MandathePanda's Story

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#1 Dec 30 - 5AM
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MandathePanda's Story

MandathePanda's long story...so glad I found this site!!

I have been reading the posts on this forum for the last few days and can't believe how lovely and supportive you all are...it's heart warming.

I find myself newly out of a relationship that has taken me from the top of the world to the depths of despair and back again in the space of three years. I am 42.

Summary:

- I met him at work (and we still work together so this has always made no contact very hard).

- When I met him, I was in a very vunerable place, effectively homeless, living in a house provided by a friend...separated from my two daughters due to losing my job. I had no supportive family (my family background is EXTREMELY difficult, abuse etc) and was very much alone and lost.

- We became friends, found we had much in common and I learned that he was in a relationship for the last 15 years. He was 42 when we met, and divulged his past - he was a heroin addict from 17 to 27..his sister had introduced him to the drug, and she later died at 33 from AIDS. He had a strange upbringing, half Sicilian, half English brought up in Sicily, which he often said made him feel "alien". He stood out, and his mother (a posh English lady which was extremely unusual in Sicily) was a source of discomfort to him as he felt that they were stared at wherever they went. His father left, and his mother was left alone, having to work (teaching English) relentlessly to make ends meet. He described a difficult relationship with his father, who was absent, a womaniser and never ever praised him. He is still not close to him, and describes the relationship as fake. His relationship with his mother is (I have found) uncomfortably close and strange..(hard to put my finger on).

- So, fairly soon after we met, he started emailing me to describe his feelings for me. I had never ever been subjected to such wooing, such flowery language and I was utterly hooked. I never ever saw that kind of language again though. So, we commenced an affair and I'm not proud that I took all of his insults about his girlfriend as gospel and believed that she was a monster, selfish and controlling as that is what he told me. He asked her to leave the house that they lived in together and fairly soon she did.

- By the time the first lie appeared, I was very much in love. I recieved a call from him to say that he was with a friend, Graham, in the pub and he would call me later. I then received a text, from his ex (she had taken my number from his phone) to say that there was no Graham..no pub and that they were together drinking wine. I was devastated, and confused and what began then was a year of hell...him constantly ping ponging between the two of us, lying to us both, making promises to both of us, and doing bizarre things like taking us to the same place on subsequent weekends (when later confronted he said he wanted to see "how it felt with each of us"). He would tell her he loved her, me he loved me..it was just awful. And I forgave and forgave and listened to the lies and when I became confused and upset and angry he would tell me to get a grip, that he was sick of hearing it, that he had no friends and that he couldn't let go of her because of the cultural links (any excuse he could find) and that I needed to understand. Rather than putting me off, this seemed to make the bond stronger, I can see now, it was like the two of us together, fighting his relationship with his ex. This is a terrible realisation.

- Eventually, after many many times of discovery, ending things and then getting sucked back in, their relationship finished completely. I had the opportunity to speak to her, and we compared stories and were able to discover all the lies and weirdness. Why didn't I leave then?

- By this time, the rebuilding of my life with my girls was well underway, but there was still a lot of work to do. He would continue to blow hot and cold, offer me stability and love one minute and then when further committment got mentioned again he would tell me that "people say things" and shouldn't be called up on them.

- He found my lack of trust annoying to say the least, got furious if I ever brought up the past (very recent past) and would shout things like "get a grip", "move on", "why do you always have to make me feel shit" etc. These things also dragged me in further somehow...I felt reliant on him, desperate for him to change and sure that if I did things differently perhaps he would.

- At work, he is know as a difficult character, with a bad temper. He has alienated many people in the time there, and is critical of everyone. I got sucked into his critical view of the world on many occasions and would then come to my senses, asking him to NOT continually slag everyone off (including people that were my friends). He would change for a while, but then it would start again, this constant attack on people's characters, how vile they are (perfectly nice people).

- There have been constant issues with drink over the years. He has on more than one occasion been out of control through drink and caused near fights and stolen stuff. The most recent one was the eye opener for me, a few weeks ago where he came to my home, and got drunk and suddently switched from over the top, annoying but good humoured, to nasty and abusive in front of my girls. He called us all names, said some extremely innappropriate things, it was awful. When he wouldnt leave the front door I had to call the police. He has also stolen stuff when drunk.

- Just after the incident above, which I was in danger of brushing under the carpet myself, my father died. I had had a very difficult relationship with my father, his death was unexpected and a massive shock. It seemed to break a spell, my ex was NOT there for me at all..it was all surface, he even appeared bored and when I got upset made no attempt to comfort me. He then blamed me for this, told me that I had hated my father and that he had told me to reconcile with him so why was I upset (this is not true). He told me that it had been hard for him too... THIS was my lightbulb moment I guess.

- Why did I stay? The attraction, the way that he made me feel when we were alone...the things he would tell me, I don't know and I can't explain and whilst I have seen the light where he is concerned...I am scared of making the same mistakes in the future.

- One very strange thing I have noticed and would appreciate opinions on. This man lives a strange frugal life in a house that was owned by his dead sister. He has no matching furniture and its kind of like being in a old person's house. He dresses very scruffy most of the time, t-shirt and jeans. WhenEVER we have split up (many times) he has transformed his dress code, wearing smart clothes and a formal jacket...even carrying a brief case (no doubt empty). It never lasts, but its always puzzled me. What is it about?

- I do feel that this time, it's over, but I also feel the need to learn, understand and deprogram. I am a reasonably attractive 42 year old and I do have men asking me out from time to time. Scared, don't want to pick the wrong one again.

Opinions would be so welcome. Thank you xxx

Dec 14 - 9AM
Callie
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Wow

Dec 30 - 11AM
HardToBelieve
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I see similarities

I recognize the traits. My ex-narc would dress over-the-top in public, only wear designer wear, designer shoes and big lables in public. Hell, he wouldn't even use the fitting room when buying clothes for himself because he felt it was beneath him. But behind closed doors he wore RAGS. Top's and t-shirts with holes in them. The most worn out trousers you could ever imagine. He was a slob at home. His house was messy, filthy, mouldy and dusty. He would leave the garbage days on end. He left dishes to pile up and even when I offered to clean immediately after making a mess he wouldn't let me. Only to let it pile up even more so he could complain that I never clean. Here's how I look at things: what you see inside of his house is what reflects on what is going on inside his mind. If his house is chaotic - so is his mind. On the outside, that is, outside of his house, he puts up a charming, outgoing, neat looking man. It's a fasade just like his persona. It's all about who he chooses to portray his false self too. But inside his house is where it all becomes appearent.
Dec 30 - 8AM
Layla
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Welcome Manda!

Thank you for sharing your story with us! Stick with us and keep reading and sharing! love~ Layla ...oops! Forgot to add, the drunkenness, the verbal drunken attacks, the sloppiness in personal life, but groomed and tailored before all others....etc........my abuser had the same traits, so you are not alone in that experience at all....
Dec 30 - 9AM (Reply to #9)
mandathepanda
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Thank you Layla! You guys are

Thank you Layla! You guys are amazing.
Dec 30 - 7AM
janemarie
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Welcome! Im so very sorry

Welcome! Im so very sorry that you are going through this. You have come to the right place. As I read your post there were so many things you wrote that were soooo similar to my situation... "he would tell me that "people say things" and shouldn't be called up on them." The exN would say these EXACT things ..he was telling you he can degrade and belittle you any time he wants....and you should just take it!!! "got furious if I ever brought up the past (very recent past) and would shout things like "get a grip", "move on", "why do you always have to make me feel shit" etc." This was an ongoing,..constant thing the exN I was with would say!!! Here..they are basically telling us to stop analyzing because if we do we will figure them out.....being "found out" is terrifying to the Narc!!!!! And guess what??? We found them out!!!! When he would change his look and carry around that "fake" briefcase (what an idiot).....He is basically putting on a facade to attract new supply or new prey (prey cause women are nothing but his victims)....He also couldve done this to show YOU how great he is...the exHN..changed everything about his appearance...when I was married to him..he was 80 pounds heavier..dressed like he was 80..and had stained teeth...NOW..He works out (I begged him to join the gym with me when we were together)..he is now in great shape, new wardrobe and whitened his teeth!!!! He and I have kids together so I see him a lot and he is always saying to me, "See...if you stayed you couldve had all this!" GAG me!!!! He may look better and yours may look better..but they are STILL and will ALWAYS be ugly, cruel, selfish, manipulating predators!!! As you, I get approached by men often and Im so afraid...I dont trust anyone....and to be honest...it's only been 3 months for me and the exN (he came after my exHN...I was very vulnerable at the time we met...that was my demise)....I am not ready to date..I still only think of him (which pisses me off), but I dont want to be vulnerable with the next guy otherwise the pattern here may be repeated..... It's a long road..but since you are here with all of us..you have begun your journey.... Read Lisa's book...it is my bible... Do her steps.... And just know we are here for you!!! We have all been there and understand everything you are feeling!! Again I say welcome!! And Best of luck to you!! xoxo janemarie
Dec 30 - 11AM (Reply to #5)
HardToBelieve
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He sounds exactly like my ex-narc.

Im happy I have found the strenght to LAUGH at what Im reading instead of crying. How you described your ex-narc is a copy of my ex-narc. When he would insult me and belittle me he would say ''I want a strong and confident girlfriend, don't take my words too seriously, I was only joking with you''. But what he joked about was sick and cruel. If that is his definition of ''jokes'' then he is the sickest man on the planet. Oh boy, did I laugh when you said fake briefcase. My ex-narc would carry a leather bag, similar to a briefcase, wherever he went. When I first met him I thought that bag he so loved was a WORK bag, I thought he carried his business things in it. When he opened it up it had keys and his Ipad in it. Completely delusional! That briefcase gave him some kind of false security that he is somebody with it. What a pathetic man! And he would carry his Ipad wherever we went, even when we went to a café to have breakfast. He would sit there - with his Ipad! No human contact!
Dec 31 - 4AM (Reply to #6)
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it's so strange when we look

it's so strange when we look back isn't it, my break up is recent...but for the first time I feel its over for good. As I get distance between us I can see more and more things coming into focus, things he did and said that at the time I excused...all the blame shifting onto both me and other people that I swallowed and accepted.... I feel like I'm cleansing myself. You are right, Hard to Believe, the no human contact issue for these men is significant. My ex seemed to detest people, now I realise he detested anyone that saw through him. He fostered my pet cat for a while whilst I couldn't have her when I was between homes and I honestly believe he loved that cat (and his pet rabbits) more than he could ever love a woman. He would joke about it, but I know deep down its the truth. He has a poem on his wall about dogs, and how they never judge you or criticise....
Dec 31 - 10AM (Reply to #7)
HardToBelieve
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My breakup is recent too.

My breakup is recent too. It's only been a month. I would say the first two weeks were the absolute worst. I would have nightmares, panic attacks, cry for no reason. Calling the emergency because I thought I was having a heartattack. It was a terrible time. I went in to a state of shock because I looked back at what was and realized nothing was what I thought it was. It's been a month now and I feel alot better. Im glad I took the time to cry, have anxiety, panic and feel downright miserable. Because had I not done it within the next few days and suppressed it, it was bound to bubble up near the surface in the future. And I prefer to take care of these problems now than to have to face them later. Im in therapy now and I look forward to 2012 being the year of recovery for me. My narc detested people aswell as animals. I assumed he had only roadrage because wherever he went he turned aggressive in the car, he would see neighbours and said he wanted to run them over and kill them. Especially women and girls. Whenever he saw dogs he said he wanted to kick them. The thing you said about having distance and looking back at the things you swallowed. I know you must be thinking ''why didn't I say anything, why did I allow that to happen'' but I think it's impossible to see things clearly while you're still in it. They're so good at manipulating you till the point where YOU DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO ANALYZE. It's not until after the breakup I have had the TIME to analyze piece by piece of what happened to me. This is what Narcs do, they keep you so pre-occupied with THEM so that they don't allow you to think about things that feels wrong. I think my rescue was that I went back to my own city. When I was living in his house he was in total control of me. Restrained me from leaving the house or the room. Whenever I wanted to go buy groceries he had to come with me and we had to take the car. I wasn't allowed to go anywhere without him. But when I had to go back to work and go back home, when I finally had some time for myself and time to think, thats when I began to analyze and puzzle the pieces together. I definitely believe being alone was my rescue. They are good manipulators. When I confronted him and said I wanted to end the relationship, he said ''would it help if I came to see you so we can patch things up?''. He knew exactly what he was doing. He figured had he met me he could manipulate me back. Im glad I didn't invite him back.
Dec 30 - 8AM (Reply to #2)
mandathepanda
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Thank you so much janemarie,

Thank you so much janemarie, it is SO unbelievably helpful to be able to share experiences like this. When you have been in a relationship like this, nothing seems right at all, even in the good times you have all these nagging doubts. My good friends have all been so worried, and I have understood on one level why, and on another level entirely felt so sure that they were wrong, that what we had was special and different and that they just couldn't understand. It's so good to have clarity... I will definitely read that book! Manda xxx
Dec 30 - 8AM (Reply to #3)
13Moons13
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Welcome, Manda ....although I

Welcome, Manda ....although I am so sorry you had to land here. There are wonderful, supportive, insightful people on this forum who will help you work through your painful situation. Saved my life for sure. Unfortunately, we all understand what you have been through. Hang in there..things do get better if you go completely NC..it's the only way to heal.
Dec 30 - 9AM (Reply to #4)
mandathepanda
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Thank you so much!! So far NC

Thank you so much!! So far NC is working better and feels easier than it ever has in the past...he text me the other day and I STARTED to respond (it was all about sex and what he would like to do to me) before I realised that I was just going to get sucked back in. I text and asked him not to contact me again and so far it has worked. The test will be when we return to work next week and I have to see him. This time feels different to every other, I think I have finally finally faced the truth... Manda xx