A MUST READ, what are your thoughts?

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#1 May 8 - 9PM
neverlookback
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A MUST READ, what are your thoughts?

Victims often wonder: do psychopaths fall in love? So far I have explained that psychopaths can’t love in the normal sense of having genuine empathy for others. But they can, and do, fall in love. Now I’d like to delve more deeply into the subject of how they fall in love and with whom. As we’ve seen, because of their ability to charm people, their seductive skills, their penchant for pleasure and their intense focus on their most desired targets, psychopaths can be (for a short while) extraordinarily passionate lovers. Their passion, however, finds itself in a constant race against time. The time usually runs out when the balance of power in the romantic relationship shifts dramatically in the psychopath’s favor. Picasso describes this process quite poetically when he tells his mistress, Francoise Gilot:

“We mustn’t see each other too often. If the wings of the butterfly are to keep their sheen, you mustn’t touch them. We mustn’t abuse something which is to bring light into both of our lives. Everything else in my life only weighs me down and shuts out the light. This thing with you seems to me like a window that is opening up. I want it to remain open. We must see each other but not too often. When you want to see me, you call me and tell me so.” (My Life with Picasso, 53-4).

Basically, in a relationship with a psychopath, the sheen wears off when you’re dominated by him. When you accept to engage in demeaning sexual (or any other kind of) acts or behavior. When you readily buy into his lies because they preserve the rosier, yet false, version of reality you want to believe. When you accept unfair double standards, where he enjoys important privileges you do not. When you need or want him far more than he needs or wants you. Psychopaths may begin romantic relationships on an equal footing with their partners. But, ultimately, they aim to end up on top. For themselves, they tend to adopt a pseudo-Nietzschean attitude towards conventional morality. They violate, with an air of entitlement and superiority, all moral principles. At the same time, they generally expect an almost fundamentalist prurience from their main partners.

Even those psychopaths who enjoy demeaning their partners by asking them to violate moral and sexual values—such as by dressing or acting like a “slut”—do so only on their terms. If a psychopath’s partner cheats on him out of her own volition with someone she cares about or desires, he’s likely to explode in self-righteous indignation and defile her public image. At the same time, however, he will proudly proclaim his right to fall in love with and date whomever he wants. He will lack the self-awareness to see the inconsistency of his attitude towards conventional morality and the emotional depth to care about its unfairness to others. You can’t be above the moral norms of good and evil yourself while demanding that those you interact with abide by them. That’s called hypocrisy, not transcending conventional values or being independent. Also keep in mind that even if a psychopath appears to respect his partner while regarding and treating other women as “hoes,” his attitude reflects a deep underlying misogyny that touches every woman he encounters.

As mentioned, sometimes a psychopath may prefer to humiliate his own partner by “sharing” her with others: but, once again, only at his bidding and on his terms. By way of contrast to the scenario where she cheats on him by choosing her romantic partners, this kind of violation of conventional values is likely to be acceptable (and even highly desirable) to a psychopath. He enjoys her degradation. Of course, abiding by such grossly unfair double standards can only lead to humiliation and disaster for the victim. “Pimping” one’s wife or girlfriend, as it’s crudely but accurately called, represents the very opposite of granting a woman sexual freedom. Moreover, such self-abasement can never achieve the desired effect of winning the psychopath’s interest and affection. For, as we’ve seen, although psychopaths enjoy dominance, easily dominated individuals don’t attract them for long.

So then what kind of person can keep the sheen on the wings of the butterfly for a longer period of time (to borrow Picasso’s metaphor)? Only a person who does not agree to demeaning or unfair conditions in the relationship and only for as long as she does not accept them. That is where one invests most time and emotional energy. Consequently, that is also where one’s true character is tested and revealed. This applies to romantic relationships in general, not just to psychopathic bonds. It stands to reason that if you don’t see yourself as equal to your partner, he won’t regard you as an equal or give you the respect you deserve.http://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com

To be more specific, I’ll offer two examples. As we know, psychopaths derive great pleasure from brief sexual liaisons. But those are not likely to spark their passion for two main reasons. The first one is that an unending series of sexual encounters make the psychopath himself jaded to physical and psychological pleasure. Sexual addiction resembles other addictions. Any kind of addiction, which necessarily implies excess and sheer volume (of a substance or number of partners), dulls one’s sensibilities, including the sensory and aesthetic ones to which sensual individuals are so highly attuned. Sex addicts become increasingly jaded to both sexual activities and partners. Contrary to the modern connotations of the term “hedonism,” the ancient hedonists practiced moderation, to better savor their pleasures. Recall how poignant even a simple kiss can be with a person you desire and respect. I’m not making a moral argument here, but an aesthetic and psychological observation, which is quite obvious. Thousands of sexually explicit images and acts can’t replace the stimulation offered by real chemistry with a single person, which you cultivate, focus upon and appreciate. When you disperse your sexual energy and attention on numerous partners, you also reduce the chances of experiencing a more lasting and exciting pleasure in any of those so-called “romantic” relationships. Since sexual addiction is so central to psychopathic behavior, I will explore this subject further in the next section.

The second reason has to do with the partners psychopaths are likely to encounter in promiscuous settings. Because our culture remains “sexist” in the sense that promiscuous women are looked down upon more so than promiscuous men, the kind of women one casually hooks up with on adult websites, clubs and bars are unlikely to establish the balance of power that even psychopathic passion depends upon. Some truisms are true. If you don’t treat yourself and your body with respect, chances are, neither will anyone else.

As one would expect, the issue of a balance of power is even more pertinent in long-term relationships. Any wife, girlfriend or lover who accepts glaring double standards in the relationship–relating to important issues such as fidelity, honesty and trust–is not going to hold a psychopath’s interest for long. The relationship will turn into a toxic attachment that combines a strong psychological enmeshment, mutual utility and convenience. The dominated partner will oscillate between false hope, intense neediness, despair and resentment at the unfair conditions. The dominant partner will fall back upon a sense of entitlement that quickly turns into boredom. He’s also likely to play catch and release games with his partner–essentially, engage in a series of break-ups and reconciliations–depending on whether he’s more bored with her and their family life or with his other girlfriends at any given moment.

Ideally, in a loving relationship, passion entails a deeper bond that comes from being both physically and emotionally excited by each other’s personalities and having an enduring mutual respect. In a psychopathic bond, however, passion translates into an intense physical attraction, an equally strong attraction to each other’s personalities and–in lieu of any genuine empathy and mutual respect–a balance of power. Without these components, even physical pleasures become bland for the psychopath. In turn, life for his partner turns into a series of humiliating concessions that can’t bring her happiness or reignite his interest. When you give up your pride and self-esteem for somebody else, you also lose your power and sense of identity. And, needless to say, any man who expects you to violate your self-respect and values for him doesn’t really love you and never will.

I suppose this is one way of saying that even psychopathic passion requires more than just physical attraction to last more than a few days. It also depends upon chemistry, balance and equality in the relationship, for as long as these can be sustained. In a psychopathic bond, however, they can’t last long. A psychopath needs to dominate, dupe and demean even the women he initially desires and admires. Once these elements are gone, as Picasso eloquently states, the window that used to allow light into the relationship closes for good.

May 9 - 2PM
momoya
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Somatic Narc

Very thought provoking post NLB The EXN was most likely a somatic Narc. I noticed that once he was no longer able to maintain the energy he needed to puff up his false self with me BUT also he could not hide it from me. It bothered him a lot and his true self emerged by sheer lack of energy to control maintaining his facade. He was drained when the light went out in my eyes. And since he watched me so closely he judged WHEN that happened before I was on to him in any real way. In the very beginning I had asked N to give me 24 hours for some space and to think. After our 1st conversation he had bombarded me with emails, and phone calls. I just needed a breather, but he didn't want me to take time to think. I turned off my phone and he left me 3 voice mails and became increasingly upset. Then he sent me emails that said "just tell me everything is going to be ok" he couldn't stand NOT knowing what I was thinking or feeling. I eventually gave in because he became more and more upset. He was terrified of being rejected. AFter I found out more in depth and very specific info from OW3 and wife#2 I learned of his true nature through his repeated behavior to all of us. I connected enough of the dots my self and drew my own (turned out to be quite accurate) judgment of who he really was and how he really lived his life. He lived in grandiosity and magical thinking MOST of the time and when not engaged in that he was depressed, closed off and reclusive. He was passive aggressive and seemed to like frustrating his wife with his disapearances and esp liked to hurt her via affairs/cheating with OW. I couldn't understand why she stayed with him and I couldn't understand why she never would communicate with me, but did communicate with OW3. I had my own questions and she could of helped me clear things up but I am sure he said I was 'crazy'. Funny thing is that I never lied about any of it - to anyone. He appeared to me to be running on empty right before he left. And when I asked him what this was all about he said " THIS IS me!" I had never met this guy before, the N is thought I knew was long gone and would never return. Turned out he went right back to his wife via hoovering her with attention and displays of affection via gifts. I had already learned of his banking purchases via my own background check. Two days after leaving me he had made a purchase at a jewelry store. He had finally returned home to his wife and he built her up on the pedastal again and she supplied him with about 2 weeks of good enough supply before he left her again - for OW3. HE seemed to change out supply every 2 weeks! I never really knew him, and if he had not of LIED to me about pretty much everything - he never would of had me at all. If not for his lies, my feelings would of not developed. He still walks around my life like a ghost. I don't know when he will finally leave my thoughts.

momoya

May 9 - 8AM
gettinbetter
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I just re read this and it

I just re read this and it hits the nail on the head. In fact I have to be careful not to read this again as it gives me the urge to send a fuck you text him. Someone please tell me don't do it. I am pissed off today for some reason
May 9 - 8AM (Reply to #8)
Lobo555
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Don't Do It! :)

The better F-you is to drop out of sight like you don't care at all. That really makes 'em crazy. . . er, *crazier*!
May 9 - 8AM (Reply to #9)
gettinbetter
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Thank u ! I'm not gonna. I

Thank u ! I'm not gonna. I just have this overwhelming urge to tell him what a f ing psycho he is. I am not sad or in despair or crying or anything like that. I am just plain ole pissed off today. Actually I'm not even just pissed off at him I'm actually pissed about a number of things today lol. I hate that I have to wait till Thursday for therapy. I wish I could bottle up my therapist and carry her around in my purse
May 9 - 12PM (Reply to #13)
Smitten Kitten (not verified)
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Maybe it's PMS

That always makes it worse for me. My worst days with this NC thing for the past 8 weeks are always during PMS or my period. That's when I'm either at my maddest or saddest. I too have had the urge to send a Fuck Off text to my exN many times, especially when I'm reading this stuff and I remember something new or hit upon a new realization and get mad all over again. But I don't do it for three reasons. One, it opens the door for communication and fighting again where I will have to go back to square one with all the progress I've made. Two, it gives him supply and I don't want him to have that satisfaction. And three, he will say, "See, she is crazy, just like my ex-wife. This is what I had to put up with," making him look like the victim once again.
May 9 - 9AM (Reply to #10)
neverlookback
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I am sorry

I didnt mean to evoke anger, but I KNOW how you feel when I read things like this and see how they CON I JUST GO CRAZY knowing their techniques as I was so in love with this piece of crap and he was nothing but a fraud, liar, cheat, and wack job. Speaking of carrying your therapist around in your purse, I actually almost did, there was a spell when I first discovered what this man was I almost had a break down so my counselor was on call for me I would call him driving down the street crying, hysterical, and he would calm me down and he got me through those moments, I never thought I would have to have a psychiatrist on call for me and this would have happened in my life, UNBELIEVABLE. I called mine a psycho told him what he was and he LAUGHED and said I was mentally unstable so it only furthers your anger, dont even bother they are so far gone and we are so far better without them, its like saying goodbye to GARBAGE, he isnt even worthy of uttering your name x0x0
May 9 - 1PM (Reply to #12)
gettinbetter
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NLB

Don't give it another thought actually the anger feels good. Its way better than pain and despair. In fact there are a few people I feel like saying fuck u to LOL! I am noticing slowly that I am accepting less and less bullshit and that's a good thing!
May 9 - 1PM (Reply to #11)
Steph
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NLB

"I called mine a psycho told him what he was and he LAUGHED and said I was mentally unstable " I told mine he was selfish and abusive....he laughed and told me i was "delusional" and "have issues". They really are all the same! xoxo
May 9 - 6AM
gettinbetter
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My Therapist and I talked

My Therapist and I talked about this She said Sociopaths can love but not like we do. They dont attach and that explained so much for me.
May 9 - 5AM
Goldie
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I agree with most of this

Having recently been with a psychopath, I am having trouble understanding what difference it would make whether he views you as a long or short term. Either way it is doomed for failure and misery. Also, it is nearly impossible with a P to keep your self respect and equal footing because they are so disordered, they don't respect or remain loyal to ANYONE for any length of time because they are always imagining that they are being slighted on some level, real or imagined. I did not put up with his crap and constantly called him on it and there were numerous consequences and STILL the relationship was a horror. Yes, he realized that I was NOT going to put up with his crap and that I was no one's doormatt, however, it was only a temporary FIX until the next episode. There is AlWAYS going to be a next episode. Whether or not you are the queen of the bitches and you put up with nothing and call them on everything, they will STILL grow bored and look elsewhere for stimulation. Oh sure they may become obsessed with you for awile and find that dynamic stimulating but NOT for the longhaul. Once they catch you they are bored and God forbid if you marry them because then you are done. That is a license for them to do whatever they please. Committment means NOTHING to them aside from steady reliable supply. My P would ALWAYS punish me if we had a great night. A night of closeness, intimacy, ect... I was sure to pay for it the next day with intense coldness. They basically crave that type of relationship and the minute they have it they set out to destroy it because they are INCAPABLE of true intimacy for any length of time. I read this article a few times and am still not sure if he is saying that by being strong, setting limits, and being an equal partner that you can have a relationship with a psychopath because you CANNOT. They are in bed with the devil and lack spirituality and this is why a relationship of any substance is IMPOSSIBLE with a psychopath. The ONLY solution is to GET OUT before they destroy you, because with them, it is mostly ALL AN ACT. They were already dead, long before you came along. God bless, Goldie
May 9 - 12PM (Reply to #5)
Steph
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Goldie

I really like your response, here. I have to admit, I read and reread this article several times thinking I was mininterpreting something maybe. But, like, you, I find it is saying that if you "stand your ground" then that shows you have respect for yourself and therefore will earn HIS respect. Not possible with a N or P. You are damned if you do, and damned if you don't. 100% of the time. Anyways, thanks for writing this. It really resonated with me:) xoxo
May 9 - 7AM (Reply to #3)
neverlookback
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Goldie

still not sure if he is saying that by being strong, setting limits, and being an equal partner that you can have a relationship with a psychopath because you CANNOT. I also read it that way, but I think the reader can pretty much come to the conclusion that this is a relationship if you DID in fact stay and had strong strong limits it would still be hell, if your the madonna or if you are the Hoes you CAN NEVER WIN and really to them you are an instant hoe if you have sex with them and if you play their wife you are too saintly to have sex so they just cheat on ya, I mean what the hell kind of sick logic is that? She is your wife for Gods sake and you supposed to have sex with her and be faithful to her not run around being a serial cheater, liar and predator. I agree they were dead long before we met them and after we met them the corpse started to stink. x0x0
May 9 - 7AM (Reply to #4)
Goldie
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LMFAO

After we met them the corpse started to stink. That pretty much sums it up. It's great to be able to laugh about it now. Sure as shit wasn't very funny at the time. Have a great day!!! Goldie
May 8 - 10PM
strongerthanever
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This phrase "And, needless to

This phrase "And, needless to say, any man who expects you to violate your self-respect and values for him doesn’t really love you and never will." is so very true. Once you become the doormat, you are seen in a different light. It was a struggle for me to try to keep a balance of listening, evaluating if the statements were right or not, and then make changes in myself...or not, and say "hey, not in agreement here and not doing it" with knowing that by standing up for myself, he would walk out the door and state, "we're not compatible. i'm just not feeling the same as you." But, my fear kept me in an abusive relationship that was not healthy for me or my son. Never again.