Struggling with NC? Don't believe he's a narc? PLEASE READ THIS!!!

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#1 Nov 14 - 9AM
Kiwi2005
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Struggling with NC? Don't believe he's a narc? PLEASE READ THIS!!!

Here's an email from narc's dad that I received. I've altered names etc, but this is the actual email. Coming from someone that has dealt with the narc for 24 years... Dad's probably a narc, but doesn't mean we can't learn from what he says: : :

""This may sound cold, but it deserves to be said: You really need to let go because narc will only break your heart again and again. We know. And you should be starting to prepare yourself for the inevitable: there is no way that narc is going to stop his current behavior until either he gets caught and is sent back to jail, or (a terrible thought) he screws the wrong person and just disappears. Do not think me a bad person for being the one to actually say this. It's simply a fact -- and, it is something that was stated to us directly by his psychiatrist at XYZ Psych where he was sent as part of one of his earlier legal committals.

We live every day with the fear of what is ultimately going to happen to narc. I can't tell you not to care. That's pointless. Still, he is not your stone to bear around your neck for life. You need to accept that. You also need to accept that there is not now, and never will be, a single thing you can do to change narc. Again, we know.

What I can tell you is that there is only one thing to help: When you listen to narc, believe what you see with your eyes and believe in your own common sense. That will tell you all you need to know. Sometimes his lies are big, and sometimes they are small; but big or small, they are never very well crafted. Narc has a very high opinion of his own intelligence and a very low opinion of the intelligence of others, and it seems sometimes that it is almost a game with him to see just how stupid a story he can actually get people to believe.

In reality, narc is very stupid and he always gets caught. This time will be no different. Then he'll call crying and saying anything that he thinks a person wants to hear in order to help him get out of whatever jam in which he ends up. You need to be prepared for that. And remember that it will not be his fault. Never. He will never have done any of the things that will get him jammed up. Or so he will say with every breath and ounce of conviction he can muster.""

Hope you enjoyed reading this! I sure did & everytime I've had to ignore a text (which I haven't gotten any in 4 days) but when I had to days before that, I'd read this email- especially the paragraph I pointed out :)

Nov 15 - 4AM
Syren66 (not verified)
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Do you get the feeling the

Do you get the feeling the text of that email is saved in a Word document on the dad's hard drive and has been sent more than one person? I do. I have mixed emotions about that whole thing. I don't think it's anyone's responsibility to become involved in another adult's relationship without the request of one of the affected parties. Sounds like dad spends a little too much time running around cleaning up after his child...still. If the email helped you and you gain something good from it, that's a good thing...but I personally find it very disloyal what he just did. If it were me, I'd be writing back to him asking why he feels it necessary to run around undermining his kid's life. It feels to me like dad is trying to absolve himself of parenting mistakes by throwing his adult child under a bus.
Nov 15 - 12PM (Reply to #34)
Hunter
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Syren/kiwi

I get the feeling this man has a heart and understands his son's trouble.. It sounds like this man has done everything to help his son and as you know a Narcissist has no treatment!! It's his SON .. Unlike a dog or a cop boyfriend you can't give him back.. Kiwi.. Stay away from this guy .. Like his dad said he's hopeless.. Hunter
Nov 15 - 9AM (Reply to #29)
Kiwi2005
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Syren66

No because narcs situation right now is different than it ever has been. Yes, he's been in trouble before, but not the exact same situation. I emailed the Dad asking if they had heard from their son. His Dad has never gotten involved in anything having to do with his son, unless he's been pulled into it. Parenting skills and childhood trauma has a lot to do with a narcissitic personality disordered child- yes- he's not cleaning up after him, in any means. As parents, I know for a fact, they're fed up of having to "fix" the girls their son screws with. There's been many before me and there will be many after me. It helped a lot... no narc is ever an adult. If you take a good close look at their lives, we, the girlfriends/boyfriends, fiances, wives/husbands, have been their "parents" without us and our supply they couldn't make it through their days. If I had a narc brother, sister, friend, parent, child- and I could "save" someone. I would. Just as his dad has.
Nov 15 - 9AM (Reply to #30)
Susan32
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Being a surrogate parent

That's why I wasn't angry at the ex-Psych's girlfriend. The ex-P and I never had a dating/romantic/sexual relationship... fortunately. I think there would have been a REAL rivalry and REAL anger on my part if the sexual element were added. The ex-P's girlfriend didn't replace me. Who knows... she might have been as much a Narc as him. I don't know, don't care. I think the ex-P's PARENTS replaced me, not the girlfriend. I had very much acted in a parental role. I would constantly discuss right&wrong with the ex-P... and he was 15 years my senior. I felt like I was dealing with kids throughout the day- the kids at the local elementary school, and then the ex-P. After the ex-P's girlfriend gave birth to twins (a son and a daughter),his parents moved in with him to raise his kids. They trekked all the way from Massachusetts to New Mexico. His parents have moved in with him for good. The ex-P would compare himself to Ignatius Reilly in "Confederacy of Dunces",whose mother cares for him and whom he terrorizes. His parents were all the way back in New England at the time... so at the time it didn't make sense. I don't worry about the ex-P... his parents are living with him. Nothing I need to do, thank God! He's their problem, not mine.
Nov 15 - 9AM (Reply to #31)
Kiwi2005
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Susan

Perfect example of them not being adults... his parents moved in with him to help take care of the kids? They were probably scared that the kids wouldn't last more than a day :) haha.
Nov 15 - 10AM (Reply to #32)
Susan32
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It gets better(??)

The ex-Psych idolized his father (oddly, there is no physical resemblance, why not a Maury Povich appearance?), the only person he respected, called by his first name. The ex-P didn't have the usual Mommy enmeshment;he had cut the apron strings. He was, however, in "My Heart Belongs to Daddy" mode. He hangs out with his Daddy and his Daddy's colleagues. If I did the same thing, it would be awkward. My father is in oceanography;it isn't my thing. I am not scientifically adept. I'd find it odd to spend my time with him&his colleagues at the university. But that's what the ex-P does. Tag along with Daddy. He's the same age, mentally, as my 2 year old nephew who is excited when my brother in-law comes home. Interestingly, my parents said that if my sister had twins, they would've moved to Massachusetts (yes, my sis, brother in-law and nephew live there, not a typo) to HELP OUT. But they wouldn't move in to raise the kids for them. My parents help out. They're not going to New England to act as parents. There was one poster here who once said that as a mother, she wouldn't have her in-laws raise her kids. She would be equally hands-on, because they're her kids. The ex-P was into Russian literature, especially Leo Tolstoy. In Russia, it's traditional for grandparents to raise their grandchildren to the age of 10-or even longer. Leo Tolstoy was raised by his grandparents-but that's because his mother died when he was 2, and his father when he was 9. He was orphaned. Of course his grandparents raised him. The ex-P identified with Prince Andrei Bolkonsky in "War and Peace." Andrei is a cerebral Narc. He fears physical affection (even from other men-he flees Pierre's outstretched hand) He emotionally abuses his pregnant wife Princess Lisa, then abandons her to go to war. While his wife is still expectant, Andrei tells his father Nicholas to raise his son, if his wife gives birth to a son. Andrei doesn't want his wife to have a hand in raising his son. Conveniently, Lisa dies in childbirth as a result of Andrei's mistreatment. There's a telling scene when Andrei's son Nicholas is seriously ill. Andrei's sister, Mary, ends up taking care of the sickly baby boy. Andrei is MORE upset that the diplomat Bilibin ridicules him in a snarky letter. The ex-P regarded babies with pity&disgust. And here's a passage from his favorite novel- "How sweet!" said Countess Mary, looking at and playing with the baby. "Now, Nicholas (Rostov)",she added turning to her husband. "I can't understand how it is you can't see the charm of these delicious marvels." "I don't and I can't",replied Nicholas, looking coldly at the baby."A lump of flesh. Come along Pierre!" "And yet he's such an affectionate father",said Countess Mary, vindicating her husband."But only after they are a year old or so!"
Nov 15 - 10AM (Reply to #33)
Kiwi2005
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Susan

The strangest thing!!! Narc would talk about his Dad (bad mouthing him) one day and then the next day, I'd ask so how's your Dad!?! And I'd get "You know there's a lot of shit about that man, that you don't know, and that I don't care to get into detail with." Basically when him and his dad were on "good terms" or his dad was giving him money or supply- he liked him. If they weren't on good terms or his parents threw him out because they couldn't handle his behavior- he hated them. Hmmm how narcy!!! I don't know why but this whole story makes me laugh.
Nov 14 - 9PM
Tiffany30
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This reminded me of when the

This reminded me of when the narc left me last year. His mother (my ex mother-in-law) spoke to me on the phone and told me I am so much better off without her son in my life! She went through the same thing with the narcs father whom left her for six months when the narc was a boy. She said that if she could do it all over again she would have left, she is now in her 50s.
Nov 15 - 9AM (Reply to #27)
Kiwi2005
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Tiffanay30

They know better than we do, they have dealt with them since they were kids! It's sad, when parents can honestly say they're that fed up with their own children! We're lucky to have had them tell us something, rather than us continue to think we're the crazy ones!!!
Nov 14 - 3PM
needing2know
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Dads not a Narc, but he sure

Dads not a Narc, but he sure as hell is telling you to open your eyes and get the hell away from his son! Take it to heart and run like hell and never look back! I have a brother like this and I can tell you , your better off staying as far away as you can! Never, never answer calls or texts from him! Keep safe and always pay attention to your surroundings!
Nov 14 - 3PM (Reply to #11)
Kiwi2005
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needing2know

Indeed! Shortly after this email I got one that said DO NOT answer any of his calls or texts, something is up, and someone is about to get screwed big time. For now he's leaving me alone- a few days in a row- amazing actually! :)
Nov 14 - 3PM (Reply to #12)
needing2know
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my brother would go silent,

my brother would go silent, then strike like a sick cobra! Don't let your guard down and listen to what your being told. Everytime my brother came around after a few days or weeks, he was even worse because he didn't get a rise out of the people he tried to hurt.
Nov 14 - 3PM (Reply to #13)
Kiwi2005
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needing2know

Great! It's been 4 days, not a word from him, and I was getting excited because he doesn't typically give up that quickly you know? But damnit! Hopefully a snake killer gets to his ass before he gets to me :) The longest has been 3 weeks! Perhaps he can beat his own record- I'd like that :) Thanks!!
Nov 14 - 3PM (Reply to #14)
needing2know
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the longest my brother stayed

the longest my brother stayed away was 6 months!, Just stay alert! What I learned from my brother is that NC ment I WILL NOT BE IGNORED AND I WILL MAKE YOU REGRET IT! I finally had to tell him if he didn't respect my wishes and stay gone I would have him locked up everytime he showed up!
Nov 14 - 4PM (Reply to #15)
Kiwi2005
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needing2know

Ohh last Thursday when I had to tell him to get out my car, he wouldnt, I pulled out my phone & dialed 9-1-1 he said to be "hit send" talk about scary and crazy!!! Then he grabbed it & I got my mace out & kindly said get the f- out! He did then :)
Nov 14 - 4PM (Reply to #16)
needing2know
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my brother did that to his ex

my brother did that to his ex girlfriend and when she finally got him out of the car he beat the shit out of her and the guys in the store had to call an ambulance! they can be very violent when they don't get their way, be careful and NEVER underestimate them!
Nov 14 - 4PM (Reply to #17)
needing2know
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And it took 8 cops and a

And it took 8 cops and a taser to take him down!
Nov 14 - 9PM (Reply to #18)
Kiwi2005
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needing2know

Fortunately, this one is scared of going back to jail/prison, but doing every dumb thing to get back to that point. Again, been out of it, but this all makes me realize I can't get that strong & think it's over... it's never over right!?!?!
Nov 14 - 9PM (Reply to #19)
needing2know
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It may be over to you, but to

It may be over to you, but to then it is NEVER over, my brother and his ex split up over 16 yrs ago and he still harasses her and she is happily married.
Nov 14 - 9PM (Reply to #20)
Gravity
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The one thing I don't get

The one thing I don't get is.. I know they come back.. they ALWAYS do. But why do they sometimes tell you to "move on" at the D&D? When mine said this I was SHOCKED because I always thought he wanted me to be stuck on him forever..
Nov 14 - 9PM (Reply to #25)
needing2know
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Gravity

mine told me sorry while hugging me and told me we will talk and if i wanted to move on he wouldn't hold me back!
Nov 14 - 9PM (Reply to #21)
needing2know
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i think they just want you to

i think they just want you to move on and be happy so they have something else to destroy! My brother doesn't care that shes married, and he always tells he how happy he is for her, but will turn around in the same breath and tell her he doesn't want her with her husband and it could have been him(brother) she tells him it would have never been him , he plays with her mind so much, that's why I have NC with him and I won't put up with it, but my ex played some really bad mind games with me and to me my Narc brother doesn't seem as bad as my ex, I could walk away from my brother no problem , but my ex still has some kinds mental hold on me and I am almost 4 months out. Yhe games these people play with our minds is unreal!
Nov 14 - 9PM (Reply to #22)
Kiwi2005
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needing2know & Gravity

Well it's sure as hell over to me and hopefully it will be for him soon enough (jail). It's amazing they things they say, I'm telling you, there's got to be a NPD Instructional Manual out there!!! Fortunately for us, we're learning about the games they play. And while we may not be able to play the same games with them, at least we know what they're doing. Lets admit it, they look pretty damn stupid & it's comedic. The baby I miss you, Baby I love you, those are "chain text messages" that they send out!
Nov 14 - 9PM (Reply to #23)
needing2know
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hmmmm gave me an idea lol

hmmmm gave me an idea lol ganna google NPD for dummies lol they have those boos for everything else , lets see what i can find lmao!
Nov 14 - 9PM (Reply to #24)
Kiwi2005
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NPD for Dummies

Wouldn't that be the book that we write?!?! haha. Let me know what you find! It was fun talking about this email all day today :) I'll probably post something in the morning. Ahhh a narc free day :) Xoxox
Nov 14 - 1PM
uk lady
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Be thankful

That his father has the heart to tell you all you really need to know. Now run away as quickly as you are able to. You don't need, or want, much more evidence than that. Dee x
Nov 14 - 1PM (Reply to #7)
Kiwi2005
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Damn right about not wanting

Damn right about not wanting any more evidence! I got more than enough in a matter of 2 days. I used to miss not talking to him, and it used to literally hurt to ignore now (because I can save him). Not anymore!!! It's soo easy! Nothing in this world is ever worth that kind of crazy.
Nov 14 - 1PM (Reply to #8)
uk lady
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Absolutely Kiwi

You've heard it from the master's mouth. And not, I might add, an easy thing for a parent to do against their son. It's gospel. So, run away and hide if need be. Sending you lots of strength to get through it. Dee x
Nov 14 - 1PM (Reply to #9)
Kiwi2005
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Thanks Dee, Fortunately I

Thanks Dee, Fortunately I don't need to hide. He never met my parents, friends, co-workers. Nothing. He doesn't know where I live, though he could find out... I'm very fortunate & blessed. Thanks for all the strength!
Nov 14 - 10AM
ReclaimingPower
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:)

I LOVE THIS! THANK YOU!