Narcs and there stupid conditional love

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#1 Jan 12 - 3PM
Qing Yuan
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Narcs and there stupid conditional love

I tell him that asking for me to shave my legs and work in a job that he chooses for me is wrong and anyway its conditional love. He says that I put conditions on his love. I ask what they are and he says that ‘you want me to be interested in your stuff, your work or your essays and stuff’ I am gob snacked… and I say, ‘ you know what yes, If that is a condition of my future relationships, then yea I would want my partner to take some honest moderate level of interest in me and my work, AND I am sure that this sort of respectful normal thing should be given in any relationship on a mental emotional level. Why would you be with someone who you weren't interested in that way???? Lord knows???
I wonder why I am not telling him the conditions my love?
‘Like I only see a future for us if you can stop being a asshole’
He says, ‘you have noticed haven’t you, haven’t I been kinder and nicer to you’ and wants to know what have I done for him in return… OMG. Can you believe this person.. That in thankfulness of his being a BIT kinder and nicer, I am too start to show my gratefulness?! … My god you ignorant person, that’s supposed to be a given, being kind and nice to your partner, not something done for down payment on the returns given. Being kind isn’t a sacrifice??? It is to him…
I am thinking what the hell can I do to get away form this man when we have got the situation with raising our dear little boy. I know that my boy is going to get abused at some point if I am now. What will he say is not ‘satisfying his needs’ about his son. What insecurities and irrational criticisms will he project on him? I am fearful and dead inside. I am not good enough for him apparently and then after wards I receive a barrage of texts that tell me I am beautiful and he loves me…
He doesn’t know what authentic love is.
I am yet again in a state of trauma.
I honestly don't think my therapist can see how bad this is.
She has told me that I need to 'choose to react' in way that does not allow him to damage me but just saying 'No' but I do try for while to be calm, strong and guarded but he always manages to find a way in. I want NO contact... I am not making the appropriate steps and just getting sicker. I sound like a victim and I just don't know myself anymore.
I wish we all have to never see or hear or 'feel' the dark energy of these losers around us ever again. More children are reared by Narcs, more people damaged by them and end up like em;. It is in the veins of the very corporations that modern life is built upon. I hate this shit. I feel that I will either die, I feel so ill, or I will get out... I am not sure which today...

Jan 13 - 4PM
Qing Yuan
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Thanks for your words of strength.

Thanks for your words of strength and hope.... I feel better today because all the 'hope' is now within myself to recover and live my life rather than in the idea of having a happy life with him. He is still harping on about my body hair after all these years, about his sexual needs, about what I need to change to make him happy. About his perfection and my lack of... My God maybe one day I will be happy to take a razor to my body for someone who actually loves me but even then, if the man in my future cant love me for me, for more than the ideal of a painful beatification process ( i get eczema on my legs anyway) and 'see' me as a emblem of light hair or no hair, then man I am just gona enjoy my life on my own with my little boy. He listed the crap like I was some kind of a old mare in show for thorough-bread horses!!! I was laughing and crying at the same time by the time he had finished!!!! I was upset that I could be so stupid for getting sucked in again and again and laughing that he could be so stupid in general... All the things he has been doing to butter me up recently that I was falling for it, were of course emblems of more manipulative game playing. I started to think there was hope for out child, for our family, for our future, he was being nicer and I was holding out hope. But were back at square one, listening to a list of my flaws and failings like a catalogue of shit! I also laughed, when he said about how he wanted the raw food vegan wife that I had promised to be... I laughed out loud as he had been at my house for the last three days (with our son, not me) eating cooked potatoes, fish, eggs, chips, my home made chocolate cake... shit man... I bet he thinks I made him eat it too. I know for a fact that he blamed me, when he lived here, for 'his' eating 'imperfect ' food... My God, when I blamed him for my 'drinking', he was quick to remind me it was a choice and my responsibility to drink and not his issue at all. I thought about it and he was right actually, I was making the choice to screw myself up and make myself ill, that's why I stopped boozing and asked him to leave. What a brilliant choice I made. And yet here I am being blamed for his own inability to live the 'perfection' he wants me to be. Sometimes I think he wants me to be stronger than him, so that he doesn't have to work so hard... I was very very strong kung fu kicking fit healthy woman when we met, he bludgeoned me with his bullying and then he wondered where that vibrant alive woman went and I think he was scared that he would have be the strong one. He didn't want to carry me, he wanted to be carried, but even grace jones would feel pretty weak at the end of being in a room with him for five minutes. I woke up feeling clear and oddly energetic. It was dark, I had to go to work in the snow and I usually feel tired and lazy at 7am, but for some reason, the fact that he told me I shouldn't work in my job, in his list of faults, it made me wana go to work and have a great day working really hard. I felt like some shit had really shifted and there was a new space in me to fill. I thought that I have been spilt with him for nearly a year now and not one bit of me had any regret or sadness anymore. Just relief and hope for my life. I love and accept myself, hair and all. I never felt so self accepting as I do now. he helped me to do that too. I might thank him for that one day??? ( Maybe? ) I felt like for the first time I really didn't want a relationship with him anymore and I don't think I truly had ever really felt that in this way before. Not when he slept with me and wouldn't stick around, not even when he wrote me the letter that insulted my weight gain and called me a slob. I still dint get it. but I know that I will soon be ready to be truly healthy and maybe even one day date again or be a sexual being. WOW, I am not skinny anymore and Im not gona wear sexy clothes for a man. I might actually meet a man who will see the light on the inside instead of seeing me as some kind of doll to change and develop. I wont be the party piece on someone's arm and that feels really good. I think if someone was to like me how I look now, bit chubby, dreads, body hair, then maybe I would have met someone worth meeting, who knows? I know loving me first is most important but I just had an real moment of realization that something had really change within me forever. Yea one day I might even thank him... :) We are all capable of being in healthy relationships. Being respected and understood. I feel sure that next time a I meet a 'Narc' the red flags will be so loud and blaring that I will never end up in this kind of place ever again. I believe that why we are all lucky to be here in the web site sharing this. So we can stay protected and clued up... Next time we meet a dumb ass we will feel the truth and act on it straight away. Instead of being passive and letting the 'shit' manipulator in to grow like a super tumor, we will reflect a no bullshit approach and we will be able to filter out the 'bad eggs' for the 'fresh ones'. I feel sure of that now... God bless us and speed us, as we regain our power... xxx
Jan 13 - 1PM
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yesterday on Dr. Phil there

yesterday on Dr. Phil there was a couple where the man cheated, the OW called the wife and insulted her, and on the program he started telling her what she had to do to change so he could care about her more than the OW. Dr. Phil was very strong in his comments telling the woman she didn't have to change at all and that she was married to someone who had problems and she should consider getting out. The wife was nervous about that as she has children and is afraid. By the time the program was ending there was a big change the scaredwife was pretty calm and said she should get out and the narcissistic husband was shocked and scared. A complete role reversal! Dr. Phil never mentioned the word narcissisim.
Jan 13 - 2PM (Reply to #9)
Barbara (not verified)
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Dr. Phil

a dear friend was on Dr. Phil about her ex husband a few years back Dr. Phil called him a SOCIOPATH (this dude sure was a full blown one!) the lawyers had the word edited out of the program... ....SO MUCH FOR EDUCATING THE PUBLIC! ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Jan 13 - 8AM
itreallyisabouthim
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Like I only see a future for us if you can stop being a asshole

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Jan 13 - 8AM
itreallyisabouthim
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Like I only see a future for us if you can stop being a asshole

I loved that line. I'm sorry you are in this bad spot where you sort of know what you need to do but aren't quite there yet. I was there for a long time as I think were many of us. I hope you are free of him soon and on the road to repair. It sounds like your therapist is trying to help you get along with him better, is that right? But you are wanting your therapist to really see how damaged he is and bear witness, right? Maybe keep looking. Mine does this and I cannot tell you how healing it is. I will read her things or tell her things that he did and because she gets narcissism (her jaw will drop as I talk and she'll gently hiss "naaaaarc") in amazement like she's hearing of some exotic specimen in a zoo. Just my two cents on that. What you wrote about how you do want your future relationships to feature an actual caring man reminds me nearly word for word of a conversation I had with my STBX. He said he was looking forward to meeting someone who loves him for who he is and I said that's great and you do understand that most women will also want you to return the favor? He was stunned. Hadn't really occurred to him.
Jan 12 - 8PM
agnesmurphy17
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Just reread your story

This guy is really nuts. You can get rid of this guy. That's it. Or you can just go round & round with his nonsense. And waste your time with his really stupid discourses. He's not going to change. From your story, I gather that you & N do not live together. You have a job. Your child is school age but not in school for reasons stated in your story (home schooled?). And N watches the child while you work. As the psychiatrist I saw for awhile when I was trying to ascertain that I was not crazy & maybe my husband was really abusive -- the psychiatrist said to me: Look, I really do not care what you do. You can come here as much as you like & complain about your husband. But, in that event, you are going to have to change & accept the way he is & simply not get so upset. Anyhow, I left my husband after about 3 months of therapy. I left him exactly 2 1/2 years after we married & we co-own a house. No children. I've lost a lot in leaving him. One simply has to elect the lesser of two evils . . . or accept the N for what he is & not be upset. He's not gonna change.
Jan 12 - 8PM
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Don't you know that Narcs

Don't you know that Narcs get extra points for doing anything that resembles a human being? "Look how I put gas in the car. Wasn't that great?" I just took a shower. Don't I smell good?" ( and we are to say "oooo..wow..you took a shower. Points for you asshole." They think the oposite way we do. They are probably thinking "Am I not kind for not running you over with my truck today?" LOL
Jan 12 - 5PM
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Breadcrumbs

Thats exactly what it is too. I had an epiphany reading this. I met someone who is becomming a very good friend and confidant. I found out my Narc was cheating on me because he was sitting on the curb with her in front of the store they both work at. Now - I see what I have achieved in seven months. I know what I attract and it is not some cheating lying loser who "shits where he eats" so to speak. I attract really nice guys with great jobs. Here I have been crying and fretting over a man who came here with nothing. A bag of clothes. I footed the bill for everything just to watch him get a job that now I know is the only thing he can do - and watched him humiliate me in front of a woman that can only work in a discount store - so I had my lightbulb moment. I have been fretting and crying over an emotionally abusive man. But guess what - he created a man that was so much more than I now "see". Not that his job or anything bears anything because the truth is - if he was not a narc I would have gladly and proudly stood by his side until the day I died. I loved him that much - but now I see that I was damaged by damage. So now I can stop crying about the guy and girl sitting on the curb - THEY are right where they belong. On the curb. You will see this someday - someday you will get so sick and so tired of the crap - you will have your lightbulb moment. We cant tell you when this will happen - but it will. Just be safe for now.
Jan 12 - 4PM
Empathy
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YES - GET OUT!!!

Vix, What u are describing is what I have lived for 10 or more years with my ex-husband. What you must come to realise is that THEY will never change and they ARE THE PROBLEM. Plan to leave - secretly. Get some cash together- find somewhere to live, take your son. It will be hard.... for a few months probably.... BUT then u will see life really can be good again... like NORMAL and HAPPY. You know ... you remember what normal and happy was.. maybe when u were a kid... well it can actually happen... I am getting there myself... now having MORE goo days than BAD. Now i understand the narcs behaviour and evilness ... I am better equiped to deal with any communication from him regarding my kids. You can do it.... iam praying and thinking of you. lve Jo. I WILL Survive.
Jan 12 - 3PM
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vix

You're describing typical N behavior. They are continually changing the goal posts on us at their whim. And yes, they do think if they're being 'nice enough', you should be thrilled and accepting of whatever breadcrumbs they choose to toss our way. It's crazy-making alright. Sorry to say, but being a single mom is much better than having one healthy and one abusive parent. You're right, your son is in for abuse himself, and already being greatly effected by mom being subjected to the hell it is living with an N. You likely will get ill or feel the side-effects in more pronounced ways if you stay. I like alternative #3 - get out. This can all turn around for you if you make that choice.