but I believe we make happen what we want to make happen. Xoxo
Oct 1 - 12PM (Reply to #23)
Tigerlily
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Farm Girl, we all know you`re kind!

Anyone who`s read your posts knows how kind and wholesome you are!Really! But that kindness is just WASTED on a narc. Would you be kind to Count Dracula if he was pining away because you wouldn`t let him suck your blood? I sincerely hope you wouldn`t! If he`s actively wooing you now, it`s only because his other tricks haven`t worked. Like a small kid, he`s trying a new manipulation. Don`t let yourself be manipulated. Hell, why waste your kindness on a jerk? Direct it back to you and your kids every time you feel the urge! Unfreakingreal is quite right. It`s better to get out, even if you`re not sure how you`ll manage. I slept for 8 weeks on 3 alternating sofas of friends, and had to give my kids a sense of stability AND go on working as well, and I`m sure you`re stronger than I am! Make a secret decision to get out and start working on it (start saving money, testing out friends on who can help and how, gently preparing your children, looking into possibilities for YOUR survival without HIM). Please start thinking of yourself! Thinking of you and wishing you strength, Tigerlily
Oct 1 - 2PM (Reply to #24)
FarmGirl
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I know I can survive without him it's just a matter of time

I am looking at getting a roommate when the mortgage modification goes thru. I can't charge enough to cover the mortgage as it is right now. I'd get foreclosed on for sure. I worked too hard to get this house to let it go; especially in this terrible market. This is ALL I have as security for my youngest son. I just have to stay strong and tough it out for a bit and then with the help of you guys, my therapist(who I see for the 1st time tomorrow) and my family I will make it.
Oct 1 - 11AM
Unfreakinreal
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Don't do it.

Seriously. That "reassuring hug" is a killer. Every time. Find different outlets for your kindness. They will use it against you. Every time. Big hugs.
Oct 1 - 12PM (Reply to #2)
FarmGirl
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I'll repeat that in my mind (the hug is a killer)

when I feel nicely towards him. I went thru a mental checklist of the way he's mistreated & abused my love this morning as I was lying in bed thinking about him. That also helped. Especially reminding myself of the clearly dirty sage green lacy undies I found tucked into a corner of a box this summer. It was a box I had brought groceries home from Costco just a few weeks before & he took the box to use as 'tool storage'. I was looking for a certain tool later & voila dirty green panties. I about threw up. They're just one of dozens I've found over the years. YUCK & YIKES
Oct 1 - 1PM (Reply to #3)
Used
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DIRTYGREENPANTIES

What, are they his?
Oct 1 - 1PM (Reply to #4)
Hunter
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Used,

Hahaha!!
Oct 1 - 1PM (Reply to #5)
Used
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hunter

i am serious, was he a crossdresser, or did they belong to a women....
Oct 1 - 1PM (Reply to #13)
FarmGirl
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they're too tiny for his behind ;)

they're clearly someone else's he was a bit freaky about getting to the mailbox before I could for awhile around that time - I assume he chatted up a chick online & got her to send them to him I've found stacks of old panties, bras etc over the years. It disturbs me so much that I have hardly thought about it so I didn't have to face it. :(
Oct 1 - 2PM (Reply to #19)
Used
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yeah exn had a big arse, when

yeah exn had a big arse, when he got on his bike,the saddle disappeared....and one day i said dont bend over ,someone will park there bike in your butt...
Oct 1 - 2PM (Reply to #14)
Used
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UNDERWEAR

i knew someone who got arrested for stealing womens underwear off clotheslines.... how embarresing.....
Oct 1 - 2PM (Reply to #15)
FarmGirl
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there was a guy in my state

who was arrested for stealing tons of underwear from a local college laundry facility - he ended up nearly being blamed for a murder too! luckily for him they finally let him go due to lack of evidence and later found the real murderer. goes to show you that a panty fetish is a dangerous thing...
Oct 1 - 2PM (Reply to #16)
Used
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any fetish is a dangerous

any fetish is a dangerous thing...specially narcs cos they are always so bizarre
Oct 1 - 2PM (Reply to #17)
FarmGirl
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p o r n

my oldest son found man & dolphin snuff porn on Ns network (he figured out how to hack into the Ns Fort Knox) after he told me about that one, I declined to hear anything else he found - it was too disturbing
Oct 1 - 2PM (Reply to #18)
Used
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omg

you definatly have to get rid of him...today in the paper, police, having taken a mans computer to search for child porn ,found also, an octupus, a snake and a dog ,beign sexually abused...wtf is the world comeing too....its to terrible, so if your narc had that on his computer....dont feel sorry for him...just feel revolted, and if you keep these thoughts in your head...you won't want him around ever again.....
Oct 1 - 1PM (Reply to #6)
Unfreakinreal
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Used...

Ewwwwwww That just gave me a visual that I didn't need :) Mine came in the bathroom while I was in the shower wearing my jeans. He thought it was hysterical. Me, not so much. And stretched out my favorite shoes. OMG, the things we choose to forget...
Oct 1 - 1PM (Reply to #7)
Used
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unfreakingreal

they are all mental cases, who i believe HATE WOMEN COS THEY WANT TO BE WOMEN...i have always thought that.....i am glad myexn didnt try my shoes on...i am a 1, they took size 10,s...in fact i said to both of them,why dont you rent your shoes out to SOMEONE HOMELESS, THEY COULD LIVE IN THEM...THEY WERE AS BIG AS BOATS....
Oct 2 - 7PM (Reply to #12)
Susan32
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Words of Wisdom

"Hate women 'cos they want to be women"-From my own experience, YES, that is definitely true! My former Narc boss was openly gay-but he was fascinated with drag queens, he also had a thing for post-menopausal women. He pals around with mother figures and/or lesbians. He'd joke about how he had PMS, or was going thru menopause. He'd say he had bad moods due to PMS. He could be quite effeminate, he had the lisp. He couldn't stand young women because they were, in his words, "hormonal." I found him an odd mixture of being very respectful towards women and outright misogyny. He'd talk about how he wrecked his car because he was upset over his mother's death, couldn't stand his father (who is apparently still alive) It would be easy to say he disrespected women, because he could be just as disrespectful towards men. He once hired a homeless guy who was stealing from the nursing home, and they once chatted about how they wanted to sell Mary Kay cosmetics. The ex-Psych prof was quite effeminate... it was an ex-BOYfriend of his who warned me against getting more involved. He'd get incredibly angry and call me a slut if I wore dresses/skirts... once, I joked, "do you want to wear my dress?" That did NOT go over well. In his favorite novel, "War and Peace",there are several examples of men cross-dressing... Nastasaya Ivanovna, the buffoon on the Rostov estate, wears women's clothes&goes by a woman's name;Nicholas Rostov dresses up like an old woman for Christmas festivities with the Cossacks;Platon is described as speaking "like an old mother" and at one point, a soldier dresses up women's clothes for reasons never really explained.The ex-P barely spoke of his mother, but he worshipped his father. After the ex-P flaunted his masculine girlfriend, I joked with my classmates that we should get the couple romantic gifts-massage oils, Victoria's Secret, and one of my classmates said "he'd wear the Victoria's Secret." To top it off, the ex-P was a virulent homophobe. Very hateful towards gays. Again, I saw him treat men badly... on top of the misogyny. I've known gay men who respect women&treat them well, don't engage in mindgames. Ns/Ps are an entirely other species. Just because a man hates women doesn't mean he'll treat men any better. You're right. You definitely have the essence of the misogyny nailed.
Oct 1 - 2PM (Reply to #8)
into the light
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Wow, Used. I'm going to

Wow, Used. I'm going to think about that for a bit.. 'HATE WOMEN COS THEY WANT TO BE WOMEN'. I'm going to try and link that up with his really creepy relationship with his mother. Can you help?? Mine used to put on a lot of jasmine perfume/oil. And groomed himself more than I did. He also wore flowery shirts sometimes. AND he wore my dressing gown when he stayed over - I'm tiny and he is obese! But he was always talking about his anger issues and how he liked to settle differences with a fight. Very macho. But then, what they say means nothing, right? I've read flirtatious messages with his daughter's ex boyfriend online. Hmmm.... Thanks, Used. Food for thought!
Oct 1 - 2PM (Reply to #11)
Hunter
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Sounds no different than

Sounds no different than Norman Bates!! Read up On mother enmeshed men!! Hunter
Oct 1 - 2PM (Reply to #9)
Used
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intothe light

exn said to be once, you wish you were a man ,i know you do?...WTF...it made me begin thing the other way round......would a real real womean hater...not want to go anywhere near a woman....they would stick with men...THINK ABOUT SOMETHING YOU REALY HATE....WOULD YOU WANT TO BE AROUND IT...... he has also a lot of fetishes, that leave a lot to be desired.....yuk
Oct 1 - 2PM (Reply to #10)
Used
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manly

exn looked so manly and alpha male, he was always on about anger issues and all that manly crap.....i only knew him to hit a women.....never a man.....he was a friggen pussycat......he was jealous of me, in that i said what i ment if someone upset me...male or female...friend or foe....he wouldnt do any of this...only ever talked about it.... he said YOU HAVE BIGGER BALLS THAN ANY MAN I KNOW....he was right...he wants to be a women, he thinks they can have balls but get away with more cos they are women....he has also seen women....so on the floor[his exs] and he has been so glad...then they have got back on their feet....HE IS GUTTED...whereas he is and has just gone down and down over the years, and stayed there..