The most important thing to come out of all this for me is that i can now FEEL my boundaries!

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#1 Jan 1 - 10AM
Tigerlily
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The most important thing to come out of all this for me is that i can now FEEL my boundaries!

My mother punished me for drawing boundaries by D&Dìng me every time I did it until I got the message. And since my encounter with the lady narc. yesterday, I now believe that actually I have always recognized female narcs when I encountered them in my life. It wasn`t that I consciously thought, "That`s a narcissist"; I didn`t know what narcissism was until a few months ago. But I could spot someone who would D&D me if I tried to draw a boundary straight off.
These people are quite terrifying because they are utterly ruthless. The will commit psychic murder without a second thought rather than allow a millisecond of lost power, a millimetre of lost ground which I personally find utterly reprehensible. And they`re SUCH great actors. Oh, they`re so hurt and so offended by you, so insulted and outraged boo hoo. My mother was GREAT at that. Boy, how she used to make me writhe in guilt for having been so egoistic and insensitive as to attempt to draw a BOUNDARY. Against HER! My VERY OWN MOTHER!!
And then umbrage. The cold shoulder, the silent treatment, the subtle and not-so-subtle manipulation: "If you don`t give in to me I won`t love you anymore", "Just lick my boots a little and say you`re sorry, and maybe I`ll be nice to you again" , "If you`d only bow down and admit I`m right yet again, we could be having so much fun now" tactics. The hurt little boy/hurt little girl act. The hurt little boy/hurt little girl faking nice to get his/her own way act (I find that one utterly repulsive). And all the rest of their paraphernalia.

And then, shockingly unexpected, like lightning striking, like the bite of a tarantula, swifter than a snake and just as terrifying - D&D.
You thought it would kill you? It was meant to.It was meant to be fatal. It is psychic murder.

The next time I feel that fear, I will know: Narc. The next time I feel the way I felt with her - right from the start, actually, - I will know, "boundary violation". I thought boundaries were something you draw and maintain in your head, but that`s only part of it. Because my body was telling me that my boundaries were being violated, loud and clear - I just didn`t know how to interpret it`s signals. And now I do.

Those gut reactions tell us, "This person is going to hurt me" and it makes sense to listen, because the gut is often wiser than the head (and ALWAYS wiser than the genitals).
So thankyou, nasty narcy woman, for adding to the funds of my knowledge on psychopathy, and how to protect myself against it. You wanted to kill me, but you only made me stronger.

Love
Tigerlily

Jan 1 - 2PM
nomoredenial
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love this

way to go tigerlily
Jan 1 - 12PM
Sparrow
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Exactly Tigerlily! And, not

Exactly Tigerlily! And, not only do we feel the boundaries, we exercise the boundaries now with the people in our lives, not just narcs. It's pretty amazing isn't it? That's one example of how we should be looking at our situation with our narcs. Not all bad things come from the experience, much is learned from it as well, and we need to look at the positive that comes out of this. And you, learning about boundaries is priceless, a tool that you will now use for the rest of your life. Very cool!
Jan 1 - 12PM (Reply to #10)
Tigerlily
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Yes, really!

And it`s not something you can "un-learn" or forget, because it`s the knowledge of the body, and the body never forgets.
Jan 1 - 10AM
Used
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tigerlily

I so identify with this post, the times I got a gut feeling about someone, but ignored it...my stomach goes in a hard ball....I got it with exnh,exnm, exn, and exnff and continued to ignore it....unlike the remarks that went along with it....YOU ARE TOO SENSITIVE OR YOU TAKE OFFENCE... Until one day I said well if i am so sensitive and take offence, why do you continue to say what you like to me, but when i retaliate ,you then say I am too sensitive... Having got them out of my life now...I now relize my gut was telling me all along, and about other people, who i didnt even know that well, and i would think... WHY HAVE I GOT THAT FEELING IN MY STOMACH, THEY HAVENT SAID OR DONE ANYTHING.....BUT THEY ENDED UOP DOING IT IN THE END.... since narc, I pay attention to my gut feeling now, and think this person is bad for me or going to be if i let them stay around...... NO MORE... A NEW YEAR ,A NEW BEGINNING, A NEW BOUNDERY.... THATS THE WAY IT HAS TO BE.....I HAVE TO PROTECT MY SELF....WE ALL DO...SO WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THAT INNER VOICE AND FEELING....
Jan 1 - 10AM (Reply to #6)
Goldie
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SPOT ON Sister USED

I think what keeps us stuck is often when we get the instinct, vibe, feeling and we check it out with the other person, so often we are met with: What are you talking about? This is not going on. Or they completely change the subject and the focus and begin to mirror it back on you, as though you just did something by asking. Or they outright lie and or they go into denial mode. This is manipulation specifically designed to keep you at bay and away from the truth and making the necessary changes with this person. What they mostly bank on is YOUR sense of insecurity with YOUR instincts, so that they can play on YOUR self doubt and make YOU feel bad for asking the obvious. The solution as we all have come to learn in recovery is to strengthen YOUR self worth, esteem, and acceptance. Trust your instincts, we have them for a reason: They are designed for SELF PROTECTION and If someone crosses over YOUR bounderies, trust yourself and take ACTION to put an end to it before it gets out of hand and then you have a real mess on your hands as we have all experienced. God bless, Goldie
Jan 1 - 2PM (Reply to #8)
nomoredenial
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Goldie

What they mostly bank on is YOUR sense of insecurity with YOUR instincts, so that they can play on YOUR self doubt and make YOU feel bad for asking the obvious. This was his number one tool with me
Jan 1 - 11AM (Reply to #7)
Tigerlily
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Right on, Goldie!

What they mostly bank on is YOUR sense of insecurity with YOUR instincts, so that they can play on YOUR self doubt and make YOU feel bad for asking the obvious. And what is more, they put out sensors trying to judge whether they`ve made you insecure enough, and if they don`t think they have, then they notch it up a little. I`ve seen Wottaprick do that countless times. He was a real master at creating and taking advantage of insecurity, and so was that bitch from yesterday (sorry!). PERMANENT boundary violation, right from the very first telephone call. Grrrrr.
Jan 1 - 10AM (Reply to #4)
Tigerlily
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Yes, really!

If something doesn`t feel good, then it isn`t. I don`t know why it`s taken me 51 years to recognize that, but WTH - better late then never.
Jan 1 - 3PM (Reply to #5)
lana22
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No shit, I am also 51 and

No shit, I am also 51 and can't belive its taken me this long to learn. Thanks, I learn something new everyday on this amazing site!!!!
Jan 1 - 10AM
Goldie
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I feel this as well now, TL

I can now "feel" and sense when I am being "played" with a mile away. The false flattery, the condescention, patronizing, the "Mother's Helper Routine", ya right, more like "Mother's little Devil." Good stuff!!! Learning what your boundieries are and setting them is a HUGE part of recovery. Well worth exploring this topic in great detail for all of us. God bless, Goldie
Jan 1 - 10AM (Reply to #2)
Tigerlily
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Thanx, Goldie!

I don`t think I`d have got this far without this forum, though. So a big "thankyou" to the forum. Yay us!