Question for Barbara...what about the ones that control their rage?

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#1 Apr 23 - 8PM
Monica
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Question for Barbara...what about the ones that control their rage?

Mine, I believe, was an intellectual narcissist, not a somatic. I ever saw him enraged. He would always tell me, "You will never see me angry." And, yet, I saw rage in his eyes. When he talked about his mother (who abandoned the family when xN/P was a very young child), when he talked about his father (who never had time for him when he was a child), when he talked about certain people who were "challenging" his want and need to do anything he wanted to, whenever he wanted to. His eyes definitely had rage in them...and it was quite frightening. But I never saw him lose his temper, never saw him loose his cool, except in his eyes. Fire and rage. Barbara...what is this all about? How can an N/P who is filled with rage and anger learn to control it? And if they feel entitled to do and say whatever they want without consequence in other areas of their lives, why would my xN/P bother to control his rage and anger?

Apr 25 - 10AM
Belinda
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HI After I told him No

HI After I told him No Contact (Like 2 yrs into the decade of crazycontolling abuse) because of physical abuse, he was able to contol the outright identifable raging physical abuse, cause he said that he didn't need to use "it" anymore cause theres other ways to control me! kept on that this relationship just won't work unless I am submissive and I don't need to control you, you control yourself.(so I believed) yes by then even the threat of abuse did control me to an extent among the other effective tactics. But he did continue to use rage disguised, like the cold killing stare I have never ever experience or have witness in any other human being, but he would be physicaly aggressive in other ways, like always pushing me, poking or jabbing me, grabbbing me,kick or throw me, knock into me while I was near the stove or coffee tables etc. >>>> hey I guess he did continue with the physical abuse...just that it wasn't as extreme as I had experience before!!! Hey I am now 4 mths NO contact and just as I am writing this now I went from he stopped the physical abuse to just now realizing that he really didn't!! Wow I am amazed at all the denial I seem to be very good at it. :)
Apr 25 - 9AM
agnesmurphy17
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Psychopath

I read an entry on the internet written by a fellow who said he was a psychopath. He wrote that a narcissist explodes in rage to intimidate the object to submit to his will. A psychopath, on the other hand, lies in wait. Gets what he wants calmly. So superior to the narcissist & to the person from whom he is extracting. The psychopath reveals himself the day he springs the trap. That is the day he is no longer interested in the object & discards it. Reveals himself, so to say, to the devastation of the one who has been used, manipulated & trusting. That's how a psychopath gets his jollies. They feel so superior to all of us & use our own emotions against ourselves, getting us to submit & to empty our lifeblood into them on the tawdry belief of love. These cold fish are evil. Anybody who talks in that superior tone of voice that the woman cannot control her emotions--that man is a snake, an evil person.
Apr 25 - 11AM (Reply to #12)
Nothanx
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psychopath or narc?

My psycho/narc never raged over the things that would piss off the "normal" person, but he got huffy over really small, insignificant things. I could yell at him and tell him he was a pathetic, cross dressing fagot, and he would totally act like no big deal. On the other hand, when I out did him on a cheesecake recipe and got more compliments than he did when he made cheesecake, he got pissy and insulting. The weird thing is that it is hard for me to see him as pure evil psychopath because he has such a child like aura about him (spoiled brat,sneaky or just been punished feel sorry for me child qualities). His actions suggest he is way into the psychopath realm, but I can never see him harming any one physically, or he would never stab anyone in the back at work. He gets mad if someone out shines him or seems more intelligent than him, but he is very honest and always pays his share (in fact he is fanatical about his credit) he is actually overly generous. He makes no sense!!! Just when I put him in the narc category, I remember something that makes me think he is more of a psychopath.
Apr 24 - 12PM
narcsurvivor
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Mine was also 'proud' of his

Mine was also 'proud' of his ability to control his anger (he did lose his temper a few times though) and would frequently berate me for not having any control over my anger. Once I learned anger management, though, he could no longer hold this over my head although he would do his best to instigate with his incessant need to debate every little thing; there was no having a normal conversation with him.
Apr 25 - 3AM (Reply to #10)
Gayreena
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Controlling his temper

GayB Hi there. I just joined here today. I can really relate to controlling of temper. My soon to be X still to this day will sit in front of me with his legs crossed and still demand eye contact and complete silence as he cool and calmly continued to get his point across. His sentences always start with "I know that in your emotional state of mind you may not understand this so I am going to explain it as simply as I can". He would stay calm at all times while my fury would just build up inside of me. Trying hard to control my responses so I don't go into a rage. Feels impossible but some how have to do it.

GayB

Apr 24 - 1PM (Reply to #9)
woundedsoul36
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exactly mine too...because

exactly mine too...because he could control everything about himself: his anger, his "so called feelings", his behavior..he ws really proud of that and if my tone even climbed one octave higher as to even show I was getting frustrated with him or potentially getting angry..he would also berate me (calmly) and told me I needed to control myself and my emotions. Expressing myself with passion and emotion would repulse him and he just wouldn't speak to me for a few days "until I could regain control of myself" SMH unreal
Apr 23 - 11PM
miinx
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mine was so proud to be

mine was so proud to be passive aggressive. he bragged about it as if it were a positive trait. he was a big fan of making snide comments and going for the jugular with an offhand, cold, hurtful comment... then refusing to even acknowledge you, as if you were below him. His voice would be emotionless, but his eyes would be so cold and hateful. My own mother even commented on it when I was in the hospital, crying for him to comfort me, and he just stood on the opposite end of the room staring blankly at me, as if to say "how dare you inconvenience and embarrass me by being here, being so sick - you deserve nothing". I only ever saw him lose his cool once - towards the end of the relationship, when I had completely given up, and feeling completely alone, isolated from my family a thousand miles away, with no car, no money of my own (he had managed to guilt me into quitting my job so i could be his perfect stay at home stepford wife), and unable to see my friends.. only forced to answer to him and beg him for everything, had begun confiding in a male friend via instant messages while he was gone at work.. and let things get too far in my desperation, loneliness, and intense need at that point to be understood and cared for by someone.. anyone. That was when he lost it, and frankly I had seen such a lack of emotion from him that I was scared for my life. He broke my cellphone when I tried to call for help - he grabbed it from my hand and threw it onto the ground, left my arms black and blue, and nearly broke down the bathroom door trying to get to me after I locked myself in to try to call anyone i could. He ended up throwing me out the door of our apartment in the cold with no shoes and locking me out for 2 hours while he threw every item i owned into a giant pile on the middle of the floor. It was horrifying... like years of welled up rage and hate were just pouring out of him.
Apr 23 - 8PM
Barbara (not verified)
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ask yourself...

control rage? or more COVERT and Passive Aggressive in expressing it? ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
Apr 23 - 8PM (Reply to #2)
Monica
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Barbara...you have given me something to think about

I always thought he just controlled it. I never saw him yell or get loud or mad or openly upset. Could it have been redirected in belittling and using others, which he did all the time, to me and many others? Could he have been "diverting" the rage in other ways? I never really thought about this too much. I just assumed he had learned to "control" it. But now that you mention it....maybe he just diverted it in other ways?
Apr 24 - 12AM (Reply to #6)
Barbara (not verified)
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Covert Aggression

read: http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopaths_in_sheeps_clothing.htm ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
Apr 23 - 10PM (Reply to #5)
quietude (not verified)
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monica

Oh yes, rage doesn't have to come in the form of screaming and kicking over furniture. My ex was a very covert N. The rage was always underlying, and came out in subtle ways. Piercing looks, withdrawing, withholding, silent treatment, subtle criticisms. He was really good at throwing me off balance just enough, and then saying or doing something to lure me back to thinking he was all that. He was goooood. Disgusting piece of trash...
Apr 23 - 8PM (Reply to #3)
Scooters Mom
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diverting

Mine told me that he changed for me, he used to blow up and scare the crap out of everyone around in a rage. He did change and only did that on occasion but I dont think he stopped he just (evolved) and found a new way to control people. He experimented and found that you dont have to blow up you can control people with ignoring or breaking their self confidence or??? So to me it seems more dangerous that he no longer blew up. Kind of like catch em off guard.
Apr 23 - 9PM (Reply to #4)
woundedsoul36
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mine was def. covert at

mine was def. covert at passive/aggressive games but he also could control his rage. he has told me he is a control freak and that "control and I are like brothers." I've only seen him rage twice and he was calm but it was a straight out verbal assault and rather vicious. I think with the varying degrees of the disorder that some may have better impulse control than others-maybe??