RE: It is not about him- OP

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#1 Jul 29 - 6AM
BlueMoon
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RE: It is not about him- OP

I am not quite sure how my sentiments got twisted around to the point where people interpreted that I was labeling, judging, blaming, whatever.

Yes, I have done plenty of research. And lived it.

I wish the best of everything to everyone! Thank you for your support, insight and information..

Aug 3 - 4PM
Klarity Belle
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Betty2020

These 3 threads should clear up what you have missed. The differences have been well aired and talked through, it's looking hopeful that these issues won't cause so much misinterpretation/disruption in future. http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2010/07/25/it-not-about-him http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2010/07/30/differing-opinions-board-members-acceptance http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2010/07/30/k-i-am-confused-which-camp-do-i-belong ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran "That which we do not confront in ourselves we meet as fate" ~ Carl Jung http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4

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"The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran

"That which we do not confront in ourselves we meet as fate" ~ Carl Jung

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Aug 3 - 11PM (Reply to #18)
betty2020
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Thank you Klarity, Your post

Thank you Klarity, Your post regarding the two different camps is spot on. We have had this on the board all along. However, since the change, we have decided that we should be one of open voice format. We have varying opinions on this. Personally i feel that there is a middle area to both camps that is more likely on target. I dont think it is written in the Narcs bi laws to target any specific group of people. They will simply target what ever will give them a satisfying supply with the least amount of effort. We all agree they dont really like to have to put a lot of effort into anything they do. They will for short period of time to get what they need. However, In the long term they need their victims to be submissive to them. They have to maintain control. A women that has strict and ridged boundaries is not good for them. Now heres the oxymoron; they love those that are smart witty, attractive, and a challenge. The strong personality type. They want to feel like they have conquered a great catch. This is why when you look at most on the board they tend to be successful and carrying the quality's of interest to them. So they want you to carry all of those strong traits but be ready to concede to their needs, wants and desires at the drop of a hat. This is simply impossible. We go into the relationship believing that we have found the perfect person. We feel stong and secure. When this begins to change it throws us the red flag. We go into survival defense mode. Confusion sets in because we are now acting and behaving in ways that our against our values and moral. It goes against our belief system. We internally know its not us but we continue anyway. We may come from previous abusive relations, had bad childhoods or been raised in the Hamptons with no knowledge of the evil that lurks out in the real world. This has no bearing on anything. They will not discriminate you as long as you can be that supply that fits that need in them for the moment. What takes place after the initial charm phase of courting is a slow but methodical form of Ambient Abuse. We dont see what is actually happening. In time it erodes our self esteem and causes us to second guess ourselves and our judgment. Now were hooked. Then the D&D begins. And before you know it were used up and thrown away like an old sock. We served the purpose for the time they needed us. Thats all we are is a used up object. So when we look at both camps we do agree that it is never our fault and as far as the types they target well i just dont think we can honestly label that in one category. I think there is one thing we can all agree on, once they rope you in the damage they cause is insurmountable. You can be strong and secure going in but i assure you that by the time you leave you are train wreck. Im glad this was resolved. I think the fact that we have changed our format has allowed for so many varying opinions and this diversity is what makes our place special..... only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Aug 4 - 6AM (Reply to #19)
BlueMoon
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The Hamptons- a funny side note...

I do indeed live in the Hamptons and believe me, there are plenty of nutjobs and N's here year-round, haha! My poor kids get hassled everyday (with slurs like, gay, stupid jew, spic), and the men and women here are even more crazy...the summer visitors from the city are uber-narcs, and the locals are so sequestered and "inbred" that we constantly have our share of racial strife, drunk driving, wacko cops and crack houses. The disparity of wealth makes it even more apparent. The Hamptons year-round are the perfect place for the marginal and disenfranchised to escape and disappear...we have a VERY strange alchemy of unbalanced ex-pats from normal society..and we are of course the home to a very famous Narc- Peter Cook, who slept with his 16 year old assistant (whose parents I know) and drove Christie Brinkley crazy! (I believe Kourtney Kardashian's new husband is also from the Hamptons, and he is a HOT mess of N-ness.) And in the summer, EVERY narc who needs superficial attention comes out of the woodwork...ridiculously expensive cars start zooming down the streets, nightclubs overflow with those who need to be seen, and patrons of local businesses treat locals in the service industry like total crap. Hence, the kids and I go to more local, less chic beaches, and I never frequent hotspots. Likewise, I rarely frequent the "local" bars, where the people are just as crazy and feel just as entitled in the reverse. There is homelessness here, a huge gang and drug problem, and the domestic violence shelters are jam packed. Beautiful area, with lots of history- whaling, fishing, farming, etc. Incredible beaches...But seeing a woman walk into 7-11 in a thong (like I did last week) just reminds me of the demographic! Seeing a toothless guy with a mullet on the corner waiving a sign about "them Mexicans" also makes me insane. And let's not forget the fact that the town insignia is a pilgrim, where there still exists an Indian reservation that felt the arrogance of white settlers first-hand. OY!
Aug 4 - 8AM (Reply to #20)
betty2020
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WoW,, I think i should

WoW,, I think i should retract that statement about the Hamptons....lol I just love you Bluemoon...Your sense of humor and ability to take life in stride is remarkable. Your a very grounded person for all that you have been through. xoxoxoxo only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Aug 4 - 8AM (Reply to #21)
BlueMoon
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hahaha!

...not that I'm complaining, haha!!! Thank you so much Betty- right back atcha!!! xoxo
Aug 3 - 3PM
betty2020
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im sorry i must have missed

im sorry i must have missed something....could someone fill me in? you can email me if you like. jnxoxo20@yahoo Hope everything is ok now....xooxoxoo only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Jul 30 - 4PM
BlueMoon
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Hi Again!

Back from the beach! Thanks again, and believe me, no hurt feelings here! But thank you so much for being so kind! I absolutely know it is about the topic and not me- nothing personal taken. :) I agree- my topic is incendiary...and those are always the topics that can bring up emotion. I backed away so that I didn't potentially hurt anyone. All of the people on here are so special and deserve only the very best. I wish I didn't have to wait until I was 40 to figure some of this out, and it is a constant process, yes?? MUCH love!
Jul 30 - 4PM (Reply to #15)
hitandrun
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Blue Moon

Never meant to offend or cause you any grief. I still stick by my choices and beliefs. Instead of reposting everything, I stated it on Klarity Belle's post. Personally, I am thankful we can agree to disagree. And I'm glad you've done the research and sorry for anyone who has lived it. We do what works for us. And I'm in my 40's, and wish I had known about these con-artist, disordered personalities earlier. They are con-artist...they con you, and they con themselves. Really clueless about this phenomenon until it happened to me. Hope more education can be made available. I for one, am committed to it.
Jul 30 - 1PM
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BlueMoon

Hi:) I was one that disagreed with things that you wrote in that previous thread. I hope I didn't come across as rude. I do still highly believe what I wrote in that thread, but I don't want you to feel anything I wrote was a personal attack on you. I was just stating my opinion on the discussion. "This community is recovering from a rather severe, one sided, "enforced" point of view." Breisis - no need to keep bringing this up. Right? We have different opinions and that's ok. Right? Please accept my apology if I have offended you in any way:) xoxo
Jul 30 - 1PM
Briseis
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Dear BlueMoon, When you open

Dear BlueMoon, When you open up a topic, as you did, it will get taken in all kinds of unexpected directions by the folks responding. It is such a wonderful topic, just for that reason! Of course you didn't intend for it to be a labelfest, bashfest. But each person always has a different "take" upon it, and it's not your responsibility for how the topic "turns out". What your post did was inspire people's personal experiences and thoughts to be spoken. This is a wonderful thing. You threw the ball into the game, and then what happens to the ball, and the game, is not about you but about the group. Obviously there are themes of bashing and labeling that exist in this community. This community is recovering from a rather severe, one sided, "enforced" point of view. It is a growing, evolving community. The issues of labeling and bashing, judging and blaming are REAL issues and they co-exist with the more "healthy" issues. It's simply about human beings bringing what is within them to the table. I do not recommend or "want" bashing and blaming to prevail, and don't like it when it rears it's ugly head in any manner. But there it is. It's less about "you" than it is about a recovery process within this community. Your topic is a very, very important one!! The very important ones ALWAYS get a little scary LOL!! I've been a member of several well established support forums and it's like this all over. It is a measure of the community's cohesion and sense of "safety" that the uglier aspects are brought to the table. No, it's not PLEASANT lol, it's just REAL. ((((((((((BlueMoon)))))))))))
Jul 30 - 7AM
KB2
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(((BlueMoon)))

Bluemoon, I am sorry to hear you are feeling hurt by differing opinions shared here on the board, I can understand why you feel your words have been misinterpreted. I think perhaps it was your comment in your original thread that triggered feelings of offense. "A healthy man is a man who is attracted to confidence, boundaries, a woman who can protect herself. Once a woman has those skills, the losers automatically drop out of the race because they know that you are impervious." While what you are saying is completely true, healthy men are attracted to these qualities and run of the mill losers drop out of the race, it is not the case with an NPD/P - if there isn't a wounded woman on hand, he will happily start chipping away at a healthy one until he finds a chink to worm his way in and start bringing her down. I think in many ways it is these women who were otherwise for the most part secure and healthy before the narc attack, find the feelings of desolation afterwards so completely alien as opposed to those of us who were serially abused and kind of used to it long before the narc/spouse/partner came along. Your intentions were honest and came from a good place, you have been genuine in speaking up in recent posts about how it is for you, please don't disappear from the board, you are a valued long time member. Hugs Klarity Belle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran "That which we do not confront in ourselves we meet as fate" ~ Carl Jung http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4 (KB2 temporary account)
Jul 30 - 7AM (Reply to #2)
NancyM
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Agree

I totally agree with Klarity. Us that thought it was normal, were not knocked for the sixer (cricket term) that the others were. It is just a different set of cicumstances. I kind of feel really sorry for those that got blindsided. Dumb attitude in some ways, I should really feel sorry for myself. Kind of laughable really.

Nevergoback

Jul 30 - 1PM (Reply to #3)
BlueMoon
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hi there!

Hey ladies! Thanks so much for writing! That is so sweet of you and very appreciated! Honestly, rather than being hurt, I just felt like retreating would be the wise move, as I certainly did not want to make anyone else feel bad. Just because I stand by my statments does not mean that there aren't any other possibilities... Maybe it is my terse style of writing, learned from years of legal writing and journalism.It can be seen as being rigid maybe. The statement about healthy men being attracted to a certain type of woman is I think true...in general, a man who has his head together is seeking the same. My comment about abusers and who they target should be clarified...abusers will of course see if they can get over on anyone, but each and every predator has their own predilictions of course. When I say that they move on to the next person when we are impervious (for me that means something different than to someone else)? It is akin to then paying no mind to someone who gives them no supply. No attention, no feedback whether it be postive or negative. My sister was with a guy when she was in her 20s and they had a torturous 4 year relationship in which after the breakup she always wondered what if... Almost a deacde later they meet up, start dating...entertaining his phone calls, going out for dinner, no sex though, as per her decision. She was just living her life as the grown woman she had become...and then the subtle mind fuck began...I saw her fall into it a bit for a few weeks...saw a glimpse of that beaten down girl she once was years ago with him. Suddenly, she texts me and said "ooops! I almost drank the kool aid!" I was SOOOO f*cking PROUD of her! My very powerful in business making big bucks a year sister said she started to notice feelings of self-doubt, body dysmorphia, sadness, anxiety,...all when this asshole came back into her life. She cut it off in a New York minute. She didn't want to...she still loves him, but she did it anyway. Didn't try to change him, didn't try to change for him. My beautiful sister is now with a great guy, who she can act silly in front of, eat as much chocolate around, thinks she is brilliant and gorgeous when she wakes up with no makeup on, but also calls her out on her shit occassionally in a rational, constructive, kind way...she said that it "feels right with this guy...and she can really notice the difference..." My sis has boundaries now, a strong sense of self and trust in her own insticts, and she knows how to protect herself and her kids. Is she vulnerable? Yes, with people who deserve her trust. She is kind, empathetic, loving and was raised in a fucked-up household...yet she triumphed anyway. And the asshole? He is pissed off! But he ain't coming around! This is an example to what I was referring to in my comment. Are there many other permutations and experiences? Absolutely. Thanks again, chicas! And as for the concept of being pissed off at oneself, or any variation of self-blame...NO way! Don't we all do the best we can with what we know? In yoga, any negative person is seen as a yogi...a teacher...giving us a lesson...about what we dont want in our lives, how to avoid it in the future, and most importantly, what we DO want for ourselves. Please excuse typos, blah blah, cause I am on my cell, watching two kids in either direction, with the sun in my eyes, typing in the tiniest print! Xoxoxo
Jul 31 - 11PM (Reply to #10)
hitandrun
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"ooops! I almost drank the kool aid!"

That text is priceless : )
Aug 3 - 12PM (Reply to #11)
BlueMoon
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The best!

Hi! Yes, isn't that the best? She is very witty! Feel free to use with reckless abandon- no trademark, haha!
Jul 31 - 8PM (Reply to #4)
almostlydia
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I totally agree with all the

I totally agree with all the above. No offense intended ever. Your post above is one I can truly appreciate and kudos for your admirable sister. Perfect summation for all of us 'ooops, I almost drank the kool aid'. Perfect. I'm looking forward to some time at the beach next week myself and I can't wait.

almostlydia

Aug 3 - 12PM (Reply to #5)
BlueMoon
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Beach

Isn't the beach great? For me always restorative! Have the best time!
Aug 3 - 1PM (Reply to #6)
Used
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kool aid question

what does the refrence,s to kool aid, i am assuming its a drink ,but dont understand it.
Aug 3 - 3PM (Reply to #7)
almostlydia
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It's when that crazy cult

It's when that crazy cult leader,Jim Johnson, (???) I think there have been more than one, got all of his followers to drink poison kool-aid in a huge group suicide thing. He had them all so mindf*cked they followed him to the death just because he said do it. Kool- aid is a flavored powder mixed with water we used to always drink when we were kids.

almostlydia

Aug 3 - 9PM (Reply to #8)
hitandrun
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Koolaid reference

almostlydia you were very close. It was Jim Jones. Scary, scary stuff.
Aug 3 - 9PM (Reply to #9)
almostlydia
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thanks, I knew it didn't

thanks, I knew it didn't sound quite right. amazing i missed that since that's my ex KeN's last name:)

almostlydia