Losing my best friend- need advice!

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#1 Feb 28 - 11AM
AppleVenus
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Losing my best friend- need advice!

Greetings!

I have been involved with a Narc before and am familiar with the signs. I also got out and was blessed to marry a man who loves me and not just himself. I am writing this because I fear my friend is in trouble. We've been BFs for over a decade, and she has moved from being a vibrant, powerful person to a submissive, fearful, and generally unhappy person. Everyone around her can see the change, but she can't and keeps telling us that she is in love and has a good thing.

I saw the red flags early. His ex left him because she was "crazy." He had another girl he "loved" who cheated in him because she was "insane." With my friend, after dating for a few months, she had still not met his friends or family. He makes excuses to avoid meeting her family. When her birthday came around, he bought her a gift on the first go-round (which was unwrapped and still in the store bag), but has not given anything since, partially because he picks fights when big events come up. They've been together nearly three years and he has made no sign of wanting anything from her. In fact, she makes a big deal when he calls her and they see each other only when he has nothing better to do with his friends or family. She will and has cancelled plans and left engagements early because he calls.

This year has been the worst. She drives to him constantly... it is never reciprocated even though he has a nicer car. She has put thousands in car repairs into her car, and when her tire blew out in a snowstorm, she called me to help her out... he was not around. When she had her appendix out, he never visited her and actually picked a fight over her expectations. My husband has been called to her house to do things HE should be doing for her. She will not ask him because he would make a stink since he hates dependent people.

Then he faced a personal crisis and took it out on her. He told her he could not put anything into the relationship and that he needed to focus on himself. She told him that he did not need to do anything for her because of his bad time. This was a big mistake, but he guilted her into it... "You'll leave me just like the others, etc etc". During this bad time, he bashed her religion, her politics, and her desire to go back to school (a dream she has since dropped). When all of her friends finally got a chance to meet this guy and all he did was pick fights with us. She has dropped a male friend of hers because he did not like him and because he never wanted to see him again. In the past two years since we met this guy, I can count on one hand how many times I have seen her for an extended period of time. He did not like me very much, it seems. He does not seem to like anybody. When we invite them to dinner, his response to her is that they do not need anyone else and she winds up dropping her invite to spend time with him. He has never said "I love you." EVER... he claims that is "not his way." My friend used to be the biggest romantic ever, and I cannot see why she has sunk so low to accept this sort of thing.

Valentines day came and went with no presents, no call, no nothing. She cried to me for over an hour about this because he picked a fight and claimed that she was being selfish because he did not "do" that holiday. The next day, he sent her a text message and all was well again.

Now things are getting dangerous. She wants to move in with him because he claims he "needs help" with the mortgage. She has applied for other jobs closer to him, has told her boss she might be leaving, and is asking for alternative scheduling to help ease her commute. We are in the midst of layoffs and she is putting herself at risk by giving the impression that she has her eyes set elsewhere. Problem is that it is hard to find jobs in our field and since she did not go back to school, she will have it even harder. He is, of course, giving her crap for not getting a better paying job yet. It will likely never happen!

I feel like we as her friends should have an intervention with her, but whenever we question things about him, she gets defensive and mean. Lately, she is taking an attitude with everyone... every little thing at work becomes personal and she acts all "I'm the best... whatever!" and is reluctant to work as a team. I think she is taking a superior attitude because she knows her co-workers have been making fun of her because of her relationship and maybe, she knows, deep inside, that something is wrong.

I plan to order Lisa's book and mail it to her anonymously in hopes she'll see herself in the stories. But I feel I need to do more.... does anyone have any advice? I am at my wits end!

Feb 28 - 4PM
Barbara (not verified)
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leading the horse to water

sorry - you can lead a horse to water but you can't force them to drink it. Send her Lisa's book with a typed up slip with the URL of this site. She needs to find out on her own, unfortunately. And you need to stop enabling her insistence on being with this predator. Next time she tries to cry to you, tell her to get a trauma counselor asap. She needs one. ~~~~~~~~~ The world is a dangerous place, not only because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein Visit My Info. Website for Abuse Victims
Feb 28 - 2PM
AppleVenus
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Thanks all!

I think a few of you are right about being more direct. I did drag her to a showing of "He's just Not That Into You" back when I thought THAT was the only issue! She didn't quite get it. I do my best to listen to her and she remembers what I went through with my messy relationships. I'll say, "Boy, that reminds me of what X used to do," and she jumps to his defense... just like I used to do back when I was with an N. I remember a family vacation where he was invited but made an excuse not to go, and then called me every night berating me for choosing my family over him. I told my friend this story and she remembered how upset I was, yet he is doing the same thing to her. It's hard... I see my self in her and it's darned hard. Yet, it's like I don't have any credibility because I'm married and happy. It took therapy and a lot of self-work to get here though... and she remembers that too. It hurts... I pray all the time since she is like a sister to me. Her parents and siblings tell her the same things I do and seem just as worried. Ideally, she'll see the light before things get too bad and without getting hurt any more emotionally (thank heavens nothing has turned physical that I'm aware of). I appreciate the advice and well wishes. It's good to know that I'm not off base in my "diagnosis" of the situation, or my frustration at not being able to help.
Feb 28 - 1PM
rache
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OMg

this throws me back to when my poor son and the other kids TALKED with me about the total change in their mom(me) and how i went from this free fun-loving,caring,sensitive free spirit gypsy type to a total basket case that was a shell of her former self!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOTHING they said worked BUT prayer did! HEY all prayed....prayed my eyes would be opened to the truth,and,that God would let me see what this person truely was all about and that everything hidden in darkness be brought to light.All you can do is give her the book,and,pray like her life depends on it because-it does!
Mar 1 - 4PM (Reply to #7)
TexN (not verified)
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Rache

Omg! The power of prayer is unbelievable!!! I don't know how I would have survived without it! If It was my friend, I would tell her of a "friend of yours" boyfriend was doing such & such to her & can you believe she doesn't see he's a narcissist??? That way she doesn't think you're attacking her but she might see herself in the same situation. Tell her your other friends bf is a narcissist & go down the list of traits. If someone would have told me what the word narcissism meant, I would have probably been able to see it sooner. I didn't know there was a name to the dysfunctional life i was living!
Mar 1 - 4PM (Reply to #8)
rache
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none

of us did,but,now that we know its time to run like h.ll away from them!
Feb 28 - 1PM
quietude (not verified)
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apple

I agree with the others. It's not even an elephant in the room, she knows how you feel, and you have seen her reaction. All you can do is tell her you care about her. If it were me? I would distance myself from her and be in the background if and when she wakes up. And is this good for you?? Too much proximity of "N activity" so to speak? It's really hard when someone close to you is with a 'bad guy'. My sister has been married for less than a year to someone with narcissistic traits, sometimes she'll complain, I'll listen, but she is aware of what she's got. She still keeps trying because she "loves" him. I'm probably her only ally in the family because I recognize what he is. Everyone else just thinks he's an a-hole. BUT I don't pal around with them either. I keep my exposure to a minimum for my own sake. Try to think about too when you were with your N, would you have listened to others at the time? I wouldn't have ~ even though I knew my relationship had 'issues', I would have defended it.
Feb 28 - 12PM
Monica
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I agree...she has to hit rock bottom

I can only speak for myself but, when I was under the control and brainwashing of my xN, nothing anyone could have said to me would have snapped me out of it. Nothing. Not even a friend of mine, who is very intuitive and reads people very well, had any affect on me when she told me that she always thought N was a "snake" and she avoided him at all costs. I did get the "I told you so" when I finally woke up and realized what he was, but I welcomed that, I didn't resent it at all. Now I watch xN's friends and business associates who are still being manipulated by him and know that nothing I can say or do will convince them of what he is and to walk away from him for good. A few of them are starting to see on their own, saying they can't trust him, he is a bullshitter, and he is "not normal" as one friend stated last week. But I don't push them into becoming fully aware of what he is and how he has controlled them and continues to control them. I agree with their statements and expose his lies and manipulations when they bring it up and if appropriate to the circumstance at the time. I fear that pushing them too hard into "realization" may have the opposite effect and push them farther INTO his web of deceit. My suggestion would be to just make sure you are there for her when it all goes down, because it WILL all go down eventually. And will all know that, when she hits bottom, her injuries will be serious. Having people who support her and understand what she has been through will be critical in her healing and deprogramming and no contact. About sending her the book anonymously...I don't think that is such a bad idea but I would like to see what Barbara recommends regarding that. I think I would have been grateful myself had someone done that for me but that is just me.
Feb 28 - 11AM
agnesmurphy17
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Tough Situation

Sorry. I just really do not think you can do much for this woman. She's caught in the web of the narcissist & decided that she wants to be there. Rather like telling a woman that her husband is having an affair. Many times the woman turns against the informant. What about giving her the book in person? Why not show her this website? Tell her you love her but you cannot stand watching her destruction. But, you are always there for her if she needs help to get away from him. Such a dilemma. Being supportive of the status quo only fosters the abusive relationship. Maybe being up front about what you think . . . letting her get angry & cutting you out is the only solution. In this matter you will not be silent in the face of evil. Evil only asks us to be silent & turn a blind eye. In this manner we become complicit & enable the evil one. By taking a stand, no matter how feeble, at least we stand up against evil. Someday, when she realizes, she'll come back to you.
Feb 28 - 12PM (Reply to #2)
MsVulcan500
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This is a tough one.

It's hard to watch a friend who is in so much trouble and it doesn't feel like there is anything you can do to stop it. And maybe there isn't anything you can do to stop it. Your friend may need to hit her rock bottom to realize what is happening to her. Maybe the only thing you can do is be there for her when things fall apart. My daughter has a freind who is going through the same kind of thing right now, even abandoning her family, who have always been extremely close. My daughter says she is the only one still speaking to her, and she knows she will need someone when it all ends, and it will. I told her to just be supportive of her friend when that time comes because what she is doing right now is not her fault. She's being controlled and manipulated by this jerk. So my daughter is waiting until that time comes so she can help her friend pick up the pieces and move on.
Feb 28 - 5PM (Reply to #3)
itreallyisabouthim
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I had a few friends distance

I had a few friends distance themselves from me when I was in toxic relationships (this and one other). It stung. But it was too hard to watch and I understood. I think that no matter if you distance yourself (out of need for your own sanity) or intermittently try to help her see the path she is on, it really does not matter, until she has that "aha" moment nothing will work, per se. And some people will push back and stay longer if you try to make them wrong for staying at all, kwim? That is a really tough one, I'm sorry.