We know they are bad.. why so hard to let go?

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#1 Jun 25 - 7PM
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We know they are bad.. why so hard to let go?

I have spent hours upon days upon months upon years with this question and 7 years with and without my N. Currently in the devaluation phase of a cycle, been 2 months with No Contact and hoping this is the end. I had a rough day today, meaning trying very hard to NOT call him (bad habit). I've accumulated 60 "checks" in my journal for good behavior--each check is a day with NC, and don't want to wipe out my good effort. I keep reminding myself that showing him I don't give a damn is the ultimate revenge.

So, I think I have finally answered my own question and realized that for me, I kept going back after these awful cycles because I WAS WAITING AND HOPING FOR HIM TO VALIDATE WHAT WE HAD ALL THESE YEARS WAS REAL. Of course this validation never came. As a matter of fact, each time I went back it was easier for him to devalue me again because he was being conditioned to me coming back after each time, and I was being conditioned to go. One big manipulation..

No matter how bad it got, it seemed I was always the one to apologize or gloss over what had transpired and he was always waiting (lurking) for me to make the call. I can see now that this was the ultimate supply source for him.. He would lie, mistreat me, put me on a pedestal and then devalue and discard, I would go away, only to keep returning for a repeat of the cycle.

I was teaching him that his behavior was okay, and it was anything but.. I know he is waiting for me again. You would think knowing what I do it would be easier, and some days it is. On other days it is pure hell.. I am in the anger stage now, realizing just how bad he is. I have written down all the bad things from the last 7 years and read it every time I almost feel like calling him again. Does anyone else feel compelled to call their N, even though they know he is a very bad person?

I can only make the comparison to the story of "Dracula". He seduced his victims first in a very smooth manner, then sucked their blood. His victims actually enjoyed it for awhile, and they eventually lost their own souls/who they were before, and became vampires themselves.

The Narcs are different then ordinary lying, cheating men. They need to feed and the cycle of valuing, devaluing, discarding and then starting it again is just a way to recycle the same supply source over and over again. You MUST do NC to stop being fed upon.

The "N's.... they stalk the earth without a soul, inhumans...yes?

Jun 25 - 9PM
grossot
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Debra, The loss we feel when

Debra, The loss we feel when leaving a N is similar to grieving the death of a loved one. Obviously, you have mourned this man's "false self" more than once. You are torturing yourself. Also, these people are more fun than a "normal" person. So it is harder to be without that "perfect person" than when you break up with a "normal person". Do what Amy and I did. Change your phone number. I have to provide my N with a contact number because of our daughter (my parent's home where I'm staying)but he does not, I repeat, does NOT have to have my cell phone number. He can call work or home. He thought he got me in trouble with the courts b/c I refused to give him my cell....well, truth hurts, buddy! That sneaky bastard found my restricted phone number! I changed it again. He very rarely calls b/c he will have to speak first with someone from work or at home and he knows he can't manipulate them! Amy - BTW - thank you for the Goodbye song - my fav lyrics are about the number change! Be kinder than necessary to everyone you meet; for everyone is fighting some kind of battle - anonymous- :o) nolongercontrolled
Jun 25 - 11PM (Reply to #14)
Amy
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welcome!

I love that line too! And "get yourself together, but ether way baby I'm gone!". :-) I try to look at everything with positivity (which is part of what got me in so deep with him), but it helps me get through. And I have noticed that the more positive i am, the more positive I start to feel. I am drawing more fun, happy people into my life now. It's amazing! I am glad you changed your cell number! Taking control feels great doesn't it???????? Amy :-)
Jun 25 - 10PM (Reply to #11)
Debra (not verified)
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Grossot & Amy

Thank you. I can see how changing the phone number would help. He hasn't called but in the back of my mind I'm waiting for the inevitable message and unconsciously waiting for his call because that is what he has TRAINED ME TO DO.. You're right. He has his moments in which he is incredibly fun to be with, but that isn't him, it's who he is pretending to be at the moment which is the person he thinks I want him to be. I don't know who he is. Yes, as Amy says, the "THING"... I hope he feels remorse (not likely) and he looks in the mirror one day and sees an image of exactly who he really is reflected back at him. That would be the worst thing that could possibly happen, it would be like water thrown onto the wicked witch, he would just melt and disappear...
Jun 25 - 11PM (Reply to #12)
Amy
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Remorse...

Debra, as far as remorse goes, what he will haev remorse for is the lack of adoration... I asked mine when I was leaving him if he would regret all of this. He said "welcome to my life". Sooo.... are you going to change your number? It's so empowering! I cannot tell you how different it made me feel THAT VERY DAY! I worried that he would call me at work because of what I texted right before I did it (will post about that tomorrow), but I didn't hear from him and all is well! It will be for you too - I promise! Hugs! Amy :-)
Jun 26 - 8AM (Reply to #13)
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Full of regrets.. (Amy)

Amy, sounds like we were dating the same guy! The last time I spent time with my N (5 "wonderful" day together) he commented that he had been waiting to see my "adoring eyes" and was so glad to see them again.. I guess when he saw them he thought he could devalue me again and start the whole cycle again, because I haven't seen him since and only spoken to him once and that was two months ago.. Thanks for your insights.. xo Debra
Jun 25 - 9PM
Amy
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Inhumans... ABSOLUTELY

Debra, I have started thinking of my XNBF as an object or a thing. It's truly what he is. Not a person. Just a thing. Since I blocked him from calling or texting, I have felt so much better! *I* have control. I don't wonder if he is going to call. It's like a huge weight was lifted off my shoulders! We all feel you... we know what you are going through. No matter WHAT, do not call him. You are better for it. Amy XOXO
Jun 25 - 8PM
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why?

if you read WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS (Brown puts narcs AND psychopaths into that mix) you'd see what they do to us PSYCHOLOGICALLY as well as CHEMICALLY that makes it hard. Also do some searches on: Trauma Bonding and Stockholm Syndrome. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Jun 25 - 8PM
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Yes - that's exactly what it is

What you just said.... "Waiting for him to validate what we had all these years was real". That's exactly my answer too but you put it so incredibly well. That's what I keep waiting for too. He's not gonna do it. He's been doing his "thing" again today. Trying to put me down, twist words, etc. I get caught up in defending myself even NOW at the end... and then catch myself pretty quickly. But even when I walk away... like today (from the phone and the possibility of texts, e-mails or calls) I carry this heavy weight. Like it doesn't matter where he is... he gets to me and ruins my day whenever he wants to. THank you for putting it exactly like that... that's what it is.
Jun 25 - 8PM (Reply to #2)
Debra (not verified)
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Right!

Yes, I know that feeling and I've carried it with me for a long time. I think it is FINALLY over for me. When I drive around and go about my life I look around me. I remember how I was feeling in any given place, at any given time... It always felt like a kind of emptiness and wishing for something that wasn't. Always WAITING for something.. The thing that was missing that a narcissist is incapable of giving. I am convinced that it will never happen. The most difficult feeling is the realization you have been used and someone is feeding off you. Really disgusting.. so horrible to admit to myself, that I could have made such an error in judgment and loved someone who was not real. It takes awhile to realize it is not your fault. I don't think we, as humans with souls, ever expect to encounter something like that in a relationship. We are naturally trusting and want to believe/give the benefit of doubt to the person we are involved with. That is why the realization, when it comes, of what they really are is so painful. "N" is a mental condition and reality disorder with no known cure so it really is helpless. It helps to write about it and I'm glad I found this forum. It has been supportive reading and it really helped me with my NC today during my difficult moment. I hope tomorrow will be easier. Sorry you are having to deal with it too and wish you the best.
Jun 26 - 2AM (Reply to #3)
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Debra

Your ability to put into words what I've felt and still feel is uncanny. You have hit the nail on the head. "Always waiting for something....the thing that was missing: that a Narcissist is incapable of giving." You're right, that as human souls, we never expect to encounter something that will feed off of us like a vampire. It's such a hard and difficult lesson to learn. The truth of the matter is that it isn't our fault. It's not something we were taught to prepare for. It's not something that everyone knows about and avoids....like smoking. Quitting smoking is easier than quitting a relationship with a Narcissist. Thank you, Debra for wording the dynamics of this ordeal so well. neveragain
Jun 26 - 10AM (Reply to #7)
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Waiting

I waited for 20 years for him to get his act together and start acting like a normal human toward me. I waited to get the validation that what we had was real and not a waste of my time. After 20 years I finally realized I will never get that. You have to find a way to have closure on your own. They won't give it to you...and closure is what you need to move on. That's why we all struggle so much, there is no closure like normal couples have when they split up. ~Denise~
Jun 26 - 8AM (Reply to #4)
Lisa E. Scott
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Debra

I agree with Neveragain, you did a great job of describing the dynamics of a relationship with a narcissist. "Waiting for something that was missing - that a narcissist is incapable of giving." You're right, we as humans never expect to encounter something that will feed off of us like a vampire. My brother always refers to my ex-narcissist as a vampire. It's so true. They will suck everything out of you with no remorse. Sure, they're fun as hell in the beginning. Narcissists are charming, intelligent, adventurous, great conversationalists and very exciting in the beginning. But that's not who they really are. Once you settle down with them, you realize they are jealous, envious, cruel, cynical, insecure, pathetic people that will put you down to make themselves feel better. I'm glad you're getting out. Stay strong! Big Hugs, Lisa
Jun 26 - 8AM (Reply to #5)
Debra (not verified)
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Thanks Lisa..

Thanks for your supportive words. Your web site is the best one I have seen about narcissists. I found it last night and can't stop reading, trying to catch up. All the insights have been terrific, a life preserver of sorts for me. Every time I start to feel really bad again, I know where to come.. Debra
Jun 26 - 11PM (Reply to #6)
Lisa E. Scott
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Hi Debra

Your words make me want to cry. You know why? Because the whole purpose of writing my book and creating this message board is to help other women who have been through what I have been through understand what really happened to them. My ex-husband joked from day one about being a narcissist. I thought nothing more of it than "yeah, he's self-confident, ok." It wasn't until eight years into our relationship and certain events in my life, which I write about in my book, did I finally look into the true meaning of narcissism and understand its implications in a relationship. When I did, it changed my world. I want to help others expereience that same realization. I realized, there was nothing I could to to change him. I realized, the only person I could change is myself. I'm so glad you found our forum. The women here are amazingly supportive, strong and intelligent. They have helped me make my dream a reality. Big Hugs, Lisa