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#1 Nov 10 - 10AM
swallowedcanary
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Hi Everyone,
I'm new to the site and wanted to share my story with everyone and maybe give and receive some advice of my own. I've been married for 26 years and had to "disconnect" myself from my husband in order to reach the point of filing for divorce. I caught him with another woman several weeks back, he continued calling me at all hours of the morning indicating he wanted to work things out. I caught him with this same woman a week later although he was telling me something different.

I'm trying to be as cordial as possible throughout the divorce. He makes five times the amount of money that I make. Our youngest child is 18 and a senior in high school. I spoke with an attorney yesterday and he said I could go for child support until my child finishes college. I'm terrified of what he may do if I tried to go for alimony or all the equity in the house.

Could someone please share their experience in dealing with a narcissist throughout the divorce proceedings? Should I do as little as possible when it comes to upsetting him and not go after alimony? He didn't even want to involve an attorney and I told him I was using one. I want everything documented and legal.

I don't think he intends to hire his own attorney. Of course, if I asked for alimony he may.

Nov 14 - 12PM
agnesmurphy17
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Divorcing a Narcissist

Mine said he wanted us to agree & then go to a local attorney up the street to write the agreement. That was cheaper & easier. Basically, cheaper (money is important to Ns) & agree--means he controls you & what you get, that is, he will take care of number one--himself. In the end, my N hired a PIT BULL qua SHARK attorney when he realized that I was not going to do it his way. Forget what he want wants. Rule Number One for you: No more being nice & polite, forget what he wants & do not be intimidated. Two: No more contact. Do not discuss anything divorce related with him, it will come back to haunt you. He talks to your lawyer about everything. Three: If you are on the deed, you are entitled to your equity. And, depending on the laws in your state, alimony &/or child support. Get what you can under the law & get more if possible. And, that's right, after a long marriage he may even have to pay for your lawyer. Five: DOn't even think of going back. He may want to reconcile because a divorce is too expensive & will disrupt his comfortable lifestyle. He will never change. Six: Move on ASAP. Good Luck! Oh, and I did not do too well in my divorce . . . but not too badly. I decided I did not want a protracted & expensive legal battle. No children. I lost everything I earned for 2 1/2 years which I invested into the house for renovations & upkeep. There was a market crash, so I took a slight discount on what I invested as a down payment. Other women get totally robbed & lose everything. I consider myself lucky. But you have a child & a longstanding marriage. He sells you short . . . & has you downtodden . . . no more. Stand up for yourself & get what is yours. But, no contact whatsoever . . . he will bully you & intimidate you & threaten you. Keep a record of every interaction, every e-mail, every letter. Do not respond. Give him nothing to use against you. And get a good therapist & have only supportive people on your side. Exercise, eat well & sleep. You go get your money girl!!! And it is your money. You were his wife for how long? More than 2 decades. Don't sell your self as short as he does.
Nov 11 - 2PM
freeat50
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divorcing a narcissist

Educate yourself to state laws on divorce and property division.There are websites which tell you what the laws are in your state. Buy a journal and keep notes of any and every remark and incident that occurs pertaining to divorce. Do not expect that your attorney or his has any interest in drawing this to a close quickly, they are in it for the fees. Do not hesitate to fire your attorney if your gut indicates things are not right. Ask for any and everything you can. You certainly won't get it otherwise.You are probably entitled to more than 50 percent based on the length of your marriage and the disparity in earning potential. You may even be able to get an allowance for educational expenses since he is so interested in you getting a better job. It took a year for me to get my divorce and six months after he was still fighting to keep from agreeing on the final decree. During that 18 month period he cleaned out all of our assets except for the one account my second attorney had frozen. The judge pretty much awarded me everything I asked for. Of course it was all gone at that point but it was validation that the judge believed me and not him.
Nov 11 - 2PM (Reply to #10)
quietude (not verified)
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freeat50

Really great advice! I really do think you have to be your own best advocate and have the same expectations for your attorney. If they're not on board, cya later! I really do think many times a judge will see through all the B.S. This happened with my first divorce too, and my ex got caught in a lie...didn't set well with the judge!
Nov 11 - 1PM
AnotherPath
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My exN said he didn't want a

My exN said he didn't want a lawyer. He said all sorts of stuff about living near me and sharing child duties and how he wanted to pay for the kids plus holidays. He said lots of very amicable stuff. He wrote "friendly **him** could live round the corner to friendly **me**) In REALITY he was TRUE NARCISSIST got an aggressive barrister, tried getting me, two little children 2 and 4 out of the house to be sold. A house that I paid for and he was only in a year but joint mortgaged, he had my car stolen, hasn't paid maintenance for nearly 2 years although he has a great job. The vile lies that came from his end and the abuse to me and my lawyer from his end, shocked me so much. I was way too soft, had no idea that he would get like this. I can assure you he is going to be the most vindictive, vile, lying, stingy, mean abusive shite on earth. I thought he was terrible when I was with him (and he was convicted of assault) but I had absolutely NO idea what was in store for me over the next 2 years trying to separate. I'm still trying to separate from him. This is when they enjoy getting into their narcissist psycho heads....... they enjoy the fight to try and destroy you and don't stop in their sick game. Mine too told me to get a different job. I love being a musician which he was/is so envious of (I didn't realise this at the time) and I've still managed the two little children for 2 years without his maintenance. Please do not underestimate what he is going to put you through........... get a hard as nails lawyer, fight fire with fire, do not give him anything, coz guess what he'll take you for what you have and probably move in with the OW with your money.

Ending the dance

Nov 10 - 5PM
Chloe
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I divorced a Narcissist who too was extremely successful and...

PLEASE LISTEN!!! GET A VERY GOOD ATTORNEY, no matter what it costs. You can pay for it with your alimony. You have half of the equity of the house and 1/2 of the assets, and if your attorney is real slick, your husband may even have to pay your attorney fees. If you play your cards right, and you better for your future and your children's, not only will you have child support for one year, but you will have ALIMONY; 33 1/3% of his earnings. With 26 years of marriage, there isn't a judge in the world who would not let that go through. I know what I am talking about. I went through a very nasty divorce (that is why you need the best attorney). Do your homework!!!! If you don't do what I am telling you, it will be your fault. It doesn't matter what your husband thinks/feels, this is your life!!! Your future!!!!!!!! and make sure to tell your attorney about Narcissism and then learn all you can about the narcissist in the courtroom.
Nov 11 - 10AM (Reply to #7)
Chloe
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ALSO...

Get all the financial information you can about your finances and his. Make sure you don't miss a thing. You need to be your own investigator. Keep everything in a safe place. Your attorney is going to need to know everything. Also, make sure you put down (when the time comes) all you do for yourself and child/children or will have to do, ie: possible daycare costs,hairdresser expenses, clothes for you and your child/children, cleaners, everything you can think of for your own expenses. Do your homework! And don't be lazy!!! This is for the best interest to your future and your child's/children's, and just remember, after you, there will be someone else reaping the benefits---don't leave your portion to the "other woman."
Nov 10 - 11AM
Barbara (not verified)
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welcome swallowedcanary

Welcome... - Get yourself Lisa's book (link at right) and read it! - PLEASE PLEASE go through ALL the pages on 'Message Board' as I have loaded it with articles and your questions have probably already been asked and answered many many times. Click through the pages and read what interests you. You'll get up to speed and learn a LOT. There's loads on the MESSAGE BOARD about divorcing these creeps. PLEASE scroll around ALL the pages and read what interests you. - Please read through our whole blog: http://allabouthim.com - chock full of articles about Ns and healing and stuff there for divorcing them as well - PLEASE read the forum posting rules as well. - listen to our free radio show - archived at: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/allabouthim ~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Abuse Information Site Online Coaching & Help
Nov 10 - 12PM (Reply to #2)
itreallyisabouthim
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Hi I'm really sorry you're

Hi I'm really sorry you're going through this. Take heart that your youngest is 18 so you won't have all the custody stuff to deal with. That can be the most emotionally exhausting and expensive part of divorce proceedings. The book Barbara recommends called "Splitting, How to Protect Yourself When Divorcing a Borderline or Narcissist" is a good read. What that book outlines and what my experience has been so far is that it really won't matter much if you ask for a little or a lot. It will be full on war anyway, so ask for what you need for yourself and your child. Protect yourself at every step of the way, expect the absolute worst, most heinous reaction possible from him, and don't ever harbor fantasies of reasonable communication post-divorce. Plan for the opposite. You have seen his true colors, he knows it, and he will now try to destroy you. Interpret everything he does, whether "nice" or not, as some attempt to do that. Sorry. How in the world did you co parent for so long with an N? What was that like? I know in my marriage, even when things were "good" it was truly awful and not a partnership. I am in the process of divorcing my N after a short (4 year) marriage. It has been hell so far. Our children are very young. We are probably headed to court and I am preparing for the worst but trying to hope for the best. Document everything. Ask for what you are entitled to and not a cent less. Don't let him intimidate you. Make sure your lawyer understands that you are feeling hesitant because you are afraid of his reaction. Have a really, really, tough lawyer. I had a fantasy in the beginning that we could share a lawyer. It seems laughable now.
Nov 10 - 12PM (Reply to #5)
swallowedcanary
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It's been really tough

It hasn't been easy living with him all these years but we married so young I didn't know any better. I did at some point realize he had a personality disorder but had not put a name on it at that point. You are doing the right thing by getting out now. My oldest child is much like his dad and it breaks my heart. I THOUGHT I was doing what was best for them. I felt they needed a father. My life has been an emotional rollercoaster. I don't feel good about the lawyer I saw yesterday so made an appointment with another for tomorrow. I don't feel like I should have to work two jobs to make ends meet when I've had his income to rely on all these years. He has been suggesting I get a part time job or look for a job that pays more. I enjoy my work and that has been the only enjoyment I've had for awhile.
Nov 10 - 12PM (Reply to #3)
4joys4
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Go for all you're entitled

Go for all you're entitled to.
Nov 10 - 1PM (Reply to #4)
itreallyisabouthim
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That's right. You can now

That's right. You can now go out and craft yourself a life that you enjoy. Good for you. Get a lawyer used to doing battle. You can always have them put away their full warrior regalia if it turns out not to be necessary. Don't be nice to him. Take everything you can. I can't believe I am writing this because I never would have thought that would be the "right" thing to do. But he will make you feel like you are bleeding him dry when you are just getting what is yours. So you need a strong backbone. Just look at it as the dissolution of a business that has been around for 26 years. If you take the all business approach, you are less likely to look back later and feel enraged because you were too nice and got taken by him. I have heard that story too many times. After 26 years you are nearly certainly entitled to some spousal support and half the marital property.