Recovering from Cheating / Affairs

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#1 Jul 10 - 9AM
BadaBing
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Recovering from Cheating / Affairs

Hi everyone

I am still going over how to heal from his cheating and whether or not this was really a one time accident or if he was going to have an affair with coworker

Some point out that had he completed the act that he most likely would of continued to have sex with her behind my back and start an affair. I found some great info today and wanted to share...

this is all still very much on my mind but I am feeling much better after a hard week.

He has left me alone completely.

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Dealing with the Discovery of Infidelity

The pain and shock of discovering a partner’s infidelity can be one of life’s most traumatic events. As such, it should come as no surprise that it often takes several years for couples to effectively repair a relationship after infidelity comes to light.

Some things to keep in mind about surviving infidelity:

Many couples are able to recover from infidelity and can develop a stronger relationship with more intimacy and closeness.

Several factors influence how successful couples are at saving a relationships after an affair: the quality of the relationship prior to the discovery of infidelity, both partner’s commitment to making a relationship work, effective communication skills, and counseling are critical to successful recovery (see, is relationship worth saving).

The true motivation underlying infidelity can sometimes be hard to identify. As such, couples may come up with explanations which do not adequately explain what happened (see, why people cheat). If this is the case, the underlying problem does not get addressed and cheating is likely to happen again. Even ending a relationship may not resolve the problem because infidelity can often follow individuals into their next relationship.

Serial cheating is much more difficult to resolve than a onetime affair as it is often linked to personality characteristics, which can be very difficult to change (see, who is likely to cheat).

While infidelity often occurs in healthy relationships, infidelity can also be an indicator of larger relational problems such as a fundamental incompatibility or a lack of love and companionship.

Stages and Advice for Dealing with Infidelity:
Stage 1 - Trauma of Discovery

Romantic relationships are built, in part, on positive illusions (see, romantic attachments).

Discovering infidelity shatters those illusions, it creates a lot of uncertainty, and it raises fundamental questions such as:

Who are you?
How could you do this to me?
What is our relationship about?

The initial shock of discovering an affair and the uncertainty it creates, often leads to the following reactions: depression, anger, shame, obsessive thoughts, dwelling on the details of the affair, inability to concentrate, and monitoring a spouse’s every move.

The best way to deal with these initial reactions is to discuss one’s feelings in a supportive, nonjudgmental environment. An environment where someone will simply listen without offering knee-jerk reactions or advice.

Advice is typically not useful at this point in time, as people are too emotionally distraught to think clearly or make decisions that are in their best interest. Having someone who will listen, however, is important. Feelings become less intense and less intrusive when they are shared with people who care.

As such, it may not be useful to express one’s disappointment with a spouse at this point in time. Immediately after the discovery of an affair, cheating spouses are probably unable to listen supportively. And sharing such intense, emotionally charged feelings with a spouse may create a defensive reaction - a denial of what happened, an attempt to shift the blame, or withdrawal. Unfortunately, such responses are only likely to intensify one’s negative feelings.

As a general rule, sharing feelings with someone who is not willing (or able) to listen often has the opposite effect - unacknowledged feelings become more powerful (see, create understanding).

Ultimately, support groups, individual counseling, family, friends, and message boards can be very useful when dealing with the initial shock of infidelity.

Stage 2 - Relational Trajectory

After the initial shock has subsided, it helps to make an assessment of how both partners want to resolve the problem. Is there a genuine concern, expressed by both parties, to try and save the relationship?

Or is one side ambivalent about how they feel or confused about what they want to do? If so, how will this ambivalence get resolved? To save a relationship after infidelity, it requires two people working toward the same goal.

Again, individual counseling is often useful for couples who are ambivalent about their feelings or are uncertain about the future of their relationship.

Stage 3 - Repairing a Relationship and Restoring Trust

If both parties decide that they want to try and save their marriage, the next phase is the most difficult.

To begin with, it requires understanding the motivation underlying the affair and taking steps to change the factors which led the unfaithful partner to cheat.

People often lack insight into their own behavior, and if they do understand why they cheated, they often do not want to disclose this information with a spouse - thinking that doing so will only cause more problems. However, if the real issues are not identified, they are less likely to get resolved.

And by approaching this problem as a couple, it can empower a spouse, who has been cheated on, by providing a sense of control. Working together to fix the problem can bring back a sense of certainty or reassurance, which is important when trying to restore trust.

In addition to identifying the motivation underlying the affair, it is essential to candidly discuss the details of what happened. Again, most cheating spouses attempt to hide the details of the affair, thinking that telling the truth will only lead to more problems.

But, concealing the details of the affair, often leads to lingering questions, which if not addressed, are unlikely to go away on their own. And if questions linger, it can be nearly impossible for a spouse not to dwell on the incident.

Revealing the truth can be painful, but it is necessary when trying to move forward.

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http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/recovery-and-repair/surviving-infidel...

I would love to sit down with him and a counselor and talk and not have to feel pressured to work it out, rather to talk about it.
This doesn't reconcile very well with me though because I feel that counseling will be helpful it would be best to do it alone and not couples counseling - because we broke up already and contemplating going back to him makes me feel pressured , he risks nothing and I risk everything. It really is best for me to leave it alone, and stop this back and forth.

Stay broken up. Move on.

thanks

Jul 10 - 1PM
girlsinger
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bada

Hi there sweetheart "there was no final D&D" bada oh but there was... )it was that thing I promised not to mention) that is a big fat D&D remember cookie D&D means devaluation and discard that is exactly what he was doing to you in that moment it is no accident that this wasnt in a motel room and done because he was "curious" a one time thing that he needed to satisfy a curiosity (which in itself would have been hard to accept) this wasnt about a certian "sexual act" one that you didnt feel comfortable with (im being delicate here because men read this stuff) this was a DEVALUATION of your very core,bada your personhood your womanhood that is why it was at your home! what's up? didnt she have a home? an N must have control, dominate! this was an ULTIMATE D&D!!!.. who needs an Email or silent treatment? I know in my heart you are hurting and aching right now I also know that as soon as you begin therapy you will see.. you are in shock, bless your heart..of course you are you just changed up your whole world! you just had your own personal Katrina! and it was the last thing on your mind... and BTW N's go to therapy all the time if the therapist is sharp they refuse to work with them if they are not sharp they refuse to work with them after a few thousand dollars when it occurs to them that he is an N or a P and they will get nowhere and that they just got duped we are all narcissistc,BTW when we are young there is a phase that we pass through when thats all we are its all about us then we grow up and if we are in the normal range there is still some "healthy" narcissism but when it is a "disorder" you get that thing that I promised not to mention hey, I had a great therapst who put it like this its like that part of the brain used to be a cucumber and became a 'pickle" it can never and will never be a pickle, again it cant its changed now listen sweetheart you will do what you feel is best I didnt learn easily I learned from loss...immense pain, more pain and loss than I can write here some folks are lucky they can hear from another's "loss" and "get it" before they themselves have lost all my hope is that would be you,bada I know its the hardest thing you will ever do and it only takes changing one thing... EVERYTHING! Im pulling for you...just like all here are in the end you can study HIM...or YOU in the end if it hurts..I dont go there, stove hot, me get burned but that is just me I dont need a label or a diagnosis I refuse the blister be blessed K
Jul 10 - 3PM (Reply to #10)
BadaBing
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what if

I just don't see it as the D&D that other Narcs intentionally put the other person through respectfully what if I can understand how this happened ? I believe what he says...that he forgot himself, got caught up in it and found just the right person that wanted what no one else would/could give him? because he used our sofa suggests to me he wasn't thinking at all,or he WAS thinking , that I would never be home ok I see the power and control of this too his is a senior over her and mentoring her, she is texting him after work hours (why put that in there if it was work related THEN suggests a time when texting wasn't work related) so I see that he has power and control over her I see she didn't mean much to him because he basically D&D 's her on the ride home (which leads me to see the Narc tendencies he has but not a disorder) YES is it shallow but what if this is not a premeditated long carried out affair but a one time mistake? I remember clearly he did not tell me they had oral sex, although I suspected they did (and was right!) and he did tell me that she wanted a transfer not that he had done anything to get her transfer, so yes I would love to clear this up never felt so conflicted before I wish I could turn my back on him and give him the cold shoulder
Jul 10 - 12PM
girlsinger
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bada

Hi There precious One you are doing amazingly well you are a braveheart.. listen you said it perfectly "he risks nothing I risk everything" the other issue of course is that cheating and recovering from cheating is one thing (and that is a great article BTW) but, 2 things come up here 1. First and foremost he is a narcissist any professioanl that knows thier PDI's well can read his writings/Emails/actions and his pattern of speech and the stratagy of his whole " manner" in general can deduce that immediately if they cant be sure to find one who can... most cant...but the ones who can are out there be persistant... you see, this is not a guy that cheated one day I wish that were the case he's a narcissist who cheated ( he is still all about CONTROL& entitlement..which can be distlled to CONTROL) in other words his sense of "entitlement" has no bounds he only feels bad because you caught him period. a non N would be tough enough but would be at least "able' to participate in therapy as you can read here many have tried but when the ventromedial pre-frontal cortex (which is the center in the brain for empathy risk taking & decision making) is damaged like with your N, like all PDI's (in other words that part of the brain dosent 'Light up" (and boy is it..no dbout, in your N's case) (this is where him bringing her into your home is an example....he actually get's a 'rush" by doing that no remorse..just anger that he was caught where a normie might have fleeting thoughts but never ever cross that line...could not) you have no raw materials to work with in therapy with an N hence the frustration that so many endure when in therapy with an N or a P or any PDI 2. he did this during your "engagement" period when you are laying down the foundation of trust and bonding ( I dont recall heaing that you were formally "engaged"., bada,.please forgive me if Im incorrect) but you were living with him in that kind of mind set from what I can gather (please correct me if Im wrong on that as well) in plain you were an established "couple" (gosh..his sense of "entitlement" is so glaring!) you know what? I feel if you did more digging you would easily find more things that are buried with him..lots more but you are so wise to not waste anymore time digging for him..this was enough dont you think? great therapy will give you the opportunity to unearth what is inside of you and that is a "treasure" that is worth the journey YOU! persoanlly after what I have been through I could never ever live with anyone until I am married to them period I didnt live with my exN, though he wanted me to but I said no.. I had learned that lesson years ago they get to play house with no conciquences to thier actions and women, who have the oxytocin and bond get "bonded" in pain and tortured and it takes all we have got in us to find our center again no deal, no thanks its tough enough with a "normie" to find this out its a million times worse with an N for me Once a guy cheats..N or P or normie Im gone...it can never ever be ok for me but I do know friends that have come back from an episode of cheating and are still together and look & seem happy...hmmm Im not made that way..sometimes I wish I was but Im NOT, and that is valueable to know about oneself that is what I learned in therapy what I REALLY FELT....FOR REAL its gotta be 'sacred" for me or im done..period do I feel a realtionship can be 'stronger" after an affair..as mentioned in the article? perhaps( sounds nice to read the words, but I wonder...) as for me..no never....never ever ..not gonna happen no matter how much I loved him...and boy..I did you are going foward Bada..even in pain you go foward I say BRAVO! I relate totally, and say BRAVO! so happy you will be taking the journey of therapy single therapy soup for One therapy...LOL dont you find it interesting that he left you alone after you had the co-worker Email incident? hmmm you asked him before to stay away..he didnt respect that he did this time food for thought be blessed K
Jul 10 - 12PM (Reply to #7)
BadaBing
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k

he did not leave me alone after the coworker email, he left me alone before I ever sent that email (just one day before) no we were not engaged the article applied to married couples really not living together I was happy with him and in trying to understand his cheating was led to Narcissim info interesting co-relation hmmm I also can't dig and discover more because I have been playing NC and not communicating via questions that really matter I felt so damn confused for so long so damn sad and traumatized I am just waking each day to new things and realizations from some things I have read you can be a narcissist and not be NPD and it can also develop over time so he might be on the track and I can't see it right now but I can't find many instances of NPD that seem to be like him I keep reading though Early on his aggression was unreal toward me and I hated being at the affect of his anger and rage and understood he took it out on me but we both were upset I saw him go through the process of losing me and it hurt him, unlike some narc stories there was no D&D he still loves me he show affection he offers to go to counseling -- Narcs don't do that stuff, right? as always thanks K
Jul 10 - 2PM (Reply to #8)
agnesmurphy17
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Counseling

Clever Ns suggest counseling. Mine did. It's an effective manner to spread the blame 50-50 in a dysfunctional relationship. My N was abusive & even before I expressed a desire to leave -- he demanded that we go to family therapy or else he would divorce me. I was plotting my escape at that time so I went to keep the peace & I played my cards very close. I saw my N was manipulating the therapist. It was just more hoop-jumping as well as emotional & psychological abuse & manipulation. My N thought he could get control over me -- that i would fall into the trap of talking to the therapist about MY FEELINGS & he would get more ammunition to use against me. Mine was totally into the mindf**k. I did not have the upper hand at that time. I felt crazy & paranoid because I felt he was trying to get me & destroy me. Even suggested that WE commit suicide after one of his most abusive episodes--thereafter he demanded that I go to family therapy or he would divorce me. I told him to divorce me. That didn't sit well. But I ended up in therapy anyhow. Look. If you never go to this counseling which he suggests, you may always wonder. You say that you are not sure he is a N. OK. Going to therapy 1 or 2 x per week for a few weeks is NOT moving in together or having sex. It may be a segue into going out for a coffee afterwards. Then another day a dinner. And building up into a relationship again. I would not leap into being a full-fleged couple again & doing therapy 1 or 2x a week on the side. That might get you into a situation where YOU are required to bury the past to make the relationship work in the now.
Jul 10 - 10AM
bakingfortherapy
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Counseling ....

The key point that sticks out in your post is "two people working towards the same goal" This means honestly, nit just to band aid or buy time ( my N lived in the moment) We tried counseling twice. My N didn't really want to address his issues. He thinks he is fine. And he didnt REALLY want to honestly repair and rebuild the relationship. What do you really want? What is best for you?
Jul 10 - 9AM
Sparrow
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Excellent point you

Excellent point you made........... He risks nothing, I risk everything. That right there is the key to your doorway out. Don't turn back, it will be fruitless.
Jul 10 - 11AM (Reply to #2)
BadaBing
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am I enough?

History tells me I wasn't enough for him to stay faithful something happened or changed maybe he can't see that or recognize that he rejected me by cheating with her It is all my risk he just keeps on being himself and I get to test it and see if it works/pays off to be with him he just picks up where we left off maybe I assume too much thanks sparrow
Jul 10 - 3PM (Reply to #4)
agnesmurphy17
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Pick Up Where Left

Why do you have to pick up where you left off? Why can't you stay where you are & he stay where he is? Start with therapy. meet in the therapist's office. Do the session & leave. Explore slowly. Work up to coffee, dinner another time. Why must you leap back into the relationship where you left off?
Jul 10 - 1PM (Reply to #3)
TraumaMamma
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If I may

My first N, a cop cheated on me in a most public affair of which you can read under my profile. I suspected for years. He would never admit. I found out in HEADLINES via the newspaper as his mistress was a witness in the a case. Not a good way to wake up. My mother in law was the mistresses friend and supported this too and she let this woman take my kids to see my husband when she babysat. Sick all around. Long story short here. I filed. He claimed he was remorseful and even wanted to try and work things out. I rebuffed him. I lost alot. (It's all there) Remarried. New husband and I were together 7 yrs. Civil engineer, Marital artist. Grew apart. Gentle man...he made a mistake and had a one night stand. And he came home and TOLD ME. After he went to our priest and asked for advice. After he was torn up inside....and he dropped to his knees at my chair one day after taking off work and begged me to forgive him and confessed to me what he did and told me our friends knew too that nite. Tears in his eyes. I suspected that nite, but believed him, as he never would lie to me. And we went to counseling and we tried to work on things. But in the end, my schedule and our lives were too incompatible. My last husband, however is STILL my best friend. I talk to him almost every day. Cheating could be recoverable WITH THE RIGHT PERSON. I suppose I could have made it work with my last husband, but we never saw each other with my schedule. He was so lonely. He is happy now and I am closer to my parents. Next door as a matter of fact. Do not beat yourself up that it was YOU. My last husband told me flat out he KNEW it was wrong and felt like SHIT when it happened and when he came home. But it was also the excitement of the "new" thing as well and we were not getting along at the time. And my guy wishes he could have undone it. My narc? Well, he married his mistress. And when I decided I wanted to file? He started hanging out with her more to see how the kids would like her. I guess to groom her for a relationship. Of which he did marry her.

Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "I will try again tomorrow.' --Mary Anne Radmache