Narcissistic Projection

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#1 Sep 14 - 6PM
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Narcissistic Projection

Pinning the Tail on the Wrong Donkey
by Kathy Krajco

Here's a way to spot projection even when you haven't enough direct knowledge of a controversy to know through observation where the truth lies. It's something I suppose only a writer would notice about human dialog. One of those things we notice about the way people talk that we use to make fictional characters realistic.

Projection is of course intellectual dishonesty. People may project their own character off onto a another person, or they may project the character of one person in a conflict onto the other. In the second case, people are siding with the bad guy, such as the bystanders do when they blame the victim.

A sure sign is their diction - word choice. It's always ironic. Why? Because they're always busy "cleansing" their guy of wrongdoing with their talk.

So, to erase any glaring character flaws coming through in his behavior, they (perhaps almost subconsciously) dump a label for that very character flaw ON THE OTHER PARTY.

Do you see what they're doing? It's a little mental trick of wiping that dirt off the bad guy's image and smearing it on the good guy's.

The result is farce. Which easy to detect if you're paying attention.

For, if an honest person were talking, someone who honestly felt the other party was at least somewhat to blame, he or she wouldn't totally reverse reality this way.

This is how, for example, you get people characterizing the abuser as, of all the things, the victim. Enough to make the head spin. Getting things that backwards is no accident: it's projection.

We saw a perfect example in the case of the BBC's Raging Sweeney. Clowns called HIM, of all things, the "victim." Now, an honest person might be critical of the Scientolologist in that conflict, but no honest person (a person not thinking with lies) would get what happened THAT ass-backwards.

Of course, Sweeney played them like a fiddle for it, just like a narcissist does, by following his rage with a face-change into a "poor-little-ole-me-wouldn't-hurt-a-fly" act, but "I was so picked on that I lost my poor temper."

Not. He turned it on and off like a light switch, so he wasn't really provoked. But people invested in the message want to side with him, so they ludicrously misplace the labels of "abuser" and "victim" in this affair.

That isn't just wrong: it's a farce. That exactly REVERSES reality. They are just playing the shell game with labels.

To see through them, all you have to do is look at the video: which party is the abuser and which the victim couldn't be more obvious. That is something no honest person can get backwards.

So, projection is easy to detect if you just notice the labels people put on others. Just ask yourself which party that particular label is more fitting for. When you are hearing projection, you will immediately see that the person handing you this line is playing "Pin the Tail on the Wrong Donkey."

Here's another example. Another glaring thing about that video is that Sweeney just blows up suddenly, out of the blue. In other words, his rage is an outburst.

Therefore, no honest, clear thinking person would attribute the "outburst" to anyone but Sweeney.

But a projecter will. Since "outburst" is a perfect word for characterizing Sweeney's behavior, a projector will lay that label on someone else, instead. Projectors will call someone else's reaction to Sweeney, of all things, an "outburst."

Why would a projector choose that exact word? To remove it from Sweeney's account and put it on someone else's.

They are just pinning that tail on the wrong donkey.

Who are they trying to fool? Good question. Usualy themselves more than you.

Projectors thus give themselves away by always dumping the appropriate labels on the wrong party.

In this case, it's their way of cleansing Sweeney of his misconduct and smearing it off on someone defending against it.

They'll do the same with the hate. They don't lay that label on the bigot, they lay it on the offended party for answering the slur. The offended party must take the hatred of bigotry in good grace and with a smile or be guilty of ... you guessed it, "hate." Not a word from the projector about the hate in the bigot's slur.

What hate? He or she didn't detect any hate there.

One wonders what it's like to live in a head as cock-eyed as that!

In short, projectors are always getting the actor and acted upon reversed, the offender and offended reversed, the abuser and the victim reversed, the hater and hated reversed. That's why I call them clowns, for the original meaning of clown was someone with a foggy head.

Narcissists do this 20 times a day, and they are expert at manipulating the bystanders to do it, too.

So, watch for this in the diction of others. Pay attention to their diction, the labels they put on others. Is it a bridge too far? Does the word they choose to describe someone or something with seem peculiar? Do you wonder where it came from? Check it. Does it pin the tail on the wrong donkey?

Is it downright ironic in the light of what you know first hand?

If so, you are listening to someone deluding themselves. Don't let them delude you too.

An honest person may be wrong. But an honest person never reverses and makes a farce of reality.

http://narc-attack.blogspot.com

Apr 19 - 2AM
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Hi, have you anyone seen the

Hi, have you anyone seen the film Gaslight from 1944? It's a very interesting film that helped me to understand the way I was manipulated. Although it's not precisely projection, it's a type of manipulation the narcissists use too often. It's about a young woman who marries a man who tries to deprive her gradually of her sanity. He isolates her from her friends and the rest of the world with the excuse for her "health condition", so that she loses all reference points outside and her husband can take over the control of her perception of reality. She gradually starts to lose trust in her own senses and think she might be mentally ill and crazy, after all, as her husband suggests. He dims the gaslights in their house and when she points this fact out, he claims it's just her imagination. He hides pictures and other objects and claims it was her, and as she is isolated and has no other reference point or touch with reality outside, she soon starts to believe it must be so. The psychologist have even derived from this film a term "gaslighting" which stands for this type of manipulation. This film had a really powerful effect on me n I recommend. You can download it for free via Torrents at http://www.kickasstorrents.com/gaslight-1944-avi-t764457.html. There are many versions of this film from 1940's but I think the best one is this 1944 with Ingrid Bergman. I had a narcissist mother who did everything possible to make me lose trust in my own judgement of reality. At the beginning I saw right through her, I saw how pathetic and false she was with her lies. At that time my parents were still fighting which one of them will have me in their custody after their divorce, so I was a valuable asset and weapon in their fight and in their wish to hurt each other. But when I was about 7, the outcome of their divorce became clear and my mother had me secured in her care. She wasn't so afraid any more to lose me, she already had her triumph over my father. N the hell started. She isolated me from the rest of the world, told me I shouldn't think someone loved me out there, because I was unlovable and I should consider myself fortunate that she treats me the way she does, cause no one will ever treat me better. That wasn't really comforting.. I was keeping in secret what made me happy cause she would immediately take it from me or spoil it. And so on and so on.. When in front of others I told something that suggested how she treated me, she then punished me in private and threatened not to talk about such things. I don't know if people were getting what was going on, but if they did, no one helped me. It would have been enough to tell me, your mum is sick, it's not about you at all. In the end I gave up, as I couldn't stand more of the psycho terror and pressure. I started to say the same hateful and devaluating things about myself as she did, cause I knew it would make her happy and it will be easier for me this way than to fight with her all the time, I couldn't any more.. Any actions of people outside, she interpreted them as their disregard for me, although it was far-fetched, but after some time I started to believe I was really worthless for others. Well, I wasn't worth for anyone to help me or encourage me, so in a way it seemed true. I had to have the best grades at school and look perfectly normal, cause the image was very important for her, so that she looks like a prefect mother and I stay in her custody. Lot's of gaslighting going on too. She was accusing me of stealing things in shops and lying, and imagine I never lied to her, never dared, and never stole anything. Accusing me of feelings and thoughts I never had. Soon I started to feel unsure about what I really felt or thought, she said she knew better than me, soon she could impose anything on me and I would feel guilty for that. n I still have this problem today and that makes me really manipulable. When something was robbed at school, I was totally flushed n felt guilty, n everyone then wondered if it was me as I felt guilty. I wasn't sure any more if I knew what I was doing. Totally messed up.. Even today when I go to a shop I sometimes feel guilty, the security might think I came to steel something.. My mother died when I was 14, but afterwards I always attracted lots of narcissists who abused me painfully. I'm trying to get back in touch with myself, the clear state of mind I was in before I was 7. It's getting better and it really helps to read your comments, n realize narcissist people exists, it's not all my imagination and I'm not crazy. I also like very much your posts Lisa, they have a spiritual dimension and your view on life reminds me of Osho, whom I value very much. Thank u all.
Dec 30 - 2PM
fooled no longer
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Hi Scoop, I hope you're

Hi Scoop, I hope you're counting down to a much better year I certainly am! I'm grateful to all the amazing women on here who have helped me to the light in a dark tunnel. I will survive and I will help others. There is life after a NARCATTACK.
Dec 30 - 12PM
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Its a bumping up kind of day

Its a bumping up kind of day folks ... an oldie but goody , stand by for a couple more bump ups . xx
Mar 1 - 6PM
Barbara (not verified)
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Projection via Blog

Psycho-Boy projects... CLICK HERE I find this hysterical considering he ADMITTED to me he was a Sexual Narc and had NPD!!! ~~~~~~~~~ The world is a dangerous place, not only because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein Visit My Info. Website for Abuse Victims
Mar 2 - 4AM (Reply to #5)
narcnarcwhosthere (not verified)
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do they KNOW they're doing it??

i've always wondered this.....psychonarc was the grand zen master of projecting his garbage onto me.....does he KNOW all that garbage is his??..for example....he had lived off me and my credit forever....everything was mine...and in my name...because i had perfect credit (until he destroyed it) and he couldn't buy a pack of gum on credit.....one day near the end... when i had stopped making the payment on the house his name eas also on the deed to...the one he refused to sign a listing agreement for..the one that was bleeding me dry to the tune of almost 1600 bucks a month.....he had a raging fit...because i wouldn't make that payment...he was tryin to hold onto that money pit..to drain me and because it was the ONLY thing that had his name on it anywhere...he stood there in the middle of room and screamed at me.....'why am i surprised by this??!!..you've never paid a debt in your entire life!!..you've never paid for anything!!..'..just on and on and on......now...it was obviously untrue....did he know he was projecting....or did he believe his own BS???...he KNEW everything was mine, right?....bought with my credit..my money?....or do they really believe the crap they're spewing?...and how can they believe it....when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary?....projection is one of the things i've never understood....i know they do it...but i don't get it My blog
Jun 7 - 11PM (Reply to #10)
broken23
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i believe the know because

i believe the know because he wrote me a email, after he got reverse mad at me for standing up for myself and not talking to him for a few days and said "i dont need to project my feelings on someone who isnt there" i had no idea what projection was in the narc sense...and i dont think he does either. but that at least tells me he knows he lies/projects his feeling on to others to make himself feel better. another time i asked him why do you say these horrible twisted things to me...and he said "because it makes me feel better about myself and is easier".
Mar 2 - 4AM (Reply to #6)
serene69
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What do they really know

I think some Ns are aware sometimes what they are like. One time my N was in a bad mood and we were emailing. He said he had had a bad year. I said don't I know it - and outlined to him in 2009 I divorced after 8 years with someone, tore a knee ligament skiing, had to move house, my grandma died and 6 weeks later my dad died. When we met later that evening he said we should finish it as 'it was not fair on me after everything I had gone through.' All I can assume from that, as he was in one of his depressed moods, is that he part realised that he knew he was hurting me in some way. He also texted me later that night and told me he was damaged, that he was in a madness and sickness that no-one else should be involved with. Of course after that he became even nastier - as I think he realised he had told me too much - I knew too much - and he was absolutely vile - leading to me contacting his ex. So he obviously had a brief awareness - but not for long.
Jun 8 - 6AM (Reply to #9)
Barbara (not verified)
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awareness

they are VERY aware they simply DO NOT CARE ~~~~~~~~~ Effective Coaching Specifically for Victims of Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
Mar 2 - 4AM (Reply to #7)
narcnarcwhosthere (not verified)
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the psychonarc

he never experienced a moment of clarity i don't believe..where he actually knew what a piece of crap he is..but i always believed that he knew full well when he was lying/projecting....for instance..he filed a wild crazed rambling false police report against me...some would say he was projecting and had no idea it wasn't true...but...the minute a lawyer called him and told him we were going to the prosecutor about his FALSE police report....he ran down and recanted the whole thing...if he had really believed his crap...was really delusional...i would think he would have stood by his lie......i think he always knew when he was lying....and the moment it looked like someone other than he and i was going to know he was lying.....he'd recant his nasty lies...to cover his own butt, of course...but it always seemed to me that he knew his projections were total lies....... My blog
Jun 7 - 11PM (Reply to #8)
broken23
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narcnarc mine filed a false

narcnarc mine filed a false police report against him. im planning to meet with the police chief to show it was false next week. do you have any advice? i just want the report removed from records...is this possible?
Mar 1 - 9PM (Reply to #4)
itreallyisabouthim
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Oh wow!

That is amazing. They just don't see it at all, eh?
Oct 17 - 10PM
Barbara (not verified)
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when Narcs project

SEE TOP POST ~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Pathologicals only discard the best, most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They despise the strong, principled, decent & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation of your worth!" - A.V.
Mar 2 - 12PM (Reply to #2)
peacewarrior
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Reversing reality

When control escalated it became blatantly apparent the exH took things and "flipped it to the opposite". Literally anything I said he'd rear up and snap like a switch got thrown shouting the opposite to me then ramp it up having plunged the knife in to twist "you are crazy....YOU ae out of touch with reality!" Truth is I did not nor shall I share pathalogic grandiose delusions nor go along that pathalogic lies are 'real'. I felt lucky a duaghter was around to see her father doing this. We went to counseling for guidance of how he'd "flip" things to extreme opposites. then the P dad conned people the T is controlling the daughter..we feed her pathalogical lies.destroying her to others to blame and shame people for our controlling behavior".Constant projection that escalated. I came to recognize when I ceased to defend myself that my FOO have no boundaries either. They take behaviors, character traits as if it's in candy jars 'free' they are entitled to pick and chose all for self they can put in their own bag, choosing the best and all good for them...and hand me or someone a bag of their personal s**t. I found the analogy of a shell game appropriate. If each shell is a person, these sick people switch things around to "win", to be "all good", to make selves blameless, guiltless, shameless and you lose! Many times they get on their high hoarse, with a lance or spear of their own words insisting opposites of reality, shouting at me "NO, no you did not say what you said!" invalidating reality and truth so they can insanely claim or position I am all the fault of another person on a crusade altering fact to defend one of their own. When I don't share their insane manufactured story, agree that clear conversations did "NOT" happen, like the donkey, my arse is pinned with the lable of "hopelessly mentally ill". LOL they "can't fix me" to be "healthy" like them! Yeah, yippee I no longer have any tolerance for insane chaos. Asserting reality, truth, boundaries who is whom and who said or did what is a farce. I like to think of these toxic people as players in the Theatre of the Absurd.