For those who are married? How did you tell them about the N/P?

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#1 Oct 21 - 5PM
Jewwell
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For those who are married? How did you tell them about the N/P?

For those who are married? How did you tell your husband about the N/P?

What was their reaction? Advice???

The N/P is threatening me again. I haven't written much, so to re-cap my story...Married 26 years (not to an N) and 18 months ago began an emotional affair (one time a little bit of fooling around but not sex) with the N (or now, I'm convinced a P!) Lots of money lent + A LOT of very personal information was shared during our thousands of hours of talking and this would really hurt my husband.

It is starting to make me physically sick and I am considering telling my husband and letting things fall where they will.

Oct 23 - 8PM
betty2020
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Jewwell, I dont think

Jewwell, I dont think telling your husband is going to make this all better. It may give you temporary relief but it will torture him. If you really care about your husband, you will put his needs and safety first, and that is not by giving him crushing news of this affair. So not a good choice in my book. You need to look closely at what you stand to gain out of continuing on with this N. Can he give you something long lasting? Will he be a great provider and soul mate? Is he marriage material? What is his patterns and track record in yours and previous relationships? Is he supportive, caring, kind, gentle, loving, affectionate etc... Can he give you what you need in a partnership? I would bet to say no to all the above. If you have answered no.... you are wasting your time with him and you are ruining your relationship with the person you are married to not to mention destroying yourself. Best advise on this: End this relationship the narc and work on your marriage. If you find in the end that you can not make this work with your husband then so be it. But a least you made the effort to make it right. In the end you can not control what this Narc does or doesn't do. If he tells him then deal with this when it comes to into play. But coming forth without the knowledge of whether he will or will not blow the whistle on all of this will only cause tremendous hurt to your husband and It may not be necessary. Especially if your intentions are to stay with him. If your going to tell him wait until you are completely out of it for some time and in therapy. There is a right way and a wrong way to break this kind of news. You have dug a deep hole my friend and where this all falls remains to be seen. Either way I believe your strong enough to survive this and learn from the mistake. Just my opinion for what it is worth. xoxo only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Oct 21 - 10PM
loveofmylife
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jewell

this has brought tremendous trauma in my marriage, obviously. My husband has suspected something as long as 22 years ago. He found out through email....i didn't tell him. that was 5 years ago, and he hasn't been able to trust me sense. I have a very calm, understanding husband. He was deeply hurt...but never "punished" me because of it. Crazy when I think of all the stupid things Narc punished me over. But we still struggle with it...he is still hurt over it...he still doesn't trust me... and we are still trying to figure out what to do about our marriage. Because the fact is, the Narc came into my life because my husband and I had no emotional connection. And we still don't. And I think I will always feel the desire to be with someone I am connected to - since that is vitally important to me. So he is very afraid that one day I may be gone...and that is definitely a huge risk in our relationship. I think your decision depends on your husband. If you think you might be physically hurt, I'm not sure I would do it. I was lucky that my H is calm and understanding. What kinds of threats are you receiving? My N threatened me to, but it was more of like work extortion...and I just sucked it up and cried all the time. I didn't share any of these threats.
Oct 21 - 11PM (Reply to #25)
Jewwell
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LOML - thank you

The N/P is threatening to tell my husband that I have been cheating for 2 yrs. He has a way of turning around the truth to benefit him -- he said that I am the one who tried to set him up with the credit card fraud to get back at him. WTF!!! Other than some fooling around one day (no sex), there was nothing physical. But SO MUCH was talked about -- now I realize, way beyond my comfort level. My husband would not physically hurt me -- but, he is such a black and white person that I don't think he would understand how an empath such as myself could get sucked into such a thing. Can you contact me off board and give me the name of the therapist you mentioned a while back?
Oct 21 - 11PM (Reply to #26)
loveofmylife
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Jewell

I've thought about this hard too. I've shared SOOOO Much with N. What if he one day decides to call H. Well, here is what my conclusion was....at least in my case I don't think N would ever tell H...because N is smart enough to know that some Husbands get ballistic over these things and lose it and my Husband is a very big man! So I guess the question is...do you think your N/P is crazy/stupid enough to do this and vindictive enough? Or do you think he is smart and doesn't want to mess up his life any further? Mine is smart and has kids that he adores and wouldn't want to mess that up. Why do you think N/P is making these threats? It is blackmail, vindictivenes??? Yes, I can't remember how contact works. Do you just email betty your email and then I email you?
Oct 21 - 11PM (Reply to #27)
Jewwell
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What is he capable of -- ???????

I think the N is not only an N, but that he also has Antisocial PD...scary stuff that was so well hidden! Today's texts, after 2 weeks NC, started out that he has no money, that he is going to get evicted, etc. I have been helping support him for 1.5 years since he is living on SSI benefits. I just discovered today that back in May, he totally tricked me into signing a doc which made me the "guarantor" on his apartment lease. I am livid! This is the final straw. I am just sick to my stomach that a person who claimed to be my "soulmate" and best friend and blah blah blah could F*** me over like this. I think he is desperate. Very desperate. I was the only friend he had.
Oct 22 - 9AM (Reply to #29)
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They are crazy, but they are

They are crazy, but they are not stupid. I think it's probably an empty threat, for the reasons loml is talking about... they are also cowards and he only likes to bully someone like you that he can manipulate. I doubt he really wants to take on your husband. As for your husband, I would imagine he would be 1000 times more pissed off about you giving him money than anything else. If the N threatens you again with telling your husband, I would simply tell him (thru email or something, not personally) "I've already told him. He's angry but he forgives me." In fact this could be used to your advantage. My husband knows and has forbidden me to talk to you or give you anything more. The end. That takes away his threat, and it takes away his leverage, and it gives you someone else to "blame" for no contact. What do you think? I don't think I would want to tell your husband if you don't have to, but I will only say that if you are willing to completely go no contact and end this relationship with the N. Do you have a therapist you can discuss this with?
Oct 22 - 10PM (Reply to #31)
Jewwell
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Better off- thanks!

It was your reply yesterday that got me motivated to find a therapist today and it must have been meant to be -- she had a cancellation and I rushed over there and made the appt. Thanks!
Oct 22 - 10PM (Reply to #30)
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And to add to what Better off said,

Maybe also add, and my husband has made it very clear that if there is anymore contact from you, he will interpret it as harassment and will force me to file charges and get an order of protection with the police. I read somewhere Narcs don't like police too much.
Oct 21 - 11PM (Reply to #28)
loveofmylife
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Low functioning narc

that's the difference here... he probably is crazy enough to cross the line into your life. Mine had a reputation to uphold, so couldn't do this. I hope you are ignoring him though. You must do this. Eventually he will realize you are giving him no supply and go away. But I do agree with the others here about getting some legal advise right now though. But pls above all, stay NC with the narc. He will eventually dry up and go away so you need to maintain NC. Yes, and mine was my soulmate and my "closest and dearest friend" also. It is incredible how they can lure you in and play with you and then abuse you.
Oct 21 - 7PM
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Jewwell - Heal Yourself First

Hi Jewwell - you may want to read my story - Morty's Story. A little different than yours - my husband knew about my feelings for the ex-narc long before the ex-narc did. My husband and I are still married - more like peacefully co-existing mainly because our daughter is so young. He's been wonderfully supportive during all this turmoil. But the circumstances are unique, as you'll see... I think the important thing for you to figure out is whether or not telling your husband at this point would accomplish anything. Since there are problems in the marriage, it sounds like perhaps you guys could use some professional help. But prior to that, perhaps individual counseling might help you? So that you can understand why you became a victim of the narc. And then so you can determine if you have the desire to do the hard work to improve the marriage? What are the bonds that hold you together and are they strong enough to make it worth it?
Oct 21 - 7PM (Reply to #18)
Jewwell
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Thank you Morty!

Right now, the only reason I would tell my husband is because I am afraid -- afraid of what the N/P will do next! I discovered a few months ago that he attempted to open credit cards in my name and just recently, realized he completely tricked me into signing a document - long story - but it was as a guarantor on his apartment lease. I think I need a lawyer and I am plain old scared that this A**H*le is going to ruin my life!! The bonds that hold my husband and I together -- I would say are the kids, the pets, the house AND we have been together since 1979!! Am I lonely? Yes. Is there any romance? No. But -- if it is time for my marriage to end, I WANT TO be the one making the decisions and not because of threats from the N/P !!! Thank you.
Oct 21 - 7PM (Reply to #21)
jen79
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Jewell

Call a lawyer, and you might need to talk to your husband anyway. Jewell, it was "just" an emotional affair, you didnt really cheat. You might have to use this opportunity, to rejuvinate your marriage, maybe it will be healing for you both. And you need to talk to him, when this P is threaten you in this way. If your husbands loves you, if you talk to him in a honest way, he will be hurt first, but it can be a new beginning for you both too. Think about it.
Oct 21 - 7PM (Reply to #22)
Jewwell
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Emotional in all ways

Yes, it was an emotional affair -- but I felt like I would have given this N/P everything I had...and I mean everything. I am just devastated. My husband is a very black and white kind of guy. He doesn't really comprehend emotions, loneliness, longing, etc. I don't think he will react very well and I'm not sure that he actually loves me. We co-habitate, but I don't know if he loves me.
Oct 21 - 8PM (Reply to #23)
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Jewell

Isnt that already your answer, Jewell? Do you want to stay with someone without speaking about what happened, when you are not even sure, that he loves you? Sounds like there really is something wrong there. And I think it is time to talk about it, doesnt matter what will happen then. It is either a new start for you both, or a new start just for you. I really would go for counceling, there are some deeper issues lying beneeth that all.
Oct 21 - 7PM (Reply to #19)
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Jewwell - Yes, Call A Lawyer

Sounds like you need that before you need a therapist. I'm assuming you've done all the routine stuff like change your credit card numbers, PINs, passwords, etc? If he tried to open a credit card in your name, you might want to talk to the police too. You're right, your husband shouldn't have to be a victim. Hang in there. Tough situation, to say the least.
Oct 21 - 7PM (Reply to #20)
Jewwell
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A lawyer

This is killing me! I am the kind of person who pays their bills, returns library books on time, etc!!! I don't even know how I would find a lawyer to help me -- but I'm a smart girl and I'll figure it out!! I now have credit monitoring and a "block" on my SS #. The credit card companies did NOT give him a card but I did not report it to the police yet. I canceled all of my cards, too and he does NOT know my bank account #. Every time I think I have covered myself, he hits me with something else.
Oct 21 - 6PM
jen79
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Jewell

Before telling your husband, you have to ask yourself, why you thought you needed this affair. be brutally honest with yourself. Is this relationship you are in healthy, is everything ok? Are you using this N, to get away from your husband. Little back story to myself. I was with a normal guy for 6 years, then I met the N, and I did tell him, we brok up, and now we dated again for 6 months and I realized NOW, there was a reason why I cheated. He is a nice guy, but there was emotional abuse, he took me for granted, he used me for being there, he wasnt really commited to me, he didnt want to build up a future with me, he never let me talk, he didnt see me anymore, he belittled me. Again, he is not a narc, just a foolish, immature "nice" guy. And before telling him anything, I would think again, if somethings wrong with you and him. If not, dont tell him, go NC with the N and stay NC, and consider counceling, therapy will help you to process what happened. If not, I would talk with your husband about your real problems, the real one, I think then the N might be just a symptom... Hugs
Oct 21 - 6PM (Reply to #16)
Jewwell
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Jen79 - thanks! + message for LOML

Yes, there are definitely a lot of things missing in the marriage! Otherwise, I would not have been so available for the P. I need to give all of this a lot of thought and I truly, truly appreciate your feedback. I have NO ONE else to talk to and I am ready to scream. LOML - If you read this -- can you contact me off the board and give me the name of the therapist you posted a while back???
Oct 21 - 6PM
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I'm not sure

I think I hear you say, your married to a normal man, yet your emotions are going to a N/P? If so, RUN home to the normal husband. Tell him? He will think or make himself really believe it YOU.....You will feel crazy and tired and possibly lose your marriage. Not worth it. You can try to tell him but it doesn't do any good for anyone.
Oct 21 - 6PM (Reply to #2)
Jewwell
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Blueeyes

Yes, married to a "normal" man -- though, many things lacking in this marriage. Want N/P to go away and leave me alone...but he keeps making threats and is using everything I told him against me. I'm physically sick!
Oct 21 - 7PM (Reply to #3)
blueeyes
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Oh no..

Threats can scare you! I know first hand, the paranoia will give you physical sysmtoms. Jen is right, get to the deep issue with your husband and even if the N pscho does tell your husband or try to harm you, it won't matter. By then, you and your husband are normal people and normal people can get through anything. The N??? He can't even get through an HOUR with himself! Literally, it's hard for them to exsist. They love slow songs because of it. They are nuts.
Oct 21 - 7PM (Reply to #4)
Jewwell
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Blueeyes -- NUTS they are!!

Yes, they are NUTS! ... and the mask has completely fallen this time. I was the only friend he had and he just f***ed me over again!! As someone else said on this board, I saved him when he was drowning and then he stepped on me. I am afraid that he won't stop until he ruins my life!!!!
Oct 21 - 8PM (Reply to #5)
blueeyes
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He won't...

If you want, you can make him do whatever you want. It is really quite simple to manipulate a Narc. Unfortunatly, we have to learn manipulation, they are born with it. Google how to manipulate a Narcissist. Better yet, here you go: http://www.cheating-infidelity.com/Home/narcissism/how-to-manipulate-narcissist.html
Oct 21 - 8PM (Reply to #6)
Jewwell
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Manipulating

Thank you for the link! I have been doing research and I am almost certain that he has both NPD and antisocial personality disorder. Right before I met him he had been in jail for 8 days for domestic abuse against his ex-wife -- discovered this when I picked up some docs for him at the court. Ex has a restraining order out against him; only allowed to see daughter under supervision and refuses to do so, so hasn't seen her in almost 2 years. Since I have known him, he has been evicted 2 times and will be evicted again soon. Lies. Steals. Cheats. Blames. No remorse. etc. etc etc. enough to scare!!!
Oct 21 - 10PM (Reply to #7)
blueeyes
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so you know!

My H is a NP and ASPD. It is something you must get away from my dear.
Oct 22 - 9PM (Reply to #11)
Jewwell
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Blueeyes -- Brand new therapist is thinking Sociopath

I went to my very first session today and just let it all out. This was the very first time I had spoken to anyone about this. She is thinking Sociopath and I have three goals 'til our next session: NC + protect myself + reading list. Scary stuff.
Oct 23 - 3PM (Reply to #14)
blueeyes
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Sociapath

I am not sure if I would really believe the therapist yet? Wait a little to see if you can trust her. Also, yes Jewell to the NC asap. I am not into therapists at the moment. Mine really pissed me off! sOMETIMES THEY ARE a HOLES! Keep reading honey...You will get it.
Oct 22 - 9PM (Reply to #12)
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Sociopath

I read somewhere on this board that Sociopath was the old term for Narcissist. Not sure how correct that information is; however, I do know that the DSM gets revised every so often, so you may essentially still be talking about the same thing just using different terms. Can anyone clarify this or discuss the distinction?
Oct 22 - 10PM (Reply to #13)
Jewwell
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Michele115

The therapist today used the term Sociopath to describe him when I told her about some of his thefts/lies/cons/accusations of spousal abuse with his ex./ etc..
Oct 21 - 11PM (Reply to #8)
Jewwell
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Blueeyes - ASPD is scary!

The more I read about ASPD, the more I realize how scary it is. When I first met him, he was a newly baptized Mormon and appeared to be very spiritual BUT ALSO so moody. I suspected bi-polar. Then, as I got to know him better, I researched narcissism. Then, low-functioning narcissism and now with these recent threats, I am more and more sure that it is ASPD. No cure. Bleak outlook.