Soul Mates

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#1 Jul 21 - 9PM
NancyM
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Soul Mates

Every body here agrees that we each thought we had found our soul mate...perhaps we did, but not in the way we thought about soul mates.

We think of a soul mate as someone that is the other half of us, someone that completes us.

Perhaps that is why we ended up with these types of people. We need to learn as souls that there in no other half out there. Everything we need is already within us. It is not until we are staring into the abyss, into the dark night of the soul, that we have to make a choice. Either we turn back and face ourselves, our god....or die.

How many that have made progress through there healing can honestly say that they would not have known themselves this well if this had never happened to them?

Just some thoughts on the spiritual level of all this.

Oct 7 - 9PM
tigger73
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Except for producing

Except for producing children and dragging them thru the mire......I wouldn't change the last 10 yrs. I don't mean I regret my children......that's not what I mean.....I just wouldn't have chosen this idiot to be any child's father.... Maybe he could not have hit so hard, or twisted my finger to where there is a knot on it forever that is ugly.....BUT BUT BUT.......I would go thru it all again to be where I am today. Life has a funny way of turning out. I am different. I am SOOOOO much smarter, I am a better mother and can educate and warn my children. I can feel people's energy now. My intuition is so strong and usually ALWAYS right. Being with a narc for so long, you got very good at reading and anticipating and gauging.......I like the new me very much. I am an authentic being, I was pretending before, and he grew to hate everything about me. Every little endearing thing he 'fell in love with me over', in the end, he hated. A true hate. He helped me find my soul. In the depths of despair, in the late hours of the night after a horrible fight, every holiday that ended in narc rages...... I have none of that. I like this quote......."Of all the happiness that man can gain, it's not from pleasure but rest from pain". Narcs live off of pleasure.....seeking pleasure. I'll take my rest from pain any day. Love to you all.
Oct 7 - 10PM (Reply to #21)
NancyM
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Children

I had a child with my first dipshit sociopath, and while I thought it was the wrong decision, i would never change a minute for what I have now. She has grown into a beautiful young lady, and we came through the last of this storm together. Many times I believe she saved my life, because I always found the strength to go on, for her. She became a mother herself 4 months ago, and the message to me was that life goes on. She is so much wiser than I was at the same age, because of the hell she watched me go through. She can also spot a disordered one at about a hundred paces, so it was never all for nothing.

Nevergoback

Oct 7 - 8PM
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I still feel...

Like I loved him more than anything or anyone. Yet, I can't tell you why and I know it comes from the "young" place in me.
Oct 7 - 8PM (Reply to #18)
moonshine
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me too

me too....but I am afraid that i was in love with a illusion and it hurts to grieve an illusion. I invested my money, time, body, mind and soul in him.
Oct 7 - 8PM (Reply to #19)
Briseis
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The whole point of this

The whole point of this thread is that what you invested in him was not pissed away. The road to peace and fulfillment is not just some downhill rosy path. And anyone who tells you it is is trying to sell you something. No belief system we've dreamt up across written or oral history describes the path to personal happiness as "easy". It is always a path of sacrifice, hard choices, painful self-honesty and a lot of other crappy shit. Apparently, we're in a group of people LUCKY enough that the Narc is the worst thing that ever happened to us.
Oct 7 - 8PM
Briseis
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Absolute wow. Brings new

Absolute wow. Brings new meaning to the term "soul mate". Blessing in disguise? Sheep in wolf's clothing? The silver lining? Better be careful what you ask for lol. Who ever said a soul mate was an all positive happily ever after thing anyway? When I was much younger, I expected that if I did all the "right" things, my life would be good and easy and I'd have that perfect love that seemed so obvious on TV and the commercials. What a shock, that live is actually so much less boring than all that. So in my thirties I buried my head in the sand and just pretended if I pretended hard enough, I could MAKE reality into what I wanted it to be. Burying your head in the sand exposes your ass, and mine took a serious whacking. My suffering in the Narc relationship was 99.9% about me wanting him to be different than he was. I made my last (thank GOD) best effort to force reality into what I wanted it to be. I was utterly defeated, and for the first time in my life . . . I knew it. I gave up. It was like surrendering to God, or like the AA 12 Step folks who surrender to their Higher Power. Reality was my Higher Power. I could not wish it or force it to accomodate my little needs and desires. That left me having the choice to proceed forward as I was, and continuing to experience that old familiar misery, or, proceed forward into a scary unknown where I was not the center of the Universe, but just a bit player. I was more tired of the misery than I was scared, I guess. Reality DOES bite (y'all are probably too young to remember that movie). It is harsh as long as you forget your place. We have lessons to learn as souls or beings or Whatever that involve pain and loss and surrender. There's no other way to learn the most important lessons of life but through trial and pain. You can go one of two ways, at this point: Decide that Life sucks because you can't just have what you want when you want it, or try and figure out what Life wants out of YOU. It wants something. Discovering that is . . . very surprising LOL! And worth every minute :)
Oct 7 - 7PM
moonshine
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Soul mates

My experience with the Narc has definitely brought out the worst to question the direction and other issues of my life. He most definitely felt like a soul mate. He was what all I wanted. He did everything with me. We talked countless number of hours. Sure it felt very good. I thought those were the best times in my life. It was dream come true..but know what... deep down i know it was LIE. My theory is that it felt good because of his mirroring of me...my mind. Added to that i am a very imaginative person...very visual..i know i like to live in fantasy to keep myself entertained ..my line of work deals more with fantasy. I am hopeless romantic too. This added to the combination..it was like heaven. it felt like what i was dreaming for all my life has finally come along. But it was my OWN MIND that i was in love with. He was an image. ...just an image. the combination just worked..but its only AN IMAGE that i was in love with. It felt good because it was my own mind that i was feeling close to while he acted it out perfect to keep me in. I dont know if there are soulmates....but i know there are good people around....i would always remember anyone who would help me....in that case they all are my soulmates..who are helping me in my inner journey. As you have written...everything we need is already there...and what needs to come to us will come to us too when the time comes. I would like to leave you with a quote Carl jung wrote- "Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes". I have been dreaming all the while... Thanks for sharing your introspection.
Oct 7 - 9PM (Reply to #13)
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Moonshine

I understand exactly what you're saying. I've wondered if we just didn't finally think we had found our prince like we've been programmed to believe existed since we were 2. This mirroring of ourselves, didn't it feel like someone finally appreciated the real you? That is what I'm thinking. Because isn't that all we ever really wanted is someone to appreciate us at that level? I wonder if I got my fairy tale for a number of years until I had to pay the price for thinking I could have this for always. It was just an act of pretend afterall, it was a fairy tale because it wasn't real. Just what I'm thinking these days. And now I have to decide whether it was worth it or not.

almostlydia

Oct 7 - 10PM (Reply to #14)
moonshine
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almostlydia

Yes, it feels almost prefect that it is false. Added to that he says that he never loved me. He had sex with me with NO love. He says he did not feel guilty to masturbate(i found the OW pictures along with the porn sites when he went went missing with his laptop into the bathroom) while i was just in the other room. he says he can do what ever he want. So..I feel these days that it was all false....may be the good times are also false since there was no basis for the good times. He never felt that way but behaved as a boyfriend...so is that all false what i felt? its very confusing. When i was with him(i was not able to get out then) even after knowing that he will not have a relationship with me..i still enjoyed the good times...i desperately wanted it...but at the same time in my mind i knew i have to get out one day and its all a LIE cos there is no basis for the relationship. I could not enjoy...i felt he was throwing me the drug then and there to stop me from getting out. This guy never hugged me. He will not kiss me out side the bed room(i cry when ever i think about it). Never held my hand. he will act as if i am a room mate rest of the time. but when i said i am leaving he started hugging me. i always liked fairy tales while growing up. I truly believed it all will come true some day (so naive of me). I thought it did. He was very close to me..i have never felt close to anyone like that. I bared my soul with no barriers only to him...because he made me comfortable. Past two months i felt i need to hold on to the good times...some how....write about it or do art ...or what ever....but now i feel its false.. Since there was no love ...no basis for the relationship...are the good times true or not??
Oct 7 - 10PM (Reply to #15)
NancyM
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Good times

The good times are only there to keep you under the spell, keep you hooked. If a Narc was an ASS all the time, we would all hit the deck running a lot sooner. A Narc wants you around to SERVE a purpose. You have been put on this earth to SERVE them, in their eyes. Takes time to get your head around, but keep reading.

Nevergoback

Jul 21 - 11PM
broken23
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I love eat pray and love.

I love eat pray and love. Funny i wrote that passage to my Narc...and asked him what he thought. But back then i still believed in my definition of soulmate (hopeless romantic what can i say) But i too agree with you Nancy, this experience has really taught me that I have only myself to count on, other than that i have my spirituality (praying for hope and guidance and strength). Whats that saying...you come into this world alone and you leave alone... I know I have learned a lot about myself though him, what i want, what i dont want, who i am, whats important to me. So that is great. I am a lot wiser. But I am saddened that he broke that innocent girl inside me that believed in all that soulmate and fairytale ending. What a nightmare. A regular wake up call/break up would have been just fine.
Jul 21 - 9PM
Kelly
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Regarding soul mates

There is a great section in Eat, Pray, Love when she describes soul mates as meeting your mirror - correct me if I mess this up because it's been a while since I have read it, but here goes . . Basically, the soul mate is the one who instigates your life change - once he or she has served his purpose, he is meant to leave your life. If he remains, he will only make you miserable and stop your progress. You see through him yourself - the way the narcissist mirrors you in a way during the seduction - and you "mirror him" he love the admiration and attention he gets back - you are his ideal mate. I know that after my last narc left, and I began the healing, I learned all about myself - what he was mirroring what he was showing me. He saw my needs and my dreams - all of my weakness - and he used them to hook me. Now I know more about myself then I have ever been able to recognize and I know I have emotionally matured. I'm moving on to the next phase of my life! Career wise I'm taking charge and becoming more aggressive, I'm more empathic and understanding, more patient, more calm . . . I need to learn how to trust men again, but at the very least, I know what to look out for and how to stand up for myself. I believe my last ex N was my "soul mate"in Elizabeth's definition . . . I don't believe that anyone else can complete you. Only compliment you - as often as possible ;)
Jul 21 - 9PM (Reply to #10)
Bodhi
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LOLOLOLOL

Great minds think alike! :)
Jul 21 - 9PM
Bodhi
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So Funny...

So funny... I was just thinking of this today. Here's a quote from "Eat, Pray, Love" and I think Elizabeth Gilbert nails it: "People think a soul mate is your perfect fit, and that's what everyone wants. But a true soul mate is a mirror, the person who shows you everything that is holding you back, the person who brings you to your own attention so you can change your life. A true soul mate is probably the most important person you'll ever meet, because they tear down your walls and smack you awake. But to live with a soul mate forever? Nah. Too painful. Soul mates, they come into your life just to reveal another layer of yourself to you, and then leave. A soul mates purpose is to shake you up, tear apart your ego a little bit, show you your obstacles and addictions, break your heart open so new light can get in, make you so desperate and out of control that you have to transform your life, then introduce you to your spiritual master..." So, yes... in this respect my ExN was definitely my soul mate.
Jul 22 - 10AM (Reply to #8)
Lisa E. Scott
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Wow, I love this!

Wow, I love this definition of a soul mate. "A soul mate's purpose is to shake you up, tear apart your ego a little bit, show you your obstacles and addictions, break your heart open so new light can get in, make you so desperate and out of control that you have to transform your life, then introduce you to your spiritual master..." I have to agree that in this respect, my EXNH was definitely my soul mate. Wow, I hadn't seen this before. I have her book, but haven't had a chance to read it in its entirety yet. I definitely want to see the movie. I know I would not be this in touch with myself right now if I hadn't experienced all that I did. What I have finally come to realize is what Nancy said "all we need is what is inside ourselves." The last song on my album by Sinead O'Connor is called "Feel So Different" and the end of the song sums it all up for me. Here are the lyrics to the end of the song/end of my album: the whole time I'd never seen all you had spread before me the whole time I'd never seen that all I'd need was inside me now I feel so different I feel so different I feel so different. I love you ladies! You truly enlighten and inspire me everyday! xoxo
Jul 21 - 9PM (Reply to #7)
Susan32
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Eat, Prey, Love

IMHO, Elizabeth Gilbert's definition of the soul mate as essentially destructive (they destroy your ego, then leave) is quite different from the compatible, harmonious person with whom you spend the rest of your life. Following her definition (which is quite unique), then my ex-Psychopath professor was DEFINITELY my soul mate... and not the guy with whom to settle down, marry, and have kids. Considering how predatory he was, "Eat, Prey, Love" would be more suitable..LOL... During the D&D, my ex-P asked me, "Why do you like me?" I listed a bunch of qualities-compassion, patience, kindness, etc-- and he said that I was projecting all my positive qualities onto him. Whether that was a mindgame or not, I don't know. But in a sense, he was right. One of my friends said that he was attracted to my positive qualities. My mother said that he was more interested in my qualities than me as a person. Hence, the idealization. I've read parts of "Eat, Pray, Love"--and so far, it's excellent. Anyone planning to see the movie?
Jul 21 - 9PM (Reply to #5)
NancyM
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Yup you girls have got it

Yup you girls have got it alright. I have not read Eat, Pray, Love but I have come across similar elsewhere and it makes perfect sense to me.:) Thanks for posting the excerpt, it describes it perfectly.

Nevergoback

Oct 7 - 7PM (Reply to #6)
NancyM
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Eat, pray love

I noticed someone was recently asked about this so I am bumping up. I am currently reading it as I always prefer to read the book before the movie.

Nevergoback

Jul 21 - 9PM (Reply to #2)
Kelly
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LOL

Bohdi! We wrote this at the same time!!!!
Jul 21 - 9PM (Reply to #3)
Bodhi
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OMG

TWICE!!
Jul 21 - 9PM (Reply to #4)
Kelly
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Too Funny!!!

Ahahahaha