Need support (kick in the head) b/f making a big mistake

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#1 Aug 1 - 12PM
nancyh
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Need support (kick in the head) b/f making a big mistake

Help! I am so close to texting/calling him but am following my own advice and posting here instead.

I've been 220 days NC and he is wearing me down with his hoovering (emails, texts, vm). I accept blame for his increased hoovering lately as I did something which let him know I loved him (stupid, stupid, stupid). And then a week ago I started checking his social media sites (BIG MISTAKE) there were quite a few posts about me ("good" stuff) and it felt so good (gave me that "hit" that I haven't felt in so long). Why is it so easy to believe all crap they spew.

I have been so good at staying in the moment, enjoying my family (husband included) and appreciating all I have. I KNOW reaching out to him would be a big mistake and only cause me a major setback. Nothing will change and it'll be the same old word salad, blame and projection.

So please, please, please - say whatever you need to to get me to stop this train of thought.

Nan

Aug 2 - 6AM
fooled no longer
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when all is said and done, Nancy

when all is said and done, after the most terrible things I have found out about him and the terrible lies and mess he left in my life, when he walked out entrapping me. My "goodness" is what he used to entrap me, however my goodness is also what will get me a new life. I sleep at night knowing I have never been unfaithful to anybody in my life, I have never ever cheated on anybody and nor would I. I'm not being self-righteous here I'm saying that even if i'm staving and broken from his actions. I have my self respect. When you cheat on your husband you open yourself to the predator, Who Wll in the future take your morals and throw them back at you "as no morals at all". You will be labelled the slut by him.. He will walk away clean. That's a bitter pill to swallow. Its just one more reason why if I want to find companionship in life. I must practice what I preach. To smitten kitten When you saw him in the supermarket with your replacement he knew you could not call him on it. He knew you could not question his morals, because you had cheated yourself.. these bastards are evil to the core they prey on the vulnerable. You are lucky you escaped with your marriage unbroken and have a bed to sleep in, so you can think. The lesson, if you are not happy in your marriage and have tried everything, leave him, and start alone with a clean concience. Then you never need to look over your shoulder again. All the years you had with your husband, maybe something can be made good out of that, now that you know what dangers lurk on the other side.
Aug 2 - 10AM (Reply to #29)
Smitten Kitten (not verified)
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I didn't see him in the

I didn't see him in the supermarket, I was on the phone with him. We had a LDR for a year. You can read my story in my profile. The N also had a brief affair prior to pursuing me, and I later realized he had most likely been cheating on his wife throughout their entire 25-year marriage, not just at the end because it was so bad and they were planning to divorce. While in our relationship, he separated from his wife, and it turns out they were separated 3 other times throughout the course of their marriage, each time with him getting involved in another relationship. He strung me along towards the end until he had his new victim on the hook before dumping me via Facebook. In the phone conversation at the grocery store, he was telling me all about his date with her the night before and the party he took her to, and how he wanted to pursue a relationship with her. Then he posted pictures on FB of the two of them at this party kissing and holding each other, to rub it in for good measure. I didn't question his morals. I questioned how he could supposedly love me one day and then suddenly feel that way about someone else. How he could purposely lead me to believe I was the love of his life and wanted a future with me and it was all an act. It wasn't until the end when I realized all of it had been one big lie from the very beginning. Like you, until then, I had never cheated on anyone in my entire life and never thought in a million years that I would or could be capable of such a thing. I always believed I would NEVER be unfaithful, and was extremely judgmental of people who were. I never thought I would seriously considering divorcing my husband either. It wasn't even part of my vocabulary.
Aug 2 - 8AM (Reply to #27)
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FNL, My conscience did and

FNL, My conscience did and still is beating me up over what I have done. Although he never called me a slut or brought up the fact that I was cheating on my husband and not keeping MY promises (i.e., vows) - many times I felt as if I could not call the Narc out on breaking promises to me because of what I was doing. Additionally, I also felt that I deserved the Narc and to be treated poorly because of what I was doing to my husband and family. It took me quite a while to even post on this forum that I had an affair because I am ashamed of what I have done & my behavior was/is not consistent with what I thought were my values and beliefs. This experience has shaken me to the core because I did deviate from my core values - it has made me question so much about myself. However, it has given me a painful lesson in passing judgment on others . . . and until this experience, without realizing it, I was on a high horse and could not fathom "weak" people. Well, now I get it. FNL, I envy your clear conscience. Nan

Nan

Aug 2 - 11AM (Reply to #28)
fooled no longer
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Nancyh

Dont give the Narc that too, Nancy it is just another thing he robbed from you. Start again with a clean slate, (we all are) with a clear conscience and know that never again will you allow a predator like him to cross your path. FUCK ALL NARCS THEY TAKE SO MUCH. be good to yourself Nancy. you know you didn't deserve him, but so much good instead.
Aug 2 - 12AM
greengirl91
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Firstly, congratulations for

Firstly, congratulations for your 25 weeks Nancy! I`m sort of in the same situation as you are, I`m trying to make some changes in my life, and the Narc boy came back in my hometown..even if he`s out of my FB list of friends, I suspect he has "spies" friends who give him information about me. It`s hard, when you learn to accept, and distinct the truth from the lies ( and sadly, there are so many when it comes to them ). The other day, I have updated my FB profile, including my picture, and then I was watching a common friend, from an anonimous profile. And guess what? Within seconds, the N had changed his picture too!! He always does that, sometimes I wonder if this guy ever sleeps! And the amount of feelings, that came was scary, it`s like someone punched me in the stomach really hard. Only from seeing his name and picture changed, I haven`t dared to see his updates! So, please, don`t let him get to you. I`m saying this to you, and to myself actually :-)..You have tried so hard, and you got far. He simply wants to steal your light again. I`ll make sure mine doesn`t steal anything from me this time.
Aug 2 - 9AM (Reply to #25)
nancyh
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Greengirl91 (you will have to

Greengirl91 (you will have to change your name soon as you are no longer "green" and provide great emotional support, thank you :) Thank you for your words of encouragement, every single words helps me. You stay strong too, ya hear! Hugs, Nan

Nan

Aug 1 - 5PM
Sparrow
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just remember........what you

just remember........what you are reading are lies. All of his words are lies. You need to keep him where he is, away from you and out of your head! You have come too far on your journey to let yourself down!!! Good luck!
Aug 2 - 9AM (Reply to #23)
nancyh
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Thank you, Sparrow. I know

Thank you, Sparrow. I know that what you are saying is true and I will do everything I can to keep him out of my head. Hugs to you, Nan

Nan

Aug 1 - 4PM
onwithmylife
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Nancyh

you have a husband ,lucky you , enjoy your life with him and forget the NARC...I have no one, that is why the narc is so hard to recover from,
Aug 2 - 9AM (Reply to #21)
nancyh
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Onwithmylife, I have been and

Onwithmylife, I have been and am currently still being selfish that I am thinking about the Narc. I needed you post - it is a much needed reminder to me. You have no idea how fortunate I am and what a great husband, family and "perfect life" I have. I know that there are many women that would line-up to have a chance with my husband and our life. My God I am and have been really trying to stay in the moment and appreciate what I have. I am being the perfect wife: I plan activities for our family; entertain friends as much as I can (almost every weekend); I am myself but defer to my husband as much as possible; encourage him to get out and play golf, etc. and when I catch myself starting to think of the Narc I remind myself how fortunate I am but I struggle everyday to keep the Narc out of my head. I wish there was a pill I could take to forget the Narc or something that would tear my emotions regarding the Narc out of me. I understand your position and statment and thank you for your honesty. Nan I may sound like a whiny

Nan

Aug 1 - 9PM (Reply to #15)
Smitten Kitten (not verified)
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Let me just say as someone

Let me just say as someone who also has a husband, it does NOT make recovery from the narc any easier. You cannot substitute another person, relationship, or love for what you had with the Narc and just move on. THEY can, but we can't. The reality is, if you're married and find yourself in an extramarital affair with a psychopath, it's because there are problems in your marriage. The psychopath sniffs this out and plays you accordingly. Mine became everything I ever wanted and was missing in my life. I was vulnerable and he knew it. He knew more about what I needed and was subconsciously looking for than even I did because I was living in denial. So along comes Prince Charming, who seduces me, presenting me with the dream of everything I've always wanted and was lacking. I didn't even believe in Soul Mates. I'm educated and a 6-year Psyche Major for goodness sake, and was perfectly aware of how society and fairytales create unrealistic expectations in girls and women for a man to rescue them and fulfill them. I KNEW that part of the reason so many marriages fail is because people have unrealistic expectations of what it's supposed to be. So I had a handle on being realistic about marriage for many years, or so I thought. And things were good for many years, but somewhere along the way we drifted apart and became estranged. Fast forward 20 + years and lack of intimacy in every way, and loneliness sets in. Let me tell you. There is nothing so lonely as being in a committed relationship with someone and being completely disconnected with no intimacy, no affection..... like roommates. We used to at least be best friends, but we're not even that anymore. Anyway, now that things are over with the psychopath, my marriage still needs all the work and attention it needed before HE came into my life and distracted me with fantasies of a better, more fulfilling life with him. And it's awful. Not only am I trying to heal from the mind fuck he did to me, I'm trying to deal with everyday life with a husband who also has many issues, as do I. As if our marriage didn't have enough problems, it now has this huge toxic contamination that has been added to it by my affair with the psychopath. My husband doesn't know about him, but that doesn't mean he isn't suffering the fallout from my attention, energy and love being elsewhere. It is also his fault he drove me away over the past few years, which I won't go into here. So here I am, 6 months out from being brutally D&D'd by my psychopath (you can read my story on my profile) and NC since March 14th, and it's a day-to-day struggle to move forward. Some days and weeks I really feel I'm making progress, and then I have a bad week like this last one and feel like I'm going nowhere. Just when I think I'm done crying over all the pain he caused me, I find myself bawling my eyes out. That's why I don't post too much these days. I read all the time, but get overwhelmed and can't write. And that's another thing. Sometimes I wonder if being married delays the healing process because I have to hide my feelings in front of my husband. I have to hide being on this forum too. I can't always come on or write when I want to. Part of the advice given in the steps is that if you feel the need to cry, you should. You need to go with it and let it out. But as a married person, I can't do that. There have been so many times when I just want to cry my eyes out, but I can't. I have to suck it up and pretend there is nothing wrong. So I sometimes wonder if my healing is delayed and taking longer than it should because I have to shelve my feelings and emotions and I can't get them out like it's recommended. I can't always sit with the feelings and own them. I have to push them aside and pretend I'm fine. On the first day of my brutal D&D (the complete horror of it all continued over the next few days), I was on the phone with my psychopath while shopping at the grocery store on a Sunday and he blind-sided me about the new OW. As I was standing in the check-out line, I realized I had lost him to someone else and he was moving on to a new relationship (I didn't know he was a psychopath at this point). I had to go home and make dinner for my husband! I was having a complete melt-down inside and had to act normal. It was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do. And then there's the whole recommendation to avoid dating for at least a year to 18 months until you figure out what your own issues are that lead you to this dynamic in the first place and work on those so you don't repeat the same patterns in the next relationship. Until you do that, you're bound to repeat the past. A new and different relationship that distracts you from the work you need to do to heal yourself from the psychopath is not healthy. Well, when you're married, you can't exactly do this. You are already in another relationship, and a dysfunctional one at that. You're trying to work on healing yourself and your past so you can move forward, but at the same time, you're trying to heal your marriage and you are really not in the right mind-set to do that. So you're ultimately short-changing yourself and your husband while you try and get your shit together! Let me just say, it sucks! The single women envy the married women, but having a husband does not help or cure anything in this process. Your own healing is just delayed as far as I'm concerned, and he has the misfortune of being an additional victim of the psychopath and suffers collateral damage. For that I am truly sorry and wish I could change it with a change of attitude. In spite of what my husband has done to contribute to the demise of our relationship, he doesn't deserve to suffer the affects of my relationship with the psychopath.
Aug 2 - 12AM (Reply to #18)
greengirl91
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Smitten Kitten, I don`t know

Smitten Kitten, I don`t know how it is to have a husband like you, but I know how it is to have a best guy friend, with whom maybe there would have been a possibility to be in a relationship or something. He also had his own issues, of course. But I couldn`t do to him, or to other nice people, men I met, what the psycho N had been done to me. I was thinking yesterday, that is the major difference ( along the maaany others ) between being human, AND being a psychotic Narcisist: when you understand that a person feels for you, suffers for you,and you can`t reciprocicate, you let them go..you let them fly. Let them hate you, but then move on and find their way. But the Narcs enjoy this, probably get high on the possibility of controlling, torturing a poor heart, who dared to love them.. I`ve met some nice people, I would have wanted to get to know them better..they keep calling me, but I can`t do to them what has been done to me. Better to hate me now, and say "oh, I had a nice conversation with that one, but that`s it" than, spend time with them, even maybe being attracted to them, and THEN dissappear in my own fog and chaos. I feel it`s too soon for me dating and trusting, especially guys..it will take time, but I don`t hurry anymore, anywhere. I`m almost 2 months NC and since he`s been officially out even of my "online life". Still, the scars are still there, and worm. I have good days and bad days..hope that in time, there will be more good days. All in all, I tried to say that I understand how difficult must be being in a marriage, that also needs help. But God and time are by your side. In my situation, with the risk for some people around me to consider me insensitive, I`d rather set them free than involve them in my own chaos and fog. Even though the sky is getting more clearer, and I feel I`m coming back to life, like a child who learns the first footsteps.
Aug 2 - 12AM (Reply to #19)
Arwen
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Greengirl is that a photo of

Greengirl is that a photo of Marisa Tomei on your profile pic or are you her total double?
Aug 2 - 12AM (Reply to #20)
greengirl91
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Haha, Arwen, yes, it`s Marisa

Haha, Arwen, yes, it`s Marisa indeed! I love her, she`s a sweetheart :-) It`s from a movie called "Untamed Heart".
Aug 2 - 12AM (Reply to #16)
Arwen
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Smitten I just wrote a post

Smitten I just wrote a post about those of us who are married and have had affairs with N's, and you could not be more right. It solves nothing, getting over the N puts the marriage in an even more precarious position than it was for many years as mine has been, and it only knocks your own self-esteem down. Being in a lonely marriage that is problem-ridden is no picnic - thank you for saying that. I have discovered in all of this that my H is a covert narc. But he also does not need to be dealing with me crying and obsessive over something he knows nothing about. It's just a mess all the way around. Anyway but getting back to the poster of this thread - please stay strong. None of it is worth your sanity and that is what you are playing with now - your very sanity.
Aug 2 - 9AM (Reply to #17)
nancyh
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Arwen, thank you for your

Arwen, thank you for your support and the post regarding marrieds that have affairs, it was helpful. Honestly, I don't feel good enough for my husband because I had an affair. I am trying to make amends . . . . You are right, I am playing with my sanity if I get involved with the Narc again and one thing I know for sure, I do not want to go through the crazy, chaotic roller coaster I was on when I was with the Narc. Hugs to you, Nan

Nan

Aug 1 - 4PM
strongblackcoffee
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Nancyh

Let my cautionary tale be just the kick you need. I couldn't fight the overwhelming urge to contact him about his upcoming promotion that I totally helped him get....even though he is the reason this relationship is screwed up beyond repair, I just couldn't leave well enough alone, and I unblocked his number (red flag warning me to stop) and then typed the text (flag 2) tried to send twice and wouldn't go through (flags 3 and 4) and it went through on third try....felt sick to my stomach afterward. He replied almost immediately with two sucky words thank you. That was it! Piece of S&&&. I immediately reblocked and m now beating myself up for sending it to begin with My own worst enemy it seems. Please don't. If you do and you feel just a tiny bit like I do right now, u will regret it. Big time. Hugs and strength your way. Coffee
Aug 2 - 8AM (Reply to #13)
nancyh
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StongBlackCoffee, Thank you

StongBlackCoffee, Thank you for sharing your recent experience with me, it is timely. My Narc has an upcoming important "anniversary" and I have been thinking of sending some sort of acknowledgement, but after reading your post, I will not. You are right, not worth it & it is true, we can be our own worst enemy. Nan

Nan

Aug 1 - 1PM
Hunter
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Today I listened to scoops

Today I listened to scoops post! Do it ASAP! These men are crazy, I too miss the dream! But what it was,was a predator getting his jollies off destroying our soul! His hoovering Is a game to fuck with you! Do you enjoy being a piece of his game? Why isn't he blocked??? Don't disappoint me, and definitely don't disappoint yourself! Hunter
Aug 1 - 12PM
Brooke1
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nancyh

I got sucked into meeting mine a few weeks ago,after almost no contact for a couple months. He said he missed me,and wanted to go out for coffee together. It got to me,so i ended up meeting him. It was very sad for me,even though we got along and didnt argue-because i know its a dead-end relationship and that i could never have the close and trusting relationship that i wanted with him. Its like having a piece of a person, if even that. I dont know about your narc,but with mine, he's not capable of caring about my feelings,interests, or truly sharing a life together. He's commitment-phobic for one thing, and even if he wasnt, like i said, he's not a whole person. No concience (it seems), cant be trusted, to easily bored, much resentment and unforgivness toward his dad and others that affects all his relationships...etc. Oh, i forgot something: If he's anything like mine, he will mess with your mind,and you'lle be twisting your brain trying to sort everything out.After i came away from spending time with my n last time, i was so sad and angry and confused, i felt like my brain had been through a meat grinder! Oh,to get to my point.lol---I regretted meeting with him because it brought back strongly my attachment, just from talking with him a few hours and being in his arms! and for what? He isnt sorry for ruining the relationship. We talked about almost everything but the relationship.i could tell he hadnt missed me,even though he claimed to. I could feel the lack of emotion. Its a lose-lose situation,because if he's all affectionate and says all kinds of things you want to hear, you'lle get sucked-in and it will be hell. But if he doesnt say and act how you hoped he would, you wont like that either. I hope you dont do it.You will be shocked at how much that attachment feeling will grip you again. Its sad for me to feel that because i know if mine truly loved me,he wouldnt have treated me the way he has,and that if he was going to love me and change for me,it wouldve happened by now.Please save yourself the trouble and pain. Its US that pay the price when we let them in again. We get consumed by them all over again while they are off thinking about.....THEMSELVES,and doing things we'd rather not know im sure. They have no heart for us,any more than a cat torturing a mouse.
Aug 1 - 1PM (Reply to #9)
nancyh
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Indifferencesucks, I'm sorry

Indifferencesucks, I'm sorry that you felt so down after you met up with the Narc but I appreciate you sharing your experience. When you said that "Its a lose-lose situation" - You words are so true. I still feel attached to him and we haven't spoken in over 6 months - and lately I have been feeling that it would not take much to pull me into his web again. I will be the only person that suffers here. I know you correct and that I will be consumed with him again and once he knows he "has me" he will do his D & D again (from what I have read, maybe even worse than before since I have been silent for 6 months). Again, thank you for sharing your experiences and for your kind words - they have helped me regain some of my internal strength. Nan

Nan

Aug 1 - 2PM (Reply to #10)
Brooke1
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nancyh

oh good, your welcome:)
Aug 1 - 12PM
strivingforhealing (not verified)
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STOP this train!

I have been right where you are....the addiction is so so cunning sometimes...the amnesia is setting in..take the "reality pill" now...for the next 20 minutes- sit and remember every painful thing he did to you..every demeaning, devaluing, ignoring, withholding thing...say them aloud if you have to. the high of contact will be so so short lived. the crash of reality may take MONTHS...you have come so far...do not lose yourself again. stay close to this forum...do something exciting that won't kill you- like a trip, a massage, dance, a great meal at a great restaurant.....but do not contact someone that DOES NOT deserve your precious heart and time..
Aug 1 - 1PM (Reply to #7)
nancyh
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Dear Strivingforhealing, I'll

Dear Strivingforhealing, I'll take 10 of those reality pills, please. Your words are just what I needed and I did what you said and wrote down as many painful experiences that I could within 15 minutes and if you don't mind I'd like to share a few: (1) He was never happy & would be nasty regarding any of my personal or professional successes or those of my family. I stopped telling him anything good that happened. (2) Never sent me a holiday or birthday card - just acknowledged them via email - despite telling me he was putting something together for me (oh, I'm still waiting for it). (3) I ordered (and paid) for some thoughtful, nice items for his kids and he would not send me a photo of the items. (4) When he visited the area where I lived we ended up arguing over something he created in his mind and we didn't see each other. (5) I remember writing in my journal (in the beginning) that his behavior and words were "venomous" towards me and was so puzzled by the behavior when I did not do anything "wrong". (6) He would give me the silent treatment for no reason. (7) He would be sarcastic and as cold as a slab of ice while I was sobbing on the telephone because of the way he treated me and I could not understand why (and his reasons never made sense anyway). What a winner, huh (and there are plenty more examples)? OH MY GOD - I can't believe I want to allow this chaos into my life again. Oh yes, I remember the shame, insecurity and shame I felt then/now. I have done all of those things you listed above - massage, trips, hosting parties, shopping, reading, etc. . . . (and more) to keep him out of my head, to stay in the moment and maybe even to avoid my desire for him too - I think that if I keep busy enough I won't have time to think about him. I have become quite the social, entertaining butterfly. I truly thank you for your words and suggestions - it has helped me tremendously. Nan.

Nan

Aug 1 - 12PM
spinning
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Nan, sweety, you

were my beacon many times in my journey through this crap! See what "contact" brings? You are confused, twisted up in knots, shaken. That doesn't feel good to you any more. Life without all that uncertainty is soooo much better. I know you know that. You understand that you let him know you still care about him and that is why the hoovering has amped up. You also know that he's a pro, a master. You gave him the "in" so of course he's posting pretty words about you because he KNOWS you'll see them. TRY TO REMEMBER THE FACTS WHEN YOU WERE INVOLVED WITH HIM. PRETTY WORDS ARE CHEAP. DID HIS ACTIONS EVER MATCH HIS WORDS? Nan, I have found that contact equals pain. That's the bottom line. If you can please go NC again (don't look at the web sites, don't read his phony e-mails.) You are better than that. Your life is good, as you say. Don't let him come in and create chaos. It could be something you (or your marriage) might not survive this time... I hope this helps some, Nan. I'm pulling for you! Most sincerely, (trying super hard to stay away from) spinning. IT'S A CHOICE. I REJECT ALL CHAOS AND DESTRUCTION.

spinning

Aug 1 - 12PM (Reply to #5)
nancyh
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Spinning, And I can't tell

Spinning, And I can't tell you how many times your posts got me through the hard times on my (ongoing) journey to maintain NC. And your words didn't help "some" they have and are helping me tremendously, thank you. You of course are 100% correct - his actions NEVER, EVER, EVER matched his words, E.V.E.R. Thank you for the memory jogger - I obviously don't feel or remember the sting of the hurt and pain I allowed him to cause me - which should be incentive enough to stop the maddness. 220 days ago I made a decision to walk away from him because I knew that as long as I was connected to him my world would forever be chaotic and crazy and I couldn't do that to me, my family and sorry to say, even him. Thank you so much for your support. Nan

Nan

Aug 1 - 12PM
adoette
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nancy

I'm lying down on the tracks to STOP THIS TRAIN! No good will come out of it. Go back to COMPLETE NC, nancy. This train will lead you to the pits of hell. He is like a drug. Feels so good, hurts so bad. You can do it. Do whatever it takes to stop looking and stop hoping and stop the insanity. Sleep. Watch. Read. Walk. Whatever it takes! (Well, as long as it is legal=]) You are a shining star. Do not slip down to the depth of the shitmarsh the N dwells in. Oh, and on a final logistical note, can you block block block him any more? If so, DO IT. Set up your fortress and be your own queen. Stay strong. So glad you came here. Keep on coming! Take care of yourself and step slowly away from the monster and hope that he goes back to sleep. Here's to you and your superpowers! Use 'em! Adoette
Aug 1 - 12PM (Reply to #3)
nancyh
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Adoette, Thank you for your

Adoette, Thank you for your words of support - through your and other's responses - I am regaining my resolve (and a much needed dose of reality) and am going to stay out of the shitmarsh - where I would indeed find myself if I "go there" again. Hugs to you, Nan

Nan

Aug 1 - 12PM
adoette
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nancy

Sorry...my reply posted twice. I'm pretty sure no one needs to read it two times! Go take on the day!