Recipient of N Abuse at Over 50 vs. Under 50 - Outcome

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#1 Oct 2 - 7PM
tresor2
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Recipient of N Abuse at Over 50 vs. Under 50 - Outcome

I'm well over 50 and my 8 year N experience has hit me hard, just like everyone else. I'm retired and a grandmother of a 4-year old and have grown kids. I'm working on a couple of other 2nd careers and have yet to learn how to enjoy life in terms of taking it easy, traveling and living stress free.

My assessment is that I've been with 3 N's; the first at age 18 which set the stage, the next at age 30 and the last knuckelhead which occurred in my 50's and was by far the worst due to his high intelligence. Inbetween were a few non-PD's or general assholes.

The reality is that upto my 50's, there was still a realistic hope of finding a healthy partner but now, I know the odds are diminished due to male attritian and people just not wanting to deal with another relationship in later life. I'm past the babymaking stage and my version of the American dream in no way resembles what it did in the past. I'm trying to get rid of possessions, not accumulate them.

I know I will recover but at this age, I doubt there will be a rebounder or someone else. Nobody looks appealing. I'm not ruling it out but, I'm realistic of where I am in life. In the past, I would go out dancing or to a club instead of staying home but not now. "Social" at 50+ does not look like social at 20-50 and yes, I'm aware of the senior dances; no thanks, LOL.

I do not need a "man" to be happy but, it would be nice to have a partner. For me, the grieveing is not only the loss of the N elusion but also the loss of a big part of my life. I just haven't gotten it right in terms of relationships.

As the clouds lift, I'm realizing there is so much more to life than a partner and I'd much rather be alone than with a psycho. I'm just really sad that this nightmare happened so late in life. I am, however, grateful that I continue to move forward and feel I'm finally finding myself.

I know anything is possible; it's all about our thinking. The biggest lesson for me has been learning that nobody but me is responsible for my happiness. To hold another responsible is abusive to them. Am I saying I abused N?...in that sense yes. I blamed him for my suffering but, I had everything to do with it too because I ignored the red flags and was very attached to my agenda.

In conclusion, I know there is no difference in suffering, in terms of age, from N abuse. But my thinking about life is nothing like it was when I was younger. I'm very aware of my own mortality and therefore, I try to live fully in each precious minute of each day. Being with N's results in losing so many precious months and years, with little or no rewards because none of it is real. It's like time spent in orbit at the hands of satin.

And so it is.

Oct 3 - 4PM
lilliandiane
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tresor

I know what you mean--not really looking for a huge romantic love affair, but it'd be nice to have a partner. Turning 60 was rough for me. I used it to really wallop myself in a lot of ways. My N was 49; so of course he didn't want a 60 year old. The bad thing about being this age is feeling much younger inside. Still wanting to be found breaktaking and beautiful. All but 1 grandparent and now my Dad lived to be 84--my mom is turning 81 and still very with it. She married again at 78; my Dad remarried at 60. But it doesn't feel like it will happen for me. I watched an old rerun of Sex and the City last nite about "soulmates" and Carrie turning 35. She had all the same woeful feelings! The girls decided to be their own soul mates. Maybe we could do that here.....
Oct 4 - 12PM (Reply to #24)
tresor2
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lilliandiane,

I understand exactly what you're saying...I'm there too. These guys always have adequate supply; they're never alone. It amazes me how they are able to "play" so many. Nobody is specal and everyone is replaceable if they don't behave. So sick and dehumanizing.
Oct 4 - 1AM (Reply to #23)
Sunafterrain
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Lilli

I never would have guessed you were 60. EVER. You speak with such a youthful type! I guess you're only as old as you feel? maybe it's true!
Oct 3 - 11AM
Susan32
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The Big Picture

You've brought so much wisdom and compassion here... and your insights, especially in this regard, are vital. Freeing yourself from the N has brought to light what YOU really want in relationships. It's a traumatizing experience... but it can also help us get our own priorities straight. "To hold another responsible is abusive"-That's why Ns/Ps put on the whole "victim" act. They see taking responsibility for their own actions as some perverse form of abuse. The fact you hold your N accountable for HIS actions IS abusive, from his perverse perspective. Feel free to abuse him. You were abused. Being responsible for your happiness doesn't get abusers/users off the hook. Dealing with an N before the age of 50 is traumatizing... I met my first Narc when I was 18, and yes, I had fallen in love. It was the first time I had been away from home, I had been sheltered, hadn't dated... and here I was, meeting this handsome older philosopher who seemed interested in me. I was in love. I trusted. The final D&D 4 years later was devastating and shocking. I came out of it numb, distrustful, shocked. When I dealt with my Narc boss for 5 years, what saved me from getting any more hurt was that I wasn't in love, and he was openly in a relationship with another man. Dealing for Ns with 9 years taught me that all that drama is a waste of time. Time is precious, and it was wasted. Still, there is hope and the future is unknown.
Oct 3 - 11PM (Reply to #20)
tresor2
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Susan,

Thanks, at this point, if I ever have contact with him again, I will abuse him, trust me. I appriciate you reminding me of this option. Your are so right, it's all been a waste of time; a total waste. But this blog isn't so I'm grateful it exists.
Oct 4 - 11AM (Reply to #21)
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They have a perverse definition

For an N/P, holding them accountable for their actions is the WORST form of abuse. During the final D&D, I'd be weeping, the ex-Psych prof would tell me I was responsible for my happiness... all as a way to get off the hook. I'd tell him I was APOLOGIZING (I was doing so constantly) and he thought being a teacher somehow exonerated from all responsibility. When I met his girlfriend, all he did was run for the door instead of explain, try to make amends... or do the "let's get away, she's crazy" routine that's beloved among Narcs. Ns/Ps hate responsibility. That's why they shove the blame onto us... they even blame us for their bad behavior (that's why NC is healthy) If they blame you for cheating... it means they're probably cheating. They look for every option to escape responsibility. They are so very, very afraid their victims will trap them so NO excuse will give them an escape valve. It's a waste of time explaining cause/effect as well as responsibility to Ns/Ps. It's a basic even most toddlers understand. My 2 year old nephew will clean up messes he makes on his high chair... and that's MORE than most middle-aged Ns/Ps are willing to do.
Oct 3 - 3PM (Reply to #19)
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Responsibility for one's happiness

I'd clarify, being responsible for one's happiness does NOT mean- 1)An excuse for mistreating others purposefully 2)Condoning abuse I am responsible for my happiness, but that doesn't make emotional abuse OK. NC is the way for taking back one's responsibility for one's happiness. It says "I am responsible for my actions" and in a sense, it dumps back onto the N/P that YES, they are responsible for their actions-whether they like it or not!
Oct 3 - 6AM
WhiteSwan44
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tresor2

I am 45. When I read your post I can easily understand how you feel. When I married my XN, I truly thought he would be my final life mate. I get scared sometimes when I think about my future. What helps me to continue on is knowing I'm in a better place now. While I wish my marriage would have turned out differently, I know I'm where I'm supposed to be. Where life takes me from here is unknown, but, like you, I'm taking it one day at a time. My mom is a great role model for me. My dad passed away 8 1/2 years ago and my mom was devastated for quite some time afterward. But she kept going one day at a time and while she still misses my dad, she is thriving on her own. She tells anyone who asks that at this stage in her life, any man who comes along better be able to put her on a pedestal because she has learned how to put herself first. In other words, she's not willing to sacrifice herself just to have a man in her life. As I become stronger, I start to see the wisdom in her words. I'd rather be alone right now than with a man who doesn't appreciate my greatness. :) HUGS!
Oct 3 - 11PM (Reply to #17)
tresor2
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Swan44,

You're so blessed to have a great mom and that you respect her wisdom. It feels really good when the power starts to return. The CD goes on but is slowly fading while he good feelings come more frequently.
Oct 2 - 11PM
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Never give up your dreams! I

Never give up your dreams! I am 58 now and just recently figured out that my Ns go back to my childhood, starting with WWII - PTSD parents, and even WWI and great depression PTSD grandparents . . . The inequities of our fathers . . . Aware that they too grew up 'under a spell', I look at it as my biggest purpose in life to have these things and insane and dysfunctional behavior pattern brought out in the open and being able to make my children aware, and if nothing else, at least my 2 grandchildren will grow up better now. Love is the answer. I deal with weddings professionally, and the oldest couple I saw getting married were in their 80s, and when they left I watched them walking out of the door hand in hand - just like 2 very happy and excited kids. . . Reading the other posts, I have reached the same point: I am very happy and content by myself now. Though it would be nice to have a partner, I am not willing to give up anything for a man anymore. And I am aware that a man would be entitled to the same kind of respect. As for going out, I guess I have simply lost the illusion that I might be missing out on something when not going. I have met a nice man a few weeks ago (Not on a dating website this time!!), a widower, but all we are doing right now is getting to know each other over coffee one night a week for a good conversation, and it seems to be growing more into a nice friendship - not that immediate feeling of physical attraction that I used to feel, with my 2 husbands in the beginning, and then 2 pretty intense but very insane dating situations in February and June. I am open, but not needy any more.
Oct 3 - 11PM (Reply to #13)
tresor2
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58, We have the WWII

connection. I have no doubt the N spell is in my family too; either that or the PTSD and depression was so bad that it took the form of narcissism. It's good that we both understand it. Getting married at 80; must have been a really wonderful wedding. Glad to read that you're doing so well; it does feel good to no longer be needy. For now, my door is closed to new possibilities and maybe with time, I'll eventually allow it to open again. Healing is the priority.
Oct 4 - 12AM (Reply to #14)
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tresor, I have been out of my

tresor, I have been out of my 20+ years 'subtle' N marriage and living by myself for more than 2,5 years now. The first dating early this year still left me 'heartbroken' for some time - and what a clown he was, still wonder sometimes what I was thinking then, or obviously not thinking at all . . . But the 2nd dating in June/July left me kind of 'ice-cold' and just watching when I realized he was more interested in my 5-year-old granddaughter. That moment I suddenly really saw him for what he was, and there was no feeling left at all, no more 'wanting to be wanted', except for my wanting him to leave my house immediately. I did not even have the urge to say anything to him. And my total silence and just watching him leave was the best way to let him know that I knew his 'hidden agenda'. He was obviously scared to death then. So overall I guess I am emotionally pretty healed. More on this site to understand myself and what was driving me to even look at those sickos . . . and to get feedback and confirmation now and then from others here . . . and a lot to communicate with all of you here and not having to explain and being able to share and get things out as they pop up in me. My kids are all adult, but mostly it is better to share here than with them. They also don't want to hear a lot about their step"father" any more. And still involved in the very nasty (international, kind of) and ugly divorce. The information I found here, and especially Sam Vaknins videos helped me a lot to get better prepared for what to expect then. Being emotionally distant does help a lot with this divorce mess, and I simply know deep inside that, whatever nastiness he may still come up with, I have enough facts to 'out' him in front of the judge, and he cannot hurt or attempt to destroy me any more. I am now someone he never knew and has no clue how to deal with! Time will help you heal as well, and then truly wonder-full(!)things are happening to you!
Oct 4 - 12PM (Reply to #15)
tresor2
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58, Sorry you encountered

the two sickos. I've never been good at the dating game. Tried online once and will never do that again, even though some have luck with it. One of my mistakes was putting all my eggs in one basket. N had multiple partners so when one left, he was never alone. Glad to hear that you are prepared and strong in terms of your divorce. Knowing who you are dealing with will help you tremendously.
Oct 2 - 10PM
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I live with the very real

I live with the very real scary reality, my husband, a super attractive fit 59 year old, may not be around for long. It's been discovered in the last couple of years, that he has heart disease. He doesn't smoke, drink, eats right, all of the good stuff. It's probably congenital. We both view the experience with the narc as a wake up call that brought us close together for the first time. The timing couldn't have been better. Tresor, I know what you are saying about demographics and if anything happens to my husband I am taking myself right out of the dating market and focusing on my friends. I am NOT interested in 'partnership' anymore. I am completely turned off men. The narc made me realize that I have been trying since I was a kid to rationalize the low-grade narcissism in most men. I will not compromise in this way, if my husband shuffles off the mortal coil. No freaking way. I'm done.
Oct 2 - 10PM (Reply to #11)
tresor2
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Enpsychopedia

I'm so sorry to hear about your husband. There are so many medical treatments these days; I hope you find something that can help him. Maybe he'll change as a result of the wake-up call. I've never thought about this way but, the "low-grade narcissism in most men" is a really good description. It's still a man's world.
Oct 2 - 8PM
Sunafterrain
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Tres

I so get it. I'm going to be 48 next month. My mother and my maternal grandparents ALL died at age 53! I'm grieving the same things you are, but also willing to be alone than with a psycho. I probably WOULD be dead at 53 if I'd stayed. They make you physically ill and shorten your life, as well as cause spiritual soul murder. I'm making choices in my life to improve my longevity. I hope it works out. But when I think about the possibility of only living another five years, I feel kinda depressed! I have six children and two boys still left at home. One after next June and 2 grandchildren and one on the way in March. Now THAT is success! I have two dogs I adore, one in particular who is my best friend! I don't know about you, but even with the sadness and such, I have PEACE in my life now. It's very quiet, almost unsettlingly so. I hope your later years bring you LOTS of joy and peace. I think that finding yourself later in life can also be a tremendous gift. You appreciate it MUCH more than when you were younger! HUGS
Oct 2 - 10PM (Reply to #8)
tresor2
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Sun,

Wow, that's really something that they all passed at age 53; it's almost haunting. I never lived with N but my take is that I would be dead today had that happened. I've had a few serious illnesses recently and I attribute that to him and also my daughter who has her own issues. I'm sure you'll be fine; just keep taking good care of yourself and live a gentle life. It's remarkable that you've raised 6 kids and I love dogs too, expecially gordon setters. My peace is evolving; I have good days and not so good days. Part of my problem is that I don't know how to slow down. I go to school, work as an intern, getting back into real estate and insurance plus more. There are days I cherish the quiet; it makes me feel safe. Thanks for your kind words.
Oct 2 - 11PM (Reply to #9)
Sunafterrain
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Tres

I have a weiner dog and a chee wow wow. I go to school too, but you do it ALL! I'm so impressed! I do understand about the quiet helping you feel safe. After the disordered one, quiet is most cherished now. I hope your health stays stable and that you get to enjoy the rest of a LONG life!
Oct 2 - 8PM
Winter
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Tresor

I personally know many people who met their life partner after 50 and are leaving very happy together. Maybe you just don’t feel ready yet. This is just normal holding in mind you spent 8 years with a narc. Another thing I wanted to share with you is the fact that in opposite to what people usually think, it seems like the happiest people are those approaching their 60. I read it a year ago. I cannot recall where exactly. “Scientific American Mind” or “Psychology Today”, something like that. The article said it is a big myth that younger people are happier. Researchers showed exactly the opposite. I think the consequences of narc abuse live us all thinking like nothing good is there for us anymore. Fortunately it is just temporary. When I broke it up 4 months ago, I felt exactly the same as you. Nothing good will ever happen to me. I am 41. Love Winter
Oct 2 - 11PM (Reply to #6)
tresor2
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Winter

You are still very young but, I remember that when my 1st narc broke up with me when I was 21, I accused him of taking the best years of my life, LOL. The news about happy people is very encouraging. Actually after my dad passed 10 years ago, my mom found a new boyfriend at age 75. He ended up being a mental case but, she was happy for a number of years. The article makes sense. Approaching 60 and thereafter is the third third of life and there is much to look forward to. Hopefully, kids are on their own and the pension is enough. That's about the time I began questioning the purpose of life and what is meaningful. I probably would have been happy had I not taken the fork in the road to narc hell. Maybe I'll get there in my 60's; it doesn't really matter. Glad you are able to keep NC for 4 months; that's about how much I have too. I can feel the changes in my attitude but, they come slowly. I'm actually beginning to have sporadic feelings of happiness or optimism. Still have a ways to go, though. Thank you for your words of hope and support.
Oct 2 - 8PM
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tresor2

I am 45 and I feel the same way you do. He is in his 50's , but I don't think age matters to them at all.
Oct 2 - 10PM (Reply to #2)
tresor2
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Needing

I agree, I don't think age in a partner matters to them. It's more about what they're after, whether it be money status, connections, sex, etc. But, many of those who are obsessed with image pick younger partners as they age, once they D & D the old partner. That's the world we live in.
Oct 3 - 1AM (Reply to #3)
Sea
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Its true. They think they

Its true. They think they never age so they keep picking NS from his "most glamour" era, the time he is frozen in. My exN's career took off in his 30s, tho he is now 50s he looks for NS in their 30s. I am 1 of 30s NS. He is 20+years older than me. To be honest, I am very very damaged at the end of this. Tho I am in my 30s, I felt the same weariness and feeling tired. I cannot even imagine dating again and starting again, too daunting but i still hope to heal and be able to trust people again. We can heal, must hold on this regardless of our age. As to whether we go on to have another relationship or not, we learn to live happily without N madness. Hugs
Oct 3 - 4PM (Reply to #4)
lilliandiane
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Sea

Right on!