psychopath vs narcassist

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#1 Mar 17 - 12PM

fierflie

psychopath vs narcassist

can we talk about this and can you guys offer insight?
I see very few good articles and some of them seem to contradict eachother and say different things.
What do you guys see this as? Some people say narcs do have SOME degree of empathy... other say no, it's about being violent. What are ya'lls takes?

#2 Mar 19 - 5PM

Amazed

Look at their word salad

Did you ever get the feeling that there was something twisted, very very manipulative about the communication of the Narc/Psychopath. Did you have the feeling that they combined and distintigrated your thought process? Was communication very unclear with them? Did you get the feeling that they had very very calculated, not normal statements to you, that would seem odd, and push you away yet draw you in? The communication feature is indicative of a psychopath. Their brain is not like everyone else, they see the world as only for them, they have NO regard for anyone else. NO LOVE. Even of their children, their family. They make you go crazy. Narcissists are just that, Narcissists. They are in love with themselves. Psychopaths take it a step furter. The do more extreme, hurtful behaviors. Imagine the mentality of someone who would lead a double, triple life, not offer child support for their children, con woman out of their homes, their money, their time. THAT is a psychopath. Imagine a guy who is too gorgeous for himself. He spends more time in the mirror, and shopping than you do. He is vain and conceited, and arrongant (like a psychopath is) However he does not necessarily calulate to SEE YOU SUFFER The PYSCOPATH DELIGHTS to bring SUFFERING onto others. They calculate it FROM THE BEGINNING AND WATCH YOU GO DOWN THE ENTIRE WAY

#3 Mar 19 - 9AM

Susan32

Weird obsessions

My former Narc boss had normal hobbies. I was able to talk about music with him. He liked pastries;he had been a chef who did desserts. He had cats. My Narc grandmother likes Food Network, old movies, she also had cats. Narcs seem to be able to have NORMAL hobbies/interests. On the other hand, the ex-Psych professor was obsessed with what women ate. He'd talk about Margie Profet, a scientist who had theories about menstruation&pregnancy, and that women ate certain foods to protect themselves from men's sperm. The ex-P would spend class endlessly talking about what pregnant women ate... luckily a classmate cracked and asked if he was pregnant. (That went over well with him like Philly cheese steak at a vegan potluck) He would mock Margie Profet. Profet was a beautiful, talented scientist. The eerie twist to this whole story is that Profet disappeared in Cambridge, Massachusetts, 6 years ago. He was also fascinated with suicide. He mocked Valery Lesarov, the Russian scientist who had made some mistakes when it came to Chernobyl (Lesarov did keep the situation from being worse)-and who received honors in '96. Lesarov had killed himself 2 years after Chernobyl. He would repeat what Arthur Schopenhauer said about suicide being the highest act of the will. He'd talk about how Tolstoy&Wittgenstein were suicidal. He was fascinated with Grant Hadwin, the environmentalist logger who cut down the Golden Spruce, and who mysteriously disappeared back in '97. The ex-P early on wanted to get me pregnant as if it were a science experiment. He'd talk about how he loved the idea of a strong woman being rendered helpless by pregnancy. He thought women wouldn't leave him if he got them pregnant. Around the time I went NC&left NM, he got his curator girlfriend pregnant.

#4 Mar 19 - 11AM (Reply to #10)

fierflie

susan

see, my x had interests and hobbies. i think maybe he was just a really bad narc?

#5 Mar 19 - 9AM (Reply to #9)

IncognitoBurrito

Susan

"The ex-P would spend class endlessly talking about what pregnant women ate... luckily a classmate cracked and asked if he was pregnant." I LOL'd!

#6 Mar 18 - 12AM

michele115 (not verified)

An Article that kinda sums it up

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2011/02/narcissism-dsm.aspx

#7 Mar 17 - 4PM

michele115 (not verified)

Fierflie

Narcs have some degree of empathy? Where did you find this? I'm curious... Are they psychopaths? From my understanding there are so many terms floating, no one knows what the word for the day is or how to treat it which is WHY they will in the DSM be using the umbrella term PSYCOPATH and consolidating all the PDI's into one category because the symptoms OVERLAP between them all. From there they will assign I presume a range or degree of sorts. So, from what I understand, that question can't be answered, as you read different articles, you can't get tied up too much into the semantics or label so to speak but the meat of the article, the symptoms, behaviors etc... That's what I have understood to be the issue.

#8 Mar 17 - 4PM

Susan32

Some significant differences

Narcs tend to have a sense of conscience; Psychs do NOT. Psychs have violent tendencies. Many Narcs were the result of their upbringing-whereas it tends to be neurological issues with Psychs. I'll put it this way. Both my former Narc boss and my Narc grandmother have owned cats. They took good care of their cats. My former Narc boss even took in a cat that had been terribly abused. The ex-Psych professor said he didn't own pets because animals were scared of him. Animals can be very intuitive when it comes to people-they can't be lied to. In the documentary "Grizzly Man", Timothy Treadwell, who was devoured by bears in Alaska along with his girlfriend, was often confused with the bears. The bears saw him as another predator. In a sense, he was. He lied about his upbringing, betrayed his friends. I felt *SAFE* with my former Narc boss and my Narc grandmother. Nothing left me feeling incredibly anxious. They didn't give off that vibe. I never felt safe with the ex-P. He would've had to put on an Oscar-winning performance to get me into bed (and he was lazy) Sometimes I'd be staring him down. My body would literally tense up. My former Narc boss had a sense of honesty. He had a boyfriend. He didn't lie about it. It was a long-distance relationship... they live about 2 hours apart. The ex-P would ogle men instead of women in my presence, say he felt more comfortable with men, liked it when I was tomboyish--but he spewed venom about gays. He hated gays with a flaming passion. Psychopaths are extreme Narcs.

#9 Mar 19 - 7PM (Reply to #5)

MandyM

I agree with this. My ex

I agree with this. My ex was/is arrogant, selfish, self-centered, immature, a liar, and an all-around asshole. But I never, ever felt unsafe with him.

#10 Mar 17 - 2PM

Hunter

Fierflie

Here's the deal, I think it all clusers together, suck of it will answer this better! All I know is I feel like shit you feel like shit and there is no way to fix these creatures! I'm sick of feeling like this I'm sure you are too! So what are we going to do about it? Honestly, we have to let this pass and worry about us and not them! Not having an Ideal Day :(

#11 Mar 17 - 1PM

IncognitoBurrito

Fireflie

There are so many overlapping characteristics, it's hard for me to tell. It's my understanding that all psychopaths are also narcissists, but that not all narcissists are psychopaths. By and large, I find that I'm still confused about a lot of disorders, and their origins. I don't know right now, jury's still out here. I just know to avoid generally toxic people of all kinds. I'll see if I can dig up any articles or videos on this. It's quite interesting stuff to research. There are so many layers, it seems endless.

#12 Mar 17 - 5PM (Reply to #2)

mystwoman

That is my understanding as

That is my understanding as well. All psychopaths are narcissists. However, not all narcissists are psychopaths. From what I've both read and seen, narcissists have a very high need for attention, admiration, and surface appearances are important to them. Thus, they have very shallow self-concocted images of themselves, and are always trying to look good in front of others to suit their own needs (no matter what the cost to anyone else). Psychopaths are more calculating, totally indifferent about "appearances", and are ruthlessly sadistic. They actually enjoy causing pain to others. The link below is a pretty good description, IMO (accept that I disagree with sentence about narcissists not being evil - personally I think xnh is quite evil.): http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/7-10-2006-101743.asp Xnh is more of a narcissist. He thrives on attention, and is always looking out for his image. He is totally self-absorbed. Xnh just LOVES to build himself up by tearing someone else down. He cannot tolerate being alone. He's always got NS lined up for himself whenever and wherever possible. Xnh is cruel in a mostly self-centered delusional way. Xnh will lie, cheat, manipulate...whatever it takes to maintain his appearance of being "right" or the "good guy". Since he's always the "good guy" in his mind, there always must be a "bad guy". Xnh is very quick to point fingers at exactly who that person should be (in his twisted little mind, not reality). For the past 16 years, that "bad" person has frequently been me according to him. Everything was always my "fault". Xnh always portrays himself as blameless and a "little victim". lol. Xnh's oldest daughter is a psychopath. She is calculating and outright cruel. Xnh's hideous P daughter simply does not care about "appearances". She will do anything and everything she wishes without a backward glance. The only thing that matters to her is whether or not she gets caught. For her, there is no concept of "right" or "wrong", just whether or not she can get away with something without any inconvenience to herself. If she can get away with something, it's alright with her. She also is sadistic. I caught her deliberately shocking one of my dogs with an anti-bark collar to the point where he was screaming on the floor in pain. When I walked in on her, the look of absolute glee on her face was totally disturbing. She was hurting the dog and thoroughly enjoying it. The girl had absolutely no remorse for her actions. She was angry that I caught her, and when I told xnh about the incident, she told him that *I* was lying and making it all up. He believed her. She's an extension of his self-image, so of course, she can do no wrong. Not HIS child. Barf. The way that I kind of see the difference is that a psychopath is pretty much a narcissist on steroids. They are kind an "uber narc". IMO, both are dangerous, toxic, and to be avoided.

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