OWs and their rule

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#1 Jan 18 - 4PM

Isis

OWs and their rule

My Narc was with me, but I find out he was having affairs behind my back. He was also sleeping and seeing 3 other women. With time I also find out all the women he was (still is) involved with, knew about me, had all the info about me and were not bothered with the situation. To them, it's like I didn't exist or count. All of them had the motto: when he is with her (me), he is with her, when he is with us (each one of the others) then he with us.

I find it so unreal and so unbelievable, I really would like to know if someone here has a similar experience with their Narcs and their OWs.

#2 Jan 20 - 12AM

alicepaul

From the OW's side:

As the OW to a married narc, this is what he told me about his wife: 1. She cheated on him and broke his heart 2. She denied him sex for the last 10 years out of their 21-year relationship 3. She felt guilty that she could never satisfy him sexually and told him he needed "lots of other women" besides her. 4. They were both "sexually open" 5. She was willing to try a threesome (that he invited me to and I told him a big fat NO) 6. She was spoiled, immature, depressed and unappreciative I bought his whole poor me, pity party hook, line and sinker. Told me I was helping him so much getting over the pain. That's me, Helpy Helperton! The N was a friend of mine (I thought) for about 20 years, so I assumed he was telling me the truth. Oh yeah, and the clincher, HE TOLD ME HE HAD A "PASS" TO HAVE HIS OWN FLING SINCE SHE CHEATED ON HIM FIRST! I am leaving a lot out regarding this N-counter, but I just wanted to hit the main points for now. I always told myself I would never "do that" to another woman, but sometimes the perfect storm happens and before you know it, you're asking yourself WTF just happened?

#3 Jan 21 - 6PM (Reply to #29)

IncognitoBurrito

Yes

Yes, yes, and yes! A million times, yes! Exactly! My exN had also been a friend. He claimed to have been cheated on, by both ex-wives, and numerous past girlfriends. Oh, that one-man-pity-party! It's a doozy. "I bought his whole poor me, pity party hook, line and sinker. Told me I was helping him so much getting over the pain. That's me, Helpy Helperton!" ...and in being so damned "helpful" we only hurt ourselves. Ugh.

#4 Jan 19 - 10PM

ifinallygotit

OW I am sure

I was the GF and unware of the other women, but my guess is he hid my toothbrush in the bathroom and robe in his closet while cheating - he was very secretive and private and I am not the jealous type so I never kept him on a tight leash (so I was perfect home base supply). I am sure he used for security and the went out to do his nasties with new supply. I am just glad I never found out to what extent he actually cheated, but he totally loved attention from strangers as an aging ex-celeb. When we would go out for dinner, everyone would say hello to him by first name including tons of 25 year old girls on the street (we were mid-50's). I guess he hung out in bars a ton behind my back. I have no idea why he even bothered pretending to have a real GF and exclusive relationship when deep down, it was the attention from strangers that made. makes him happy. I think knowledge is power so though it is painful for some of you to know the OW, it may help ground you in reality faster. I only met one OW and he had stopped seeing her before we got serious - he abandoned her too in a really strange way after he wrecked her car... I was in deep 12 years so its been very hard to adjust but doing somewhat better after a year of reading and processing this and understanding that they really do not care for us.

#5 Jan 20 - 12AM (Reply to #27)

ifinallygotit

I am sure exN never even told OWs that he even had a GF

So I have no ill feelings towards his many victims...although two of three I know about are pretty disgusting, he is, after all, a party guy with party girls... Have no idea why he was with me - I partied in my youth but was done with that immature lifestyle when we met in our early 40's. I guess the question is why was I with him and his pot smoking dim wit? ok, he had a very mellow kind side but, please, I was crazy! I am an intelligent highly educated business woman who sat in a basement with a neanderthal smoking pot watching sports and playing video games - never one good conversation - even during the presidential debates. Sorry off topic but starting to thaw and rage! They are disgusting with their constant search for attention from skanky women! Who would want a life and child with such low life??? don't know why I lived this way... awful, darkness, his moodiness with me and happy face with the public and bar hoes

#6 Jan 19 - 4PM

Femmegem

He manipulated all of us!

The OW xn was involved with his best friends. He didn't sleep with the 2 main ones I knew of but they we were all his girlfriends. He told me I was the only one he wanted sexually. He called his housemate "wifey" because they lived together.but no physical relationship and called the 3rd OW his best friend.who he tells everything too and who he trusted implicitly. I resented the OW for spending time alone with him but he made each one of us feel like the most important. I was the one he called 'girlfriend' but to the others I was probably just a bit on the side ruining each of theirs sacred bond. I dunno, they are very manipulative. He also brainwashed me into thinking I was too jealous so even when women flirted with him I let them so they probably didn't think I minded. I agree with others though - have respect for peoples relationships and back off if that man is taken, but you don't know what he's saying about you to others.

#7 Jan 19 - 8AM

fatbabe

WOW hidden water

you said my piece..I was the wife for 9 years.. according to my exN, he slept with countless of women, and he shared with me his ploys, plots (after we finalised the divorce, he actually gave me a closure)..and when i asked him, is the final one true love?...he couldn't answer. Juz said, she's (OW) in love with me (ExN). He also mentioned that she found ways and means to break up with him, but he didn't want to. (its ploy to diminished my self confidence). but at the last month of their relationship, she simply called me and asked: why didn't you give him sex? and went on to post pictures of them all over facebook...kissing & celebrating her birthday. throughout this period, she was constantly texting and sexting him asking him to go bk "home" to her. so i do not understand, IF she was as my ExN discribed didn't want to hurt my children (youngest being 13 months old then). then why launch all the insults and FB pics. ExN shared her sad life story with me, as she works as a whore, ditch by her exhubby, was a mistress for years and ExN was pimping her over internet (true N behaviour ). whereas, I am a biz development manager, with him since my uni days, bore 3 kids with him..and her appearance of 3 months, wiped all of it away. In between there were countless of them, but for this whore, he finally gave in to my request for divorce. caught him 4 times prior to this. Yes, all of OWs knew my existence as I was the wife. but yet they believed that he was true to them, and continues to indulge in their relationship. thus, i have no respect for them, after he jilted them, they started bombarding me with sms!!! shame on them! I only knew one went to jail for some reason, the final one due to countless abortions had water in the womb, and had an operation after she was deported back to her country ( was an illegal whore ). yes, they so deserve one another.

#8 Jan 19 - 4AM

nadine31

Yup, same here

I can relate to that. The narc saw 13 women behind my back in the year we were together. Including weekly meet ups with his ex-girlfriend, who knew about me but evidently didn't care. The day I found out he announced he'd found the perfect place for us to move into together. He had always wanted us to live together but I had always resisted (intuition maybe). Private message me if you like. I'm pretty raw too so maybe we can help each other along :)

#9 Jan 18 - 10PM

gettinbetter

What do OW's? at some point

What do OW's? at some point we are all OW's with these freaks you may just not have been aware of it. There were women before you, women during you, and there will be more women after you.

#10 Jan 20 - 8AM (Reply to #21)

Goldie

So True Gettinbetter

Once we realize this, we no longer have a need to judge the OW because we begin to understand that we were all in the same boat. Thank you for sharing this GB. God bless, Goldie

#11 Jan 20 - 9AM (Reply to #22)

Isis

It all depends

I don't judge any OW if she doesn't know the N is on a relationship. If she/they is/are aware the Narc is on a relationship, then we have two possible scenarios: 1) They know and do not care; 2) They know and accept it because they've been lied/brainwashed, living in hopes one day it will be their turn and he's going to be different. For the OWs mentioned in #1, I do not feel any sympathy, though I entirely agree that we all have been OWs, because as it was said, there have been women before, during and after. So true!

#12 Jan 18 - 8PM

bakingfortherapy

My Narcs OW....

Told me so many times that she "didn't care about me or anything about our life" she told me that he told her over and over how much he loved me- this OW recited to me at least 20 things Narc told her he loved about me..she would see my things at his house and tell me "I tune it out, Ill take 5 second or 5 minutes with him.. Just love him so much" She had no boundaries and did not care at all. I know we should have some sympathy fir them bc they are "under the spell" but my OW was mean and cruel and said so many hurtful things to me while she and he were breaking us up. She was as ruthless and selfish as a Narc. Today I heard they just got engaged. Guess her efforts worked! She got the "prize"!! They deserve each other. Ugh!

#13 Jan 18 - 10PM (Reply to #19)

Redhead

Ow

Yes my narc & Ow deserve each other. She is very manipulative...I suspect she is a narc too. They deserve each other. Truth is, she probably isn't the only ow. Couldn't happen to a more deserving gal

#14 Jan 18 - 9PM (Reply to #17)

Sparrow

Baking, your OW is a narc.

Baking, your OW is a narc. If she can be so bold, hurtful, hateful and spiteful, and feel no shame or remorse. She's a narc. And yes, under those circumstances, they deserve each other. :)

#15 Jan 19 - 7PM (Reply to #18)

bakingfortherapy

Sparrow...

I think OW is a Narc too. I know she is a diagnosed bi polar on many meds. Not sure how that comes into play except she is disordered too. She grew up w a Narc father too. This gal stalked me, confronted me many times on the street, shoved me in bars, and even though she was being manipulated by him she could have held back on the terrible cruel things she said to me. Cannot excuse the evil things no matter how much she was brainwashed. And now they have sealed their match. They belong together! At least there are 2 sick people off the streets so they can't hurt anyone else! Ugh! Disgusting black souls!

#16 Jan 18 - 6PM

NarcJunkie

When I was dumped by a narc a few years ago

one of the OWs called me. She knew he wanted to leave me and felt sorry for me. What she didn't know was that he wanted to leave me for ANOTHER OW, not her. She was dumbfounded and didn't believe me at first. We met up. We also met up with the other OW and told her he'd been lying to all of us. They both knew about me as I was his official girlfriend, but didn't know about each other. He had told them and everyone that we had an "open relationship" and that I was ok with it. There is no end to a narc's lies. They manipulate everyone, they tell each woman exactly what she wants to hear, it's like a game for them and they're good at it. I was angry back then but not so much with the OWs. I'm sure there are messed-up women out there who think it's no big deal to take somone else's man. But those 2 OWS, they weren't bad women. A few years later I unwillingly find myself in the position of the OW... I'm not proud of it. I fought it. I fell deeply in love and couldn't resist his promises and advances and thought he really loved me. Ok, I was stupid, but I'm not a bad, an immoral person. I have forgiven the OW who took my man back then, because I had to admit I was no better than her. It was a tough pill to swallow, until I realized I also had to forgive myself for this. I hope we can all agree that the narcs should be the the ones we direct our anger at, not the OWs.

#17 Jan 18 - 6PM (Reply to #15)

Isis

"I hope we can all agree that

"I hope we can all agree that the narcs should be the the ones we direct our anger at, not the OWs." I agree! Of course each case is different but they just do what the Narcs allow them to do. They're the catalysts/instigators.

#18 Jan 18 - 5PM

Hidden Waters

I don't know if you were

I don't know if you were married to your N, but yes I find that the OW Do act this way. Like you don't exist. I don't understand women like this...at all. As if this is going to justify what they KNOW they are doing and are involved in. My rule has always been that if a man is attached in ANY way, he is unavailable and off-limits. I am not interested in ANY man who steps to me in lies and betrayal. Already he's showing me bad character and WHY do I want to get involved with that? I don't care what he says. He's tangled up in something and is showing bad form by stepping to someone without clearing his slate. Unless you have NO idea another woman exists...until later. Here's a popular sentiment many OW use or proclaim in order to justify their part in advocating the N's cheating and betrayal of you (this is why I asked if you were married): "If he's not married, then he's up for grabs!" What kind of shitty, self-serving, sociopathic logic is this??! There's absolutely NO respect for relationships that are in a serious long-term status. LTR's LEAD to marriage, often, or they represent an agreement, between both partners, of an exclusive commitment. So it makes no sense to say, "he's up for grabs" if that's what he's in (an LTR), just because he's not married, unless he's in an OPEN relationship that is mutually agreed upon by him and his partner and they can see other people on any or certain terms. Or he's merely dating and OPENLY seeing several women at a time and has offered NO particular woman a steady commitment. An LTR, however, IS a commitment. The amazing thing is that these same women expect those same men they are cheating with to be faithful to them...or to eventually commit to them. Or they'd ideally want to be in a serious connection with a man who is faithful. You also have women who claim, "oh I'd never cheat on MY man!" Hypocrisy, delusion, and dysfunction here. What's the difference in cheating on YOUR man if your behavior ADVOCATE'S the ACT of cheating by getting involved WITH a man who is cheating on HIS partner, married or not? It's like going to the voting booth to show where your values and views stand, and marking down a "yes" on Measure Cheating, on your "ballot." You might not be the committed one in the betrayal, but you are clearly a co-conspirator to the behavior by getting involved, KNOWING that he has promised someone else commitment and fidelity. And if he claims he hasn't, then the other woman should be aware of this "agreement" to see other people. And the reality is, she rarely or never is. OW who KNOW about the woman give Narcs the ammo to do what they do all the more, although the Narcs are the instigators who ALLOW another woman to come in to cheat with them. DO NOT support these fuckers in their deceit. Same goes for men who knowingly get involved with attached women.

#19 Jan 19 - 1AM (Reply to #8)

bgirl

Wow... Come walk in my

Wow... Come walk in my shoes... Come live in my head, my heart, my soul. It is great to be strong with your opinions, pass your judgement. I was once a black and white thinker too. Never again. B

#20 Jan 19 - 4AM (Reply to #9)

Hidden Waters

I respectfully hold to my

I respectfully hold to my views. I've been through a LOT myself and in the end, I still feel the way I do. Actually, even more so in this direction than I did before. The women he cheated on me with did not give a flying fuck. No they weren't responsible for MAKING him cheat or for him being a shitty narc, BUT they certainly were not innocent and they joined in on the pain I went through. They knew about me, one even pretended to be a friend and was fake the whole time. I found out all sorts of stuff. It was extremely traumatic. Everything. And I am still healing... I don't need to walk in the shoes of women like THAT. And DON'T want to. I don't know YOUR story so I'm not saying that's you, but when women, such as the ones in my situation, join in such callous ways to support the narc and his abuse, thus creating vicious ambient abuse, I'm just not feeling any kind of sympathy for these women. Why the hell should I? Haven't I been through enough?? It was ME who was hurt. I gave myself fully to this man and was SINCERE the entire time. He and the women he dealt with enjoyed seeing me hurt. I'm not trying to waste my time feeling any sympathy for any of that. Nope. And I can't see myself treating another woman THAT way. Another person for that matter. It's horrible, abusive, sadistic, and heartless. If I KNEW some man was with another woman and I was the OW (found out), no way I'd get on my sadistic kick and join in with the abuse and flaunting. One woman he cheated on me with for a year even pretended to be someone else earlier on (before I realized who she was a year later) and sent me nasty ass messages about my mother being in the hospital with a stroke. At the time my mom was in ICU and this b**** was so bent on getting me out of the way, finding out he was engaged to me, that when she found out info about my mom's health online, she sent some psychotic and heartless messages about her well-being. Mocking and taunting statements. Are you kidding me??? Sympathize with women like this?? I can see if a woman had no idea the man was attached and so forth, but I'm done letting people walk all over me and trying to get ME to feel sorry for their callous ways. As you said. NEVER AGAIN.

#21 Jan 19 - 6AM (Reply to #10)

bgirl

No I am not kidding you. I

No I am not kidding you. I respect your right to your opinion. I didn't condemn you. You made very profound and sweeping statements about women who are OW. Not everyone who 'enables' an N to cheat does so callously or vindictively. That much I know for certain. Best wishes on your road to recovery. B

#22 Jan 19 - 7AM (Reply to #11)

Hidden Waters

No, not every woman is

No, not every woman is callous with her involvement, but careless she is. And that's technically correct. IF she knows. I consider myself to be quite understanding and open-minded, but this is one of those issues/areas that bring out very strong views and feelings for me, and they haven't developed or come about through ignorance and mindless judgement. I don't see them changing. I tend to have stricter and more defined grounds on fidelity and commitment. So, for example, I can't see myself getting involved, knowingly, with a man who is with another woman in any way. Not unless the man AND myself were BOTH casually dating and neither one of us was holding that card close to our chests. This means he's letting every woman he dates know where he stands and is not ready to be serious. If I have no idea that he's lying, then this is different. I am not aware. Who can know everything when you're dealing with a pathological liar? I get that. Just thinking about that really bothers me. I've BEEN the woman hurt by this, deeply, and I've always been someone who wanted/wants a real commitment by a man and has given that in return. So not just talk. I DO what I say. There's no hypocrisy, here. I've yet to find a man who can match what I offer, in this regard. Maybe he's out there, maybe he isn't. I can only hope I find a man like that. Today people don't hold as tight to values of fidelity (which is not how true you can be when things are great, but more so how reasonably TRUE you can be when things become challenging; the real test), so I might be looking for someone hard to come by. But I can't settle for a cheating man or a half-hearted or empty-hearted man just because I'm lonely. I let a lot of myself get lost in my last relationship. More than I ever did. That doesn't make me superior (because of my tighter boundaries on fidelity), it just means I am looking for a relationship where both people value a strong code of fidelity and communication - they want a particular kind of bond that they both believe in and can cultivate through actions.. Where if shit hits the fan, one or the other person will rather hash it out with the other than go and make a statement with stepping out with someone else. If others can work through infidelity, then great. Some couples do. I even tried to do this, for the first time, with my pathological ex, because I wanted to continue to believe in the false man I fell in love with in the beginning. I should have dropped his ass, then, once I found out about his double life and deep deceptions. I gave him way too much of myself. As for unplanned connections, I realize that people can develop crushes or attachments, and men and women can cross boundaries in the emotional sense, especially if they spend time together at work often or some context like that and one or the other is in a rocky relationship. I know the dangerous ground with that. If that work buddy or friend starts to make the man or woman feel great, it can be an alluring thing to cross over and wind up desiring whatever missing component this buddy begins to represent (something that is missing in one's current relationship). I am aware of what CAN happen in those types of situations, although I've never crossed that line and won't. Those situations are rarely planned, and therefore not sadistic or vindictive. However, because I am aware of how sensitive that is, even in a situation like that, I'd try to see if there was a chance to make things right with my partner. I've always found it very hard to fake my emotions or pretend that things are OK when they clearly weren't/aren't. I literally ache to address things and figure out how to get back on track, if possible. So I can't see letting things go too far with someone else before I realize that I need to really assess my relationship and find out where I stand. This is about self-honesty here. Not black or white thinking. In this regard, I know how I'm wired. I tried to do this with my ex-N and it was madness. I wasn't dealing with a healthy person, at all. He resented me for being direct and wanting to confront issues head on...or for seeing the shit he pulled over and over, as I discovered more and more things he did that I initially didn't know about. I made him have to account for stuff and that brought out more rage. How was I to expect integrity from a man without a conscience? Not possible. Because of my experiences and my views, I feel more strongly than ever on boundaries, self-awareness with men and my feelings, and making sure I am involved, to the best of my knowledge, with a man who is available in heart and body to ME. I've got to feel that I deserve this. Not just me, but other women, too. I've got no time or desire to "borrow" a man, hoping one day he's supposedly "mine" when he belongs to NO one or "claims" to with someone else. Especially not after this nightmare. I can't waste any more of my youth and self-foundation on trifling shit... At that point, I'm just abusing myself...

#23 Jan 21 - 3AM (Reply to #13)

Im_always_fine

Brilliant. Very moving.

#24 Jan 19 - 7AM (Reply to #12)

Used

hiddenwaters

well said. Speaking for my self and only my self, when narcs OW came and said she had been in a r/s with him all the times he and I had been FRIENDS....I dropped him, for the final time, b/c he was always going on about he couldnt make relationships work and so he would only ever be friends with women...well that was fine by me, I [after me divorcing a narc]i only intended to be friends with man...never to get involved in that way again..... when his EXOW went and told him she had told me... he turned up panicking calling her a liar and so on, but the bottom line was not about his R/S it was about HIS LYING....THAT TURNED IN TO HIM SAYING I DIDNT HAVE TO TELL YOU!!!...I SAID BUT YOU HAVE JUST DENIED BEING IN A R/S... HIS LYING WAS THE DEFINING FACTOR IN ME GETTING OUT OF THE MOST TOXIC FRIENDSHIP I HAVE EVER HAD IN MY LIFE.... SHE KNEW ABOUT ME THO...WHEN SHE TOLD ME ABOUT THE R/S ...IT WAS NO LONGER A R/S JUST A FRIENDSHIP...WTF.... NEVERTHELESS I DROPPED HIM, B/C IF SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING AND DOES ANOTHER THEY ARE FALSE... MY BOUNDERIES AND LINES ARE SO FIRMLY IN PLACE NOW... NO MAN WILL EVER LIVE UP TO MY STANDARDS ...SO I AM DONE....I WOULD RATHER BE ALONE THAN, THAN BE WITH SOMEONE WHO CANNOT BE UP FRONT...HAD HE TOLD ME HE WAS IN A R/S I WOULD HAVE STILL DROPPED HIM...SO HE WAS IN A NO-WIN SITUATION ....LOL...I SAID TO HIM I HOPE YOUR LIES WERE WORTH LOSING MY FRIENDSHIP... THEY WERE NOT...

#25 Jan 18 - 9PM (Reply to #7)

TNR1

There's absolutely NO respect

There's absolutely NO respect for relationships that are in a serious long-term status. LTR's LEAD to marriage, often, or they represent an agreement, between both partners, of an exclusive commitment. I would agree with you if it wasn't that one of the partners was a Narc. Narcs do not "commit", not even in marriage or a LTR. If they did...this topic would not come up over and over and over again. I can sympathyze for your situation, but I think when you say this: You might not be the committed one in the betrayal, but you are clearly a co-conspirator to the behavior by getting involved, KNOWING that he has promised someone else commitment and fidelity. you also have to remember who is the one who is representing whether there is a commitment and whether there is fidelity. Don't assume for a minute that the Narc won't lie about his marital status or state that things with the gf are on the rocks or state that he is the victim and the gf/wife is the one who is cheating or even that the relationship is open when it isn't. I'm not justifying anyone's actions..and I can appreciate the anger at the OW, but I also know that Narcs are about themselves and misrepresenting things to serve themselves is part of their nature. I don't think there are any winners when it comes to relationships with Narcs. Narcs don't change..they just change supply.

#26 Jan 18 - 5PM (Reply to #6)

Isis

Your reply is fantastic! I

Your reply is fantastic! I wasn't married to him. We started a relationship in June 2010 and I had to end it, last October, when I found out he went to sleep with his ex. In the meantime, there was also a woman who was constantly inviting him to sleep with her. I wish I could be so eloquent as you, but today I feel my head about to explode and English is not my native language. He made me believe he was on a relationship with me, and always told me there was no one else. I just know that when I found out, one ex-girlfriend was still feeling entitled to be with him and sleeping with him and I had no right to open my mouth. Another woman he was also involved sexually, idem. I can't find another word to designate this lack of boundaries by everybody involved, than FUCKERS! This was so amazing to me, that I had to install a spy software on his cell phone to know the fully extension of what was going behind my back because I was lacking evidence to rub on his nose. I've installed it and I don't wish my worse enemy to read the texts between him and the OWs. When I broke things with him, there was one day he came to talk to me and when we parted, he sent one of the OWs this text "F (ny name) looked sexy in spotty dress/boots sadly my poor cock had 2 suffer in silence. Game over 4 him". I was just ask what kind of OW can tolerate this type of things? That's why sometimes I just feel I want to vomit.

#27 Jan 18 - 5PM

dabussard

Yes

I found out right before I went NC that two of the Ow's knew about me and did not care.. One of them said "so what if she is getting some of your big d&*^, we are not married we are just lover friends". The other OW just called me Saturday Morning at 2:30 a.m., from her phone, while having sex with the N, just to rub it in that she is still with him and I am not... These girls are just as sick as he is.... Glad I am out of the triange and off of the merry go round...

#28 Jan 18 - 5PM (Reply to #3)

Hidden Waters

Yes exactly, "These girls are

Yes exactly, "These girls are just as sick as he is..." That is why I can't feel sorry for these women when they are treated like shit by the Narcs, too, because they already knew what they were dealing with by knowingly getting involved with a man lying and cheating on his partner from the very start. The women are not innocent, either, and are kind of like Narcs themselves. "It's all about ME, I don't care that he has someone else and is hurting and lying to her. I want HIM for ME!!! I am special and entitled here to have him and he will treat ME differently." or simply she enjoys seeing another woman HURT. What decent, stable, and empathetic woman calls up WHILE having sex with another woman's man?? Something is NOT right with her, either. She's sick and sadistic, just like him.

#29 Jan 18 - 5PM (Reply to #4)

dabussard

Sad thing is

both of these girls are in patient care.. One is a RN and the Other is a Aide in home health care.. That part scares me even worse! Since they appear to be as sick as him! Sadistic and in patient care... Wow!!

#30 Jan 18 - 5PM (Reply to #2)

Isis

None of them has ever called

None of them has ever called me while having sex with him, because they don't have my phone number, but for God's sake, they can be worse than those Narcs. It's like they can't see they're being abused as well, and worse of all, they enjoy being abused. It's way beyond sick and sometimes just the thought makes me vomit.

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