"THEY will get theirs" *fist pump*

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#1 Dec 1 - 12PM
chickon2
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"THEY will get theirs" *fist pump*

Oh really? when?

B/c I am a little D.O.N.E. with their happiness.

or fake happiness.

I saw the crier again..today, with the married chick.

she had her arms folded, and he was proably lying to her about something.

He did not see me..

the other day with that other girl, today with the married chick.

If I snooped on his FB I can bet you he is chatting it up and sleeping with the both of them.

AND you know? WHY DOES HE GET TO GET LAID??????

B/c really? I KNOW he gets it with fake charm, and lying.
but dammit he is still getting some..

and affection, and love and caring from these women..

and even thought he is LYING..to get laid & to get love ane attention..they are not,..

they are being with him like we were.

Lovey, devoting, honest, spiritual, amazed, pampering, b/c we thought he deserved that...

shitte we deserve that... AND when we gave it we, were honest about it..

soooo I/we should be getting it now..

AND I know that everything is in good timing...and it is better to be alone, and get your self straightened out after this crap that happend to us..

I know it, I know it, I know it..

AND YES I also know that these jokers will end up lonely SOME DAY.

well that may be 30 years from now..

and honestly I would like to see his fake crying, massive lying, cheating ass alone NOW....

ok vent over...

Dec 3 - 9AM
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Susan 32

It is WONDERFUL that you are surrounded by such beauty... You should be..
Dec 3 - 9AM
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michelle

"Chin up... He's not Rico Suave El esta Socio Suave...LMAO! HAHAHAHAH LOVE it................. damn I love laughing in the morning while drinking my coffee.. Thank you sugar........
Dec 2 - 3PM
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they will get theirs

Hi, I am totally feeling what you are saying chick, this S.ugar H.oney I.ced T ea. seems to be a lot of positive mumbo jumbo to me. most days im looking for the big payback i want the ex N in my life to feel sad, lonely and unloved, yep i said it and i mean it well at least my alter ego means it. I am a spiritual person and thanks to the involvement with funk master flex, i am improving on relationship with god, im learning to depend on him. codependency is a problem for me, i spent the last year focused on the insane behavior of him , and i realized that i had to be even sicker than him to continue to be involved over and over again, well i understand that i cant maintain a position of getback, thats not a spiritual thing, got that, i will admit that it will be a bit refreshing to know that he is reaping his venom , but i must concentrate on my codependency & let the healing begin. i am truly grateful for this site ,writing and sharing, and communicating with people who understand.
Dec 3 - 9AM (Reply to #32)
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Ok first of all Your user name Rocks the mic the Riiiight...Love it AND when I read funk master flex I almost lost my bladder... AND I wanted to give you a hug all at the same time... I am super duper A 1 codependent right here..Maybe Read stuff this stuff http://www.melodybeattie.com/ Her books helped me a boat load.. I want to see him suffer a bit.. Like I want him to be blown out of the water, for everyone to know he is a fraud.. But from What I read... They are in fear of that happening to them all the time anyway.. BUT I, know exactly what you mean from your post.. You hit the nail on the head with this. " i realized that i had to be even sicker than him to continue to be involved over and over again," That is how I started feeling after snooping.. I felt the ick narc... snooping.. It's gross.. NC is the best.. The best for everyone.. It's super hard. But nothing worth while comes easy... They have some amazing people on here.. Whipper snappers B/c Boooy they whip me back into place when my dorky ness takes over. HAve a great weekend.........
Dec 1 - 7PM
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The Eternal Child

I've been reading some Sam Vaknin recently, especially when he tackles the eternal childhood of Ns/Ps. A year after the D&D... the ex-Psych professor's parents moved in with him to raise his twins. His colleagues who have kids either (a)hire a babysitter among students or (b)the wife takes the mommy route. The ex-P enjoyed his freedom, his independence, his parents being in New England while he partied in New Mexico. Then his parents moved in. Party's over. Forever. No more classes at his place that consist of drinking wine.
Dec 2 - 11AM (Reply to #29)
chickon2
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Susan 32

The wine drinking does not sound so bad susan... :-)
Dec 2 - 4PM (Reply to #30)
Susan32
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I live in the Wine Country now...

Well, I moved here 8 years ago ;) But drinking wine with a psychopath? No way. That's what his class was... drinking wine. With him. Talk about a liability issue. I'm surrounded by vineyards and wineries now ;))
Dec 2 - 7PM
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for chickon

I wrote you a comment to your posting about" do you think their mothers ruined them", please read when you can, thanks!As for LONELY,mine is already in his 60's ,moved to small isolated town, really knows no one, resorting to cybersex with webcam he said that about me, what does THAT tell you!!???? Left the state where he had 3 children all living in the same state PLUS grandchildren and MOVED away from them ALL.............
Dec 1 - 1PM
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He is alone..

Chic, Rest assured he is alone; somewhere deep within, NOTHING is there. He hurt everyday; he's alone when he's surrounded by the best of supply. Think about that, who in their right mind would drop most of these amazing ladies such as yourself, and others in this fashion? The answer: NOONE but these hooligans, a real man, a genuine human will end with closure and dignity, still carry you in their heart and hoped things would have worked out. The abyss that is the N does no such, he's on a constant search for something he will never find, it torments them, they are exhausted constantly from lying, hiding, cheating, denying, faking it to make it and it all falls down, trust, he is definitely alone, and empty always and forever. It would be nice to have one of those crystal balls like the witch in the wizard of oz had to see him cry in the dark though, lol, but that's too much like Narcy, I couldn't look long, best wishes, xoxo. stay~striving

stay~strong

Dec 2 - 11AM (Reply to #26)
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Disillusionedx2

As sad as this is to read,, Thank you sweethear for posting it.. I don't know what is wrong with my head latley.... I need to just get my thought together.. I know better.. I would not be able to look at the crystal ball long either... Yes... stay-striving...love that
Dec 1 - 1PM
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Article

To Tell The Truth: The Frustration of Dealing With Someone Who Lies About Your Relationship Or Their Contribution by NML on December 1, 2010 Several years ago I bumped into an acquaintance who I basically knew via my ex. She seemed caught off guard to see me and made references to me ‘visiting’ and how was I enjoying it now that was ‘back’. Odd really as I lived down the street. When we met up a few months later at a party, all became clear when she explained that she had been confused about seeing me because she had thought I was living in the US because, wait for it, my ex had told her that the reason why we’d broken up was because I wanted to live in America and he didn’t. I should clarify, this was a complete fabrication on his part but unfortunately not the only one… A few months before the party, I’d attended a launch party with a mutual friend and for the sake of not creating an awkward moment with the hosts husband, I’d had to pretend that my ex and I were still engaged, which was ridiculous considering we hadn’t spoken for a few months. Part of me wanted to make a tit out of him for pretending that we were still together while he was knocking off someone else, but the other part of me just couldn’t be arsed with the drama. There is a moment or even sometimes a lengthier time than that, where when someone tells a lie about your relationship or outright fabricates a chain of events, you have to pinch yourself and check that what they say happened isn’t true. Had I lived in America and somehow slept my way through it? Was it my imagination that he’d refused to discuss things after we broke up? The worst thing? Even when he knew that the jig was up, he still tried to keep up the story for a while longer! When we did eventually bump into each other at another party, he was distinctly uncomfortable with reality catching up with him, especially when I made it more than clear to everyone who asked that I’d been living in London the entire time. I’m not alone in this experience – I’ve come across many men and women who have been involved with someone who either during or after the relationship has totally distorted reality. When these people are confronted, they can veer between denying the lies, to actually having the brass balls to attempt to bully you into taking up their version of events, and may even become really aggressive. In fact the more aggressive/hostile that they become, the more you know they’re not liking you interfering with their version of events. They’d rather you disappeared under a rock so that they can weave their web of lies unhindered. Where it can be particularly dangerous is if your self-esteem is wobbly enough that you’d actually question your own version of events/reality and even take on theirs. Another ex of mine told a lie where he basically said that I’d said something when I hadn’t. I think he was covering for someone else. Of course I denied it, but he’d already put it out there and I was feeling so much negative repercussions that I actually wondered if I had said it, convincing myself that maybe I’d got really drunk and totally forgotten it. Trouble is I hadn’t actually known the piece of information before I was accused of the ‘crime’ to tell anyone about it. I see people create a lot of pain for themselves by trying to have a debriefing session with their ex. The problem: while it’s one thing if you both agree on what happened, who did what and yada yada yada, the reality is that it’s only people seeking to get their point of view and perception of things clarified that seek to debrief in the first place. It’s another form of seeking validation and invariably they get disappointed because the fact of the matter is that no-one wants to be told how things went, even if it is what happened. Nobody wants to sit through a blow by blow account of what happened and be told where they failed and most don’t want or need the weight of expectation that comes with someone that’s seeking the ‘truth’ about their emotional experience. The biggest source of pain though is where when you actively seek to ‘change the mind’ of someone who even though they appeared to share the same experience as you, has a totally different reality to you. Much like when I caution against trying to get someone who treated you poorly in the relationship to treat you well now that they’re out of it, if someone was pretty deluded in the relationship, dodged accountability and responsibility, and often told lies, distorted things, and actually has narcissistic tendencies, they will be this and worse outside of the relationship. Relationships are subjective to an extent because there are emotions involved, but what is tricky to dispute is the chain of events that happened and things that were said. What also needs to be recognised is that it is you that gets to decide how well you were treated – not them. It’s all relative and one person’s idea of treating someone well may be a rapid departure from someone else’s. That same ex when I was foolish enough to remind him of how badly he had treated me said “What do you mean I treated you badly? It’s not like I cheated on you or beat you!” This is why it’s so important for us to not only have boundaries so that we recognise how good or how bad we feel and what we do and don’t want to accept, but to also be prepared to be emotionally open and honest with ourselves so that even if they are deluded, we don’t participate in it. When you’re prepared to be emotionally available and have honest conversations with yourself, you’ll feel uncomfortable when you recognise things that you have done that are not in your interests. You’ll feel your emotions, let your thoughts exist and work through them rather than shutting down anything you don’t like or are afraid of, and you’ll be living in reality. This gives you an enormous amount of strength because no-one can tell you who you are, what you did, that the sky is green, or that they’re treating you great when they’re walking all over you, because you’ll know who you are and are comfortable in your own skin and the truth, even when the truth brings you bad news. I know how frustrating it is to encounter someone who tells lies, distorts what happened in the relationship by carefully editing out their contribution while amping up yours or fabricating it, and then has the audacity to try to force their version of the truth on you and others. I’ve seen abusive people swear blind that they love the people that they mistreat and particularly through this blog, I’ve witnessed many a woman in particular throw away their self-esteem, time, energy, health, friends, family, and even money trying to be right. You’re right even if they don’t tell you that you’re right. Any person who will lie, twist, and bully their way around you isn’t going to just roll over and be present to the truth. Even though they won’t qualify what you experienced or admit to their lies or mistreatment or whatever it is they’re distorting, your version of things is just as valid. Having boundaries, treating yourself with love, care, trust, and respect, and being prepared to be emotionally available will enable you to validate your own truth. You know how you feel, you know what you did or didn’t do – you validate you. Pain in the arse that it is, you also have to leave them to their devices rather than trying to invalidate their version of events. Obviously if it’s stepping into legal/professional circumstances then there are ways to deal with them, but if it basically comes down to trying to get them to admit the chain of events in your relationship, or own up to their mistreatment etc, if they’re not decent enough to step up, don’t force it. When there is a wide gap between your ‘realities’ this represents a difference in values and mentalities. It just confirms how incompatible you are. Don’t travel from here to eternity trying to force someone to share your reality and own up to your version of the truth. If you both don’t share similar values, particularly when it comes to integrity and honesty, you’re never going to share an honest, healthy relationship anyway. It’s also important to acknowledge that distance gives objectivity and when we are too close to a situation or our emotions are too raw and getting validation is high on the agenda, our own truth can be a little, if not a lot distorted too. If you have illusions in your relationship and are in denial about who and what you’re involved with, you can’t handle the truth. When you do handle it, you have to do something and get out of the relationship. You’ll realise that you’re being really honest with yourself when you know the reality and you’re OK with letting it be and getting on with your own thing instead of making it your vocation to ‘teach’ others the truth. For about a year or so after I broke up with the ex that lied about me moving away, it bugged me that he was telling porkies to myself and others. It bugged me that he thought of me a certain way, that I may be blamed for things I hadn’t done, or that people may see me in a certain light. As my self-esteem grew and I found other things to preoccupy myself with, I acknowledged the all important truth – you cannot control the uncontrollable. The truth does prevail. It might not do it on your beat and you may not be around to see the consequences of the truth prevailing, but it does so anyway. Let it be.
Dec 1 - 12PM
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Think of it this way, Chickon2

"AND YES I also know that these jokers will end up lonely SOME DAY. well that may be 30 years from now.." 30 years from now they will be old and possibly incapacitated, lost their looks, $$$(if they ever had any), family, friends, their mojo is far gone so no more supply and all that.... Could you think of any WORSE time for someone to be alone?
Dec 2 - 6PM (Reply to #17)
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For Narcs, aging is the ultimate Narc injury

Sam Vaknin has rightly observed that aging is the ultimate Narc injury. Narcs depend on their image.... and when aging comes, the facade falls. Narcs can't rely on their good looks, their smarts, when it's all circling the drain. The ex-Psych professor once said he was going to end up a lonely, miserable old man, "paying people for their services." But then again he also had a huge fixation on suicide... and Cluster Bs have a 10% rate of suicide, the highest for any mood disorder.
Dec 4 - 4PM (Reply to #20)
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Yes, the age thing!!!

The Narc is always commenting on people's appearances and ages and pointing out something negative. So he met a client in person he had only dealt with on the phone and in email. So he said, "She is definitely older, and she looked like she was on a drug for something because her eyes were glassy. She was in great shape for an older lady." LOL! The woman is only two years older than he is. I just sort of sat there in silence. I said, "Well, we are all older every day, and if she wasn't older she'd be dead. Those are the two options." I don't know if this one looks in the mirror at all, but his looks were not what drew me to him. I liked his personality...OK, you can all laugh...I mean the personality he showed me when I first met him.
Dec 4 - 4PM (Reply to #21)
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"I'm an old man"

The ex-Psych professor was constantly referring to himself as an old man... starting out as a fresh-faced young 'un of 32. He was tanned, slender, had model potential (which of course he squandered) He'd strike poses, go to the coffee shop with his shirt open to his navel. America's Next Top Philosopher Model... if it existed. He'd always rag on me about my weight&eating habits... but I saw him get quite fat over 4 years. During the final D&D, I was heartbroken... and he was gorging himself AND getting drunk. Ns/Ps expect us to mirror their negative characteristics. If I had been the one hitting the bottle and stuffing my face... he could've said "see why I dumped her. She's such a mess." (I was really too traumatized to eat that much) By the time his fiancee moved in, he had gotten quite plump. It wasn't attractive. Apparently, my dating drove him to such frustration that he was eating LOTS of junk food. One of his favorite quotes from John Kennedy Toole's "Confederacy of Dunces" is when the narcissistic, obese lead (who's a compulsive masturbator, lives with his mother&terrorizes her) tells his LDR "girlfriend", "I seek surcease and (sexual) sublimation in food." It comes from the final scene when the lead is being hauled off to the insane asylum. The ex-P once prided himself for his looks. He WANTED to look good. With the exception of his horrific tooth decay, I would've leapt into bed with him my freshman year. Unlike some Narcs, he did NOT hit the gym when he got new supply. The ex-P wouldn't celebrate his birthday. He'd just say "I'm getting older and closer to death." He'd call himself a rotting old man... when he was still physically attractive.
Dec 5 - 1PM (Reply to #22)
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Susan32

Wow, that is a very sad way to look at ones self. It sort of brings clarity as to why they are harsh on other people. They are harsh on themselves first. Mine saying I am the prettiest one he's been with sounded great until I saw the other two. Yes, I am the prettiest of that lot, but it isn't saying much. Oh well, he can find another pretty girl out there and bleed her dry. This guy sounds like he did a number on you. This is who is teaching our children? And we pay for it, too? LOL!
Dec 5 - 5PM (Reply to #23)
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It's NOT a public school, thankfully...

He teaches at a private college, so I guess us taxpayers are off the hook(???) The tragic irony is that his father is highly accomplished, health conscious (he suffers from diabetes, the type induced by lack of sleep and constant stress), a conservationist/environmentalist... a truly decent man. It would've been great to have his father as a professor. I've heard him on NPR... he can hold a normal conversation, but his son did a number on him(!) "He did a number on you"-What was bizarre was that during the final D&D I did NOT want to destroy myself. I was too angry to even entertain the thought of attempting suicide. Anger kept me alive. One of my friends asked "are you thinking of killing yourself?" My response was "HELL NO!!!!" The despair of D&D is so wrenching that self-medication with drugs&booze is a temptation. It's that terrible, gnawing emptiness. I wanted to numb myself. But the only alcohol on-campus was cheap Mexican Tecate, that tastes (and looks) like cat urine. It wasn't worth it... The booze was bad (okay, I'm picky--if I had my hands on Muscat at the time, then yes) Smoking was not an option due to asthma. Yes, the ex-P did a number on me. Luckily I never did get as far as the bedroom with a guy whose initial pickup line was "I'm destroying myself." "This is who is teaching our children?"-I told him to take up acting. Starring as a fictional person in a fictional movie doesn't harm as many people. Besides, there is the NS of adoring fans. He got tenure 7 years ago... and he told me how much he hated teaching. Well, because his father said he hated teaching (the difference is that his father can't stand lecturing, prefers discussion, and the ex-P's ultimate fantasy was to be a lecturer without those troublesome Q&A sessions) Yikes. Teaching at the same place since '96. Thank goodness, he doesn't have "ex-boyfriend","ex-lover" or "ex-husband and father of my children" designations. God only gives us the trials we can endure. Being the ex-P's girlfriend was a trial I wouldn't have endured.
Dec 2 - 7PM (Reply to #18)
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Unfortunately

Not high enough... Sad when one's suicide results in the view that it's a giant leap for humanity...HA!
Dec 2 - 7PM (Reply to #19)
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Darwin Awards

The ex-P liked the Arthur Schopenhauer quote that suicide was the highest act of the will. His favorite writers- Tolstoy, Wittgenstein- were suicidal. And one of his favorites, John Kennedy Toole, actually killed himself after losing his professorship due to his crazy-making, paranoid behavior. He idolized Toole, who lived with his mother (and terrorized her), and couldn't get past a goodbye kiss on his dates with women. He might've been a major closet case, considering his treatment of gays in "Confederacy of Dunces" set in New Orleans.
Dec 1 - 12PM (Reply to #16)
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ShaynasMommy

You are right... I can't think of a worse time to be alone... thank you... for your point of view..
Dec 1 - 12PM
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I don't know . . .

Would you envy a bank robber the sudden influx of cash they get to spend? Or the pedophile who gets to work in a day care? People getting what they want for at the expense of others are the most foul disgusting creatures on the planet. It's all in how you look at it. There's actually MORE truth in looking at it this way.
Dec 2 - 7PM (Reply to #14)
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Brie...

In my situation, I might not envy the bank robber but I might consider dating him...hehehehe
Dec 1 - 1PM (Reply to #7)
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Briseis

"Would you envy a bank robber the sudden influx of cash they get to spend? Or the pedophile who gets to work in a day care?" I cried my eyes out after reading this.. NO not b/c you said something to upset me.. BUT b/c you are right.they need to be put in the category of sick poeple like you mentioned above.. AND sometimes I think I put him in the "noremal" category.. And think he is just being Rico Suave and is just great with the ladies.. but it is so much more than that. it is a sickness.. and i don't know, I am probably pmsing.. I want everyone to know... I want everyone to just know... He has been invited to a party once again where I will be.. AND he has not responded and I know he will not go... He avoids me like the plague.. B/c i called him out on his voo doo lie... or whatever he thinks.. and I have never been avoided before and it hurts me actually.. AND I did NOTHING but treat him like gold... I don't even know how to put it into words.what i feel today... but I know you all know.. what i mean.. thanks.
Dec 2 - 7PM (Reply to #13)
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Chickon

Chin up... He's not Rico Suave El esta Socio Suave...LMAO!
Dec 1 - 1PM (Reply to #11)
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Chickie

You GOT what I meant to say hon ((((hugs)))) Getting laid for the wrong reasons is not lovemaking. It's actually kind of disgusting. I'm glad for you that he avoids you like plague. Here's another more "helpful" way for you to relate to this. You smacked him down and he FELT it. He felt some largish amount of humiliation. You blew his covers. He FRAID of you girl :D You bomb ass witchy woman you.
Dec 2 - 11AM (Reply to #12)
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Briseis

"You smacked him down and he FELT it. He felt some largish amount of humiliation. You blew his covers. He FRAID of you girl :D You bomb ass witchy woman you." This bom ass witchy woman thanks you for being a blessing to her today... thank you...
Dec 1 - 1PM (Reply to #8)
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chickon

want everyone to know... I want everyone to just know... and we do know, and we do understand, i see mine as a "STUD", but realy he is a fucked up sex addict, and that in my eyes just makes him a male whore, but that doesnt mean i dont know how it hurts and ok say he doesnt go to the party, its not cos he is ignoring you, he is protecting himself against any come backs, in that ,in my day i acted up[b/f i dropped him] and he would be the one to leave... he is not ignoring you he ,as always is covering his own back.
Dec 1 - 1PM (Reply to #9)
chickon2
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used... omg

You are right again.. DUH they only think about themselves.. even though he asks people, if I am going to be at the party... It's really only b/c of him..... yeah a sex addict..... The EX n too.. I have to say I am happy that the "persona" he took on with me was one of such "respect" in the bedroom.. Even if it was all a lie, at least i am glad that it was that lie, and not something nasty..... so weird to think like that...
Dec 1 - 1PM (Reply to #10)
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chickon

Even if it was all a lie, at least i am glad that it was that lie, and not something nasty..... so weird to think like that... even if it was ,think of it as a good lie, tho i never done anything with narc i know that in someways he treated me with respect ,it didnt feel like it at the time, but now i know how he treated the ow,s, i think omg. but, big but, i am not congratulating him for it..he knew i had bounderies and he knew he would be gone... if you could always keep in mind its always about him,always, it will help you get more of a picture..
Dec 1 - 12PM
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chickon

having your arms folded is a sign of trying to protect your self from pain and keep the other person at a distance.. well she is seeing the writing on the wall.. i know it hurts, but try to be glad you dont have to listen to his "old bollocks" any more