The Sexual Relationship with a Narcissist

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#1 Mar 1 - 5AM
titta22
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The Sexual Relationship with a Narcissist

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The sexual relationship with the narcissist is most peculiar. Narcissists are exhibitionists and sex is just one further means of being admired to her or him.

Intimacy does not exist and you will frequently feel used. The narcissist will demand that you subdue yourself. Your own sexual preferences will be boycotted or twisted.

Narcissists have a strong tendency to sexually abuse a partner and sometimes children. Here is a list of SOME of these abusive behaviors (these are not true in all cases; nor do ALL have to be present for it to be NPD):

* You are prohibited from masturbating or feel good about your own body under the threat of punishment

* You are being made to watch porn although you don't want to

* You are not allowed any sexual gratification yourself

* The narcissist pretends to be sexual (desirous) for you but is after her/ his gratification only

* Your sexual past is being torn apart or made fun of

* You are being told that all you want is sex (although you know this is not the case, however sex is central to the narcissist)

* The narcissist instigates sex (like telling you erotic things and sending you pictures or emails which are sexual) but then decides last minute that nothing is to take place; or simply demands abusive sex

* The narcissist abuses you while you are asleep (sleep rape)

* You are being raped (coerced verbally or emotionally - includes "I love you") on a regular basis

* You are feeling humiliated and yet the narcissist claims that (s)he has been humiliated

* The narcissist finds it funny when you get hurt and enjoys it when you get hurt, this can be physically or emotionally

* The narcissist instigates and turns everything into a sexual game

* The narcissist demands prolonged sex way above the limit you can handle nor want to

* The narcissist tells you that you want to have sexual relations with everybody -- although the narcissist has a strong tendency to flirt with others and to be infidel

* You are being told off for the fact that you were flirting with someone although you are not flirting at all

* The narcissist makes fun of your sexuality in front of others (e.g. you have a small penis or small breasts)

* The narcissist demands sex when you make it clear that you don't want to

* The narcissist has to try out everything possible

* The narcissist is an exhibitionist and will want sex in public and dresses inappropriately at home and or elsewhere
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There is another form of sexual abuse with Narcissists (and other Pathologicals). In fact, so I believe, it is the most common one, and hence it took me so long to get it. This form of abuse comes in four stages:

* Firstly, the victim will be forced to reveal her or his sexual preferences and experiences to the perpetrator.

* Secondly, the perpetrator will condition the victim to direct her or his entire sexuality towards the perpetrator. At this stage, the sexual relationship is intense.

* Thirdly, the perpetrator reduces the intensity of the sexual relationship dramatically, so that the victim is in constant sexual need. (Sexual Hyperarousal)

* Fourthly, the perpetrator grants inproper sexual gratification in order to maintain the sexual need of the victim. Now, the victim, who is (sexually) dependent on the perpetrator, can be humiliated, manipulated and used.

Dr. Ludger Hofmann-Engl

Mar 14 - 4AM
JMi
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Hmm mine seemed to have

Hmm mine seemed to have different sides Sex could be everything from passionate to exciting but when i really think about things it was never 'making love'?! We would go thru stages of lots of it or very little but it was always initiated by him and on his terms and again come to think of it he would occasionally punish me if i ever initiated it by turning away and making excuses?! He had very high sex drive and was always willing to please me too but he would get angry with me if he couldn't 'get me' and would sulk and make me feel bad!! He is and was the only sexual partner i've ever had but he has had quite a few before me, one of whom i've spoke to when they were very young (around 15) she said he used and abused her for 3 months pretty much guilt tripping her into everything to please him and his sexual curiosity at that age! I feel like finding this website has opened my eyes to someone who i never even knew......it makes me sad to think i had this guy on a pedestal.....i have been left wondering who the hell i just spent the last 11 years of my life with?! :(
Mar 10 - 8PM
ifinallygotit
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The only good thing was our sex...

Mine was very sweet and sexy (when not cold and rejecting) and pretty normal in the sexual zone, except that he would not allow us to have it regularly - even though he loved sex, we could only have it when he felt like it so I always felt love starved. The attraction between us never died the whole time (we dated for 10 years and the last seven were "exclusive" (not! I am sure he cheated on me)). The few times we would have it regularly (like 2 or 3 times/week) it would turn him off as is it became too mundane instead of magical. I think he liked to distance himself to break the intimacy bonds, regather himself and then be able to play the charm game like I was a new catch. If you sleep together all the time its too real...We both seemed pretty addicted to each other sexually. I loved being with him and felt totally safe in his arms. I slept very peacefully with him. He was always glad when I would finally leave in the morning to go to work. He had a certain amount of intimacy that he could tolerate and then he would really want to be alone in his house. Even though he would cook me nice breakfasts, I always knew he was glad that I was leaving. He always kissed me good bye and wished me a good day - but I never felt really loved as i walked to my car knowing he was so ready for the intimacy to be over already. He hurt a string of women before me...I think I thought I had reformed a player but really he did not enjoy our committed relationship. He really tried but he always looked restless and unhappy when we got close.Player N's are good lovers...that is how they get supply; they will always have supply. He was a sweet lover.
Mar 12 - 4PM (Reply to #25)
It'sAllAboutMeNow (not verified)
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All too familiar...

That was our sex life exactly. It was on his terms!!! He was very sweet, loving, affectionate but he kept our intimate contact to a limit. It would drive me crazy. He would touch me when ever he wanted but I was not free to touch him like that (I'm talking in playful mannerism). I can honestly say I was lucky if we did it once a week. I never understood why but I assumed it was because he was in his late 30's (sex drive decrease). It's interesting that I found this post because I have been thinking about our sex life a lot lately. The fact that he was sweet and nurturing to me during our intimate times. If he hurt me, he seemed to feel bad or concerned. These are the things that drive me absolutely insane and I have a hard time understanding. It's comforting to know that there are others who understand what I'm feeling.
Mar 12 - 5PM (Reply to #26)
ifinallygotit
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it'sallaboutmenow - control

i do not think its was low sex drive - I think its was all about control - everything a game on their terms -even how much sex to allow - not at all normal! Most healthy men want sex all the time (well at least regularly) with a woman they are very attracted to and care about. I think its the intimacy thing - too much of it disgusts them and is a big turn off...it wrecks the pretend romance game. I even asked him about it since it was so odd, (why are you so affectionate but limit sex?) but he would just smile and not say anything. My xN has a normal sex drive and was sexier than young guys. My gut tells me that he was probably not having actual intercourse with other women, but was probably kissing and petting in cars and having a big drama game with strangers from bars,leading them on. He did not want any unexpected babies...or another girlfriend - just the attention.He loved the attention he received from young girls when he would go out on the town(remember he used to be famous, is gregarious with the outside world and has a charming boyishness in middle age) so he can easily gather attention). I think he was totally addicted to getting the attention from his old glory days.Having a normal girlfriend and normal sex life just did not satisfy his ego enough. Though he really liked having me around for the normal stuff and cozy times at home, esp if there is nothing more exciting going on that night. Like someone else said, like having a pet you like.
Mar 13 - 8PM (Reply to #29)
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ifinallygotit

Sounds very similar to my relationship with my exN. He always wanted me around. Any free time he had he spent with me unless of course he created some dramatic no nonsense fight evey now and again, which I realize now was for him to go off and have his freedome. For two years I never believed he cheated sexually. I always thought he might be flirty and needed attention from the outside world too. But then it all came crashing down when I found the evidence I needed that he was in fact sleeping with other women and most likely throughout our whole relationship. I will never know the extent of his cheating as far as how many but the fact that there was one at all during the course of our realtionship was enough for me. All the puzzle pieces fell into place for me because he was weird about me coming to his place of work, he kept me and his female friends apart, and I never met his parent. I assumed he was just private and this was easy for me to digest because I have an older brother who is not an N but he took a long time to introduce us to his now wife. Anyway, it's all very much so a mind screw because this man made me feel like I was everything to him and even talked marriage. Throughout the course of relationship I had my gut suspicions but chose to keep trusting him. He wold even tell, "you need to trust me, I only want to be with you." I told myself that everything would surface on it's own time and I guess during the process I grew the strength I would need to walk away since that day and not look back... although it's only been a month. LOL
Mar 13 - 8AM (Reply to #28)
TraumaMamma
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oh my god

That is my ex boyfriend to a T. He is a cowboy, charmer and quite gregarious. The life of the party. Women flock to him. He loves the attention too and got plenty of it as a bouncer and former bodybuilder and personal trainer. We have had sex on 12-23 and 1-22 and I have complained about the lack of sex (and there has been no lack of opportunity) and all I do is "want sex". I bet since we started dating we have had sex a total of 5 times since Nov. He complains he has taken care of himself for 2 yrs (no gf, so he is so used to self service that even when he knows I am coming over, the deed is already done, and there isn't anything left for me so to speak....he said it is a bad habit he had to break....Uh...ok.) WTF!?!?! He is warm, affectionate and snuggly on the couch, but when we go to bed, he rolls over and it is lights out. The pet analogy. Spot on. Exactly what I feel like...I always said I felt like companions more than anything else.

Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "I will try again tomorrow.' --Mary Anne Radmache

Mar 12 - 5PM (Reply to #27)
Susan32
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Intimacy as disgusting

I didn't get sexually intimate with the ex-Psych professor (he also admitted a masturbation habit)... but he found emotional/intellectual intimacy disgusting. He claimed a major interest in Wittgenstein. Whenever I tried to discuss Wittgenstein with him... it somehow disgusted him. He'd get evasive, change the subject. Beat a hasty retreat. He claimed to be a philosopher. I'd try to talk philosophy with him;he'd change the subject. When I declared my love to him my senior year... he acted as if I were literally disgusting him. He'd move his seminar class from one classroom to another. He'd be literally running away from me, then I'd get lectured endlessly about the importance of "formal distance." He'd distance himself from me so I'd pursue him... but then he'd hunt me down, asking, "Did you learn your lesson?" He acted as if falling in love was something I should be punished for. He was 36;I'm sure when he was a grad student, he had students who fell for him... but with me he acted as if a student hadn't fallen in love with him before (he used to be physically attractive--that was 15 years ago) He acted as if I were loathsome because I was in love with him.
Mar 11 - 2AM (Reply to #24)
onwithmylife
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finally gotit

funny what you said sums up our sex life so well, that was the glue that kept us together for 15 years, but i could always tell how much he needed his space, even though he would always try and get me to stay longer.It was the one time we were a normal couple and like soulmates as i told him, too bad he lost a wonderful lover and he use to tell me that.
Mar 9 - 2PM
Steph
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I was never abused sexually

I was never abused sexually by him. He just withheld, I guess. I mean, he was ususally all over me, wanted me. BUT if *I* initiated things....he just wasn't "feeling" it. He told me that he likes lingerie. Well, I bought some, and each time I wore it, he just wasn't feeling like he had much of a "sex drive" lately. But he was VERY sexual with me. Just when HE wanted/inititated it. Control again.
Mar 8 - 12PM
Susan32
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While the relationship never got sexual...

I recognize MANY of these things with the ex-Psych professor. "You are prohibited from feeling good about your body"-He'd mock me about what I ate, whether I was fat or thin, calling me a slut whenever I wore a dress. But jeans&t-shirts were OK. "Your sexual past is torn apart"-The ex-P would complain to his students on class time about the fact I was dating. He assumed I was having sex with them, I'm sure. He'd tell me how I had dated "losers." "Finds it funny when you get hurt emotionally or physically"-A constant. Too many examples to name. In the end, I'd be openly guffawing his Narc injuries. To his face. He'd be raging, and I'd be chortling. "You are feeling humiliated yet he claims he is humiliated"-Final D&D. I'd be apologizing to him while was publicly humiliating me. "Makes fun of your sexuality"-Whenever I disagreed with him, he'd accuse me of hating men&being a lesbian (his girlfriend was assumed to be a lesbian) He mocked gays cruelly. He thought it was fine that Paul Wittgenstein&Leo Tolstoy raped their wives, that Paul forced himself on his piano student Hilde at their first lesson, impregnating her, and Leo forced himself on Sofia right after the wedding ceremony in the carriage. "Improper sexual gratification"-The ex-P baring his chest in the coffee shop. No other professor did that.
Mar 9 - 1PM (Reply to #21)
Susan32
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More exhibitionism....

Spalding Gray, the actor known for his monologues like "Swimming to Cambodia", was the subject of a documentary a few years ago. He committed suicide. His widow recently found out that he starred in porn movies. It came as a shock to her and the sons he fathered with her. Gray D&D'd his first wife, tried to cover up that he got his girlfriend (now widow) pregnant, and tried to get his girlfriend to get an abortion... typical Narc.
Mar 8 - 12PM (Reply to #20)
Susan32
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Exhibitionism

During Leo Tolstoy's weeklong courtship of Sofia, he gave her his diaries, chronicling his various sexual escapades, from going to brothels, to impregnating female serfs, and various homoerotic liaisons (he didn't go as far as to say he had sex with men, but it was so heavily implied that Sofia was suspicious about him getting sexually involved with his follower Chertkov and a Russian Orthodox priest towards the end) It's one thing to be open&honest about one's sexual history... but Leo did it in such a way it was hurtful&humiliating. Sofia felt as if her innocence had been assaulted. It's good for couples considering marriage to discuss their romantic/sexual histories, there has to be honesty... but this was exhibitionism. The ex-P was an exhibitionist in telling me about his masturbation habit, how he preferred it to anything else. Within the teacher/student relationship... telling a student that you masturbate... great idea. *NOT*
Mar 2 - 2AM
onwithmylife
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Sex

was probably the time we were most intimate and felt a real connection, although sometimes i did feel like an object since his mind was so one tracked on sex. Nothing weird or perverse except near the end when he asked if i would have sex with a stranger.Proves to me I was just a sex object, not a flesh and blood woman to him.
Mar 1 - 6AM
victimnomore
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My NH

My NH fit a lot of these. Now that I think about it, way back when we first met he wanted to have sex everywhere and anywhere. He became less intimate as time went on and it was all about him. No foreplay or kissing. I felt like a prostitute, just there to serve him. Then came the really weird stuff. I think his perversion progressed as he got older. I am so glad to be away from that sicko!

victimnomore

Mar 1 - 6AM
MandyM
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None of these apply to me.

None of these apply to me. He would be selfish about some things, yes - for example, there was no foreplay, and he would refuse to undress me, insisting that "it's not that romantic - but the sex was great, perfectly normal, and he would often hold out until I was satisfied. He talked about being constantly aroused, but other than that, he was too shy to even talk about sex with me beyond speaking in generalities. Porn? Dirty talk? For all his badass attitude, I think he would have caught on fire for blushing. Forget everything else. Having said that, it was glaringly obvious to me that he started pulling away after our last time together - the first and only time I ever felt like we'd truly "made love" rather than just had sex. I always felt like he was holding back - he was actually extremely reserved in bed. As time went on, I noticed he seemed to be relaxing a bit, feeling more comfortable expressing himself a little, more comfortable in general, which I took as a good sign. That last time together was so incredibly intimate, like none of our other times. And it was after that that I started noticing the distance. Before long, he was gone.
Mar 11 - 3AM (Reply to #16)
Goldie
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Interesting

Totally ties in with their fear of intimacy. Whenever we would have a close time together sexually, I was sure to get coldness the next day. Like clockwork. He was scared shit of his potential feelings for me. Most of the time, he wanted a quickie. No foreplay. I began to complain about this and he made some effort, yet no weird stuff whatsoever. He was extremely shy about talking about that stuff, yet I sensed he was into it. I think he just went with what the woman was into. If she was a brute and wanted intense angry sex, I'm sure he would have loved it, however, I never opened that door. I asked him a few times if he liked it rough cause he was an angry bastard, and he kind of wimped, yeah a little bit. I said like what? Hair pulling and hard or what? And he said yeah, a little bit. I was like: Screw that to myself, if this joker can't do more foreplay, I'm not doing jack squat of anything he may be into. So it stayed very very straight, ordinary, and boring. Aside from those few times he was very loving and caring and then was cold the next day. I almost grew to dread those intimate times because I knew what was coming. I had fear of intimacy with him as well, so we made a fine pair, lol. Goldie
Mar 1 - 6AM
hedidntbreakme
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The narc I had put me through

The narc I had put me through every scenario above including incest, gay experience (him participating with a man), nothing was ever good enough. His request got worse n worse. I am still standing hurting and broken but God has my best interest at heart. I hope oneday I can muster up the courage to post my story but it hurts so bad. Always thought I was a strong woman until I met him. One of his last requests was for me to have sex with his dad while his mom was at work. Oh gosh. It never happened. After I protested, he pretended that it was just a joke.
Mar 11 - 4AM (Reply to #14)
Goldie
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Try not to beat yourself

This is part of the dance we do with these freaks. We people please them at our own expense. I never did the sex thing with him, I was abused as a child and can just not go there, however, I was a pathetic little girl puppy dog in so many other ways. Just about makes me want to puke today to think about it. How high shall I jump today honey, to stay in your good graces, you sick moronic piece of crap? Beating ourselves for awhile is a typical part of recovery in the beginning. We wonder how on earth we could have sunk so low. I let him use all my money and had to drop out of school. How's that for pathetic. I know today this is all part of the sickness of being with these PD's and the good news in recovery is: THAT WE DON'T EVER EVER EVER HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN AND WE GROW STRONGER AND LEARN SO MUCH ABOUT OURSELVES AND BECOME BETTER THAN EVER AFTER A PD. It's a horribly hard way to get there and I am so sorry for what this monster put you through, but you are among friends now and we have all been there and to my knowledge, noone on here will ever pass judgement on what you did because we all sold our souls to varing degrees with these fools and we have them back now. Hedidn'tbreakme, and he did not break you, are in my prayers today as you work through your feelings and grow to love yourself again and and soar like the beautiful woman God intended you to be. Never again, Goldie
Mar 1 - 12PM (Reply to #12)
michele115 (not verified)
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This just made my stomach turn

One of his last requests was for me to have sex with his dad while his mom was at work. ARE you serious? AND was dad in on this? OMG...I am so sorry you went through this... Seriously sickened...and I'm not much of a marshmellow...JESUS! AND what about his mother?...He could betray anyone huh...
Mar 1 - 3PM (Reply to #13)
hedidntbreakme
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Michelle, he claims to love

Michelle, he claims to love his mother so much and when he said that to me...it hurt so bad "I want you to have sex with my dad, my mom will be at work, you see the way my dad looks at you" ug...then when he knew he had put a nail in his coffin...he acted as if he was playing. Then said, my ex had sex with my dad, we weren't sure if my daughter was his or mine....IT WAS A LIE. he always said things like that to make me feel - i had to do it if they did it...shame shame shame.
Mar 1 - 6AM
hedidntbreakme
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The narc I had put me through

The narc I had put me through every scenario above including incest, gay experience (him participating with a man), nothing was ever good enough. His request got worse n worse. I am still standing hurting and broken but God has my best interest at heart. I hope oneday I can muster up the courage to post my story but it hurts so bad. Always thought I was a strong woman until I met him. One of his last requests was for me to have sex with his dad while his mom was at work. Oh gosh. It never happened. After I protested, he pretended that it was just a joke.
Mar 1 - 6AM
hedidntbreakme
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The narc I had put me through

The narc I had put me through every scenario above including incest, gay experience (him participating with a man), nothing was ever good enough. His request got worse n worse. I am still standing hurting and broken but God has my best interest at heart. I hope oneday I can muster up the courage to post my story but it hurts so bad. Always thought I was a strong woman until I met him. One of his last requests was for me to have sex with his dad while his mom was at work. Oh gosh. It never happened. After I protested, he pretended that it was just a joke.
Mar 1 - 6AM
titta22
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It isn't normal...ABC0311

You're right it isn't normal and they sure do love to make you feel undesireable. Mine he would withhold sex and i would confront him about it, he would simply say that sex isn't everything. Are you kidding me! It is when you all of a sudden avoid touching me in any way shape or form. It's truly frustrating.
Mar 1 - 5AM
ABC0311
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Mine had very little interest

After about 2 years almost no interest whatsoever. We were together for 10 years. It made me feel undesireable. When I would bring it up, he would say that most married couples don't have it much at all and I just accepted it for a long time. I have to say, I really DON'T think that is normal for a guy in his 20's-early 30's.
Mar 1 - 5AM
titta22
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I never felt connected to him...

As much as i try to search for a time when i felt a profound connection with the Narc when it came to sex, I don't think it ever happened. I think our memory plays tricks on us and as much as i wish he felt what i felt for him, it's simply not the case. Our emotions and feelings are so strong for them that we want to believe it is the same for them.
Mar 1 - 5AM
spinning
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This is a subject I

could go on and on about. Suffice it to say the marathons were unbearable...and I told him so toward the end. He was exceedingly controlling and had many weird fetishes. He had ED often unless he was self-manipulating. He was an exhibitionist and sex with him was without intimate connection. Uck. Gross. I made him wait six months before allowing him to touch me and I now regret horribly that he knows me in that way. He does not deserve it. Oh well. Send the good vibes out for me please, all of you wonderful community members. I am a wreck. Sincerely (determined to stop) spinning

spinning

Mar 1 - 5AM
Trulybroken
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My ex doesn't fit any of

My ex doesn't fit any of these.
Mar 1 - 5AM (Reply to #2)
titta22
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Trulybroken...

Then you always felt connected to him?
Mar 1 - 6AM (Reply to #3)
Trulybroken
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No, I didn't always feel

No, I didn't always feel connected to him. When we did have sex, he seemed to go into another world and not try to connect with me When I brought this up, he made an effort to look at me when we had sex, and he actually did connect on certain levels. There was just so much anger in our relationship, sex became a non issue after a while. I was the one who didn't want it! Was just saying he doesn't fit any of the points above
Mar 11 - 6AM (Reply to #4)
storiesmom
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sex

Mine said sex is like going to the bathroom-it's just something you have to do.We never made love, just mechanical sex.The next morning he was always cold and angry.