Joyless's Story

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Joyless's Story

Keep getting robbed of any joy

Here's my story:
Met my husband when I was going through a divorce with an alcoholic husband who had cheated on me. He made me feel like I was a queen. He said all the right things to me and made me feel soooo special. I felt like I had found the love of my life. I made a list of all the good qualities I saw in him, and it was very long. Today I keep crossing them out as they no longer are true. The list just keeps getting shorter and shorter. I was very vulnerable when I met him. My self esteem was very low at the time. He was so affectionate then. I couldn't get enough of him. When I moved in with him, I was very happy. Happier that I'd been in a very long time. About 2 weeks after this, a red flag arose that I ignored. He became very quiet and disconnected from me. Here I was in a new place away from my family and friends and I couldn't understand how he could be so cold to me. Well all of a sudden after a couple of weeks, he came around and life was blissful again. We talked of getting married, and of course I said yes, but it was not him who pushed this. This was his third marriage. I was the one that got him to finally call the preacher to marry us. We worked on a cattle ranch on 60 thousand acres. Our duties involved a lot of riding to check the livestock, repair fences, etc. I had not a lot of experience riding horses when we got married, but he taught me well, and am very grateful to him for this as I have a great love for horses and riding now. I am by profession a registered nurse. We lived 75 miles from any health care facility, so I chose not to work as a nurse at this time in my life.
My husband has 2 grown boys and I have 2 grown girls.
Over the next 10 years, I learned that no matter what I did, it was not good enough. He didn't have to tell me anything when something I did was wrong, I just got "the look" (which my grandkids say is the evil look), and the silent treatment for anywhere from a few days to 2 to 3 weeks. Frequently he would blast me with degrading remarks, and I have no idea why!?!?! He would make over other women and make them feel special when they were around and then give me the silent treatment when they left. Do you think he was comparing them to me? Of course he was! He'd call them "beautiful" or "the good looking one", or just compliment on them to me when they were gone. Say THEY do this or that...usually something that I don't do. Nothing was ever right or good enough. When we would go somewhere he would totally disregarded me and would act as if I wasn't there. If I'd get near him he'd blow me off, turn his back to me, or just walk the other direction. Travel with this man is unbearable. I get the silent treatment the whole way. We often have to travel 200-400 miles for business and the only time he talks is when I ask him something, otherwise he's in his own little world. Makes me feel as if I don't ever exist!!
I have 2 grown daughters. Both married now. When the youngest got married, I was so thrilled for her. I went down several days before the wedding, to help with the preparations. My husband came down the night of the reception. He was in a mood. In the motel room, he never said one word to me. If we talked, it was I who initiated the conversation. He went about the travel to the reception and the wedding alone. Left the reception way before me. Of course he did put his arm around me at the wedding and put on an act as though he really did care for me. He went home the next day, and I followed several hours later, as I stayed to help clean up. Several days later I got a call from my other daughter, saying the morning of the wedding he'd came to her motel room and told her that he really liked her body. I was devastated. WHAT!!!!! I know he left me in our room to go get coffee, which seemed to take a long time. When he came back, he was very quiet and sat on the bed and never said a word! Not that he'd saw my daughter....nothing. I started working about three years prior to this and I had a camper that I stayed in when I worked. I had to get away. I went to my camper and just laid on my bed and prayed. Opened my bible to Proverbs 3: 5,6. You see I needed to know God loved me and if I trust him, things will work out. He is who sustains me now. Little by little, with every silent treatment, degrading/devalued remark, or when he just discards me, he eats away at my soul. I guess I'm just trying to figure out why I am on this earth to be treated like this. I don't think God meant for me to feel dehumanized in these ways. I am precious in his eyes. I can't be all I am meant to be and live with this treatment. I need to get strong and stick up for myself!!!!!! We'd "made love" a week prior to all this happening, and there has been none since. He will not even touch me, other than a chicken peck of a kiss in the morning and before he goes to sleep. I don't pursue this as I felt as though I needed to know he wanted ME. This was 4 years ago.
Before we got married he told me he didn't like women "playing games". Once when we had an argument after we'd been married a few years, he told me "it's my way, or the highway". Should have taken him up on that! The highway looks pretty good right now! I just figured he was trying to overcome some of the baggage he had acquired in his last marriage.
My daughter commented that "He sure smiles a lot around other people, but when he's with you he frowns and looks so unhappy". He puts on a great act. Claims to be a Christian. People would not understand what I've been going through. I'd talk to my pastor, but I think he'd just tell me to be more submissive.
Holidays are a nightmare!! If I want to spend them with my family, I have to go by myself. He always comes up with an excuse as to why he can't go. The first 5 or so years, he always used the excuse that his son and his family were going to come. They only live about an hour away, but they never came. We would spend all our holidays alone.........which, some may say is great, and for a few years, it was okay. But, I love to have family around. It was never just me and him doing fun things together. It was him doing his thing and I doing mine.
His son that lives close by does not come see us. I have often wondered why? He is a different person when his kids are here. I make them meals and join in conversations and try to make them feel comfortable. When my kids are here, he leaves and does anything, so that he doesn't have to be around us. Consequently, my kids do not come see us very often. The last time one of my daughters were here he blew up at me shouting and said, when I tried to draw him in to the conversation, that we were "talking around him". I felt so degraded. My daughter and her children heard it all. She used to think he was wonderful, now she thinks he's an A-hole. This was the first time he actually blew up at me in front of them..I believe it's because when my kids are here, it's NOT ALL ABOUT HIM! He can't handle not being the core of what's going on. They are MY kids, and they are very important to me. He just doesn't like them being around and they bring me such joy! When we go to one of his family get-to-gethers, I am disregarded and basically abandoned. I have came to the point that I don't like doing anything with him or for him. I know I have to leave to stop feeling so bad about things. It's so hard! I know it's not healthy and I fear having a breakdown. I know if something were to happen to me, it'd be just me trying to take care of myself. He is not there for my needs, but I'm supposed to be there for him in everything. I feel like I'm losing myself. I never have a day where I can do just what I want. If I'm doing something he thinks is not worth while, he has me go help him with something. Consequently, I never get anything done I want to. It's not important to HIM. He just keeps robbing me of any joy that comes my way

Dec 8 - 11AM
Im_always_fine
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Ohhhh Joyfull (I'm going to

Ohhhh Joyfull (I'm going to call to Joyfull because I believe that for you) I talked on another thread about how the devil comes as an angel of light. NARCS are exactly like the devil in the Garden of Eden. They come seducing women (men too). The parallels between the devil and the narcissist are eerie. This is NOT God's will for your life. 23 years ago I too was married to a Christian. Long story short he wanted me to dress up like his dead mother to have sex. It was BAD. When I went for prayer and counselling I was told to submit to him and pray for him and God would heal him. One night while I slept on the floor on a pile of laundry because I was kicked out of the bedroom I realized that I couldn't be further from God's will for my life. But God spoke to my heart and said that neither does He cast His pearls before swine nor give what is Holy to dogs, that I was precious pearl to Him and what a beautiful gift he had given Jeff who was now he was destroying me and cursing God. So God took me off him. Because he who has little...what he has will taken as well. You don't deserve this and the man you are married to doesn't deserve you.
Dec 9 - 6AM (Reply to #9)
Joyless
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Ohhh, these men are eerie!!!

Ohhh, these men are eerie!!! I know I don't deserve to be dehumanized and devalued like this. I'm getting soooo tired of it. Just trying to figure out why I or any of us have to go through this...that, that doesn't kill you makes you stronger??? I know if I go to our preacher he'll say submit Submit, SUBMIT...and so I'm having a hard time understanding this. Don't think I will, and don't think the preachers who say this are any better than the NPD. How can they accept such behavior from a fellow "Christian"? Going to just try to make it through Christmas. Which I'm sure will be a disaster, then the new year, and possibly a change.
Dec 22 - 2PM (Reply to #12)
virginia (not verified)
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Dear Joyless...I can relate and let me share with you...

Joyless, I am a Christian. God never tells us to submit to abuse. God tells the man to love the woman with respect like God loved the church. My CN would be very upset, if his family came over to his house for a visit and I wasn't a servant to all of them. I don't even live with my ex-N and he demanded this. He wanted me to cook, and do all the dishes and sit with them entertaining them constantly. He felt entitled to my servanthood because they were extensions of him I now understand. He only met my son one time in 2 yrs. Where as, I was around only his family many times. He never invited my son; I ended up complaining about that because my son is a very good person, and I care about my son's feelings. My N would gossip about me to his family in his backyard behind my back. He would try to complain about me while I was in the house serving all of his NS "extensions" of him!! I over heard them talking and I stepped outside and told him off in front of his family. I spoke up for myself, and embarrassed him and shamed him. Then, in front of his family, he told me to go home. I said, I am not going home. I didn't do anything wrong. I am going to stay...It took guts for me to stand my ground, but his family loves me and he usually brags about how perfect I am as a partner. But, he ends up stirring up trouble for me to get attention even negative attention. Any attention will do!! You can never win, and they hate our forgiving, happy hearts and positive attitudes. They want to take that away from us. It angers them, to see that we can have sincere happiness. I broke up over a week ago and I look forward to meeting a healthy man in my future. I don't want to walk on egg shells every other hour or end up with cancer from constant struggles and stress...Joy will come back, when you get to be real and be yourself again. Most healthy people are drawn to warm, honest and happy people, but the toxic ones are drawn to us at first. Then, they feel angered at all of our positive traits that bring us attention from strangers we meet....Walk away and never look back, or you wont have a life and your life will be shortened due to stress or depression...Good luck to finding joy again in 2012...
Dec 27 - 2PM (Reply to #13)
Joyless
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I do feel like he needs me

I do feel like he needs me around to be the maid and hostess when his family is here. I am no one's servant, but my Lord, Jesus Christ! He has never caused havic or done anything discusting when his kids are here however, he does when my kids are here. I understand that is because when my kids are here it isn't about him it's about me and my kids and he just can't handle that. What kind of a person would not want the person they "love" to enjoy their children???? It's like they want to scare off our family, so they can bask in all THEIR GLORY!!!! It really hurts. I love my kids and don't want them to feel they can't come visit me because HE is here. Maybe I'll have to do something about that! So far, I don't think (least I haven't caught him) he has complained or degraded me to his family. But, I have suspected it, just by some of the things they have said to me and by the way they act around me. He is very careful to make sure I don't know. Like he'll only call his son when I'm in the shower....never calls him when I'm around...never. I guess, your right. I'm just going to have to walk away. I know it'll never change. Made it through Christmas without any problems, however he did try to gaslight me as my Mom was here and I had a feeling that he would try this, so I was ready!!! HA, foiled him!! I do sound like a sick person when I read back on this. Sometimes I think, I'm no better than him because of the way I think and the paranoia that runs through my head..ugh!!
Dec 9 - 12PM (Reply to #10)
Im_always_fine
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I LOVE the Lord. I BELIEVE

I LOVE the Lord. I BELIEVE with all of my heart in His Love for me. BUT and it's a big but...it's been my observation that the modern church promotes narcissistic men. Listen...I have studied the subject of male/female relationships from a theological perspective because the churches position has never sat well with me. I don't go to church for many reasons one of them being I'm nobody's little woman or a stepford wife. Women were designed with an inherent spiritual navigation system called intuition...it's famous...women's intuition...mother's intuition. It wasn't good or safe for man to be alone. He needed HELP as he was lacking. The word in the Bible that says we are his "helper" does not mean that I have to stand around in the drive way holding an F-ing wrench for him til he needs it. The word proper translation of EZER KENEGDO is literally to "power/strength counterpart/equal to". The word KENEGDO is only used in the Bible to describe God's power to save and Eve. We are designed with an antenna that accurately deciphers if our lover/husband/partner is moving towards God or away. We instinctively oppose him when he behaving in ways are detrimental to his own spiritual health and we embrace him when he is behaving in ways that nourish his spiritual health. It's subconscious/intuitive/instinctive. We don't even realize we are doing it until we observe that we've been doing this all along. I become very physically ill when the man in my is behaving in ways that are not of the Spirit. Even if he is doing those things behind my back. All of my "sensors" go off. For me...I "crash"...it's as if someone threw a heavy heavy black blanket over my head. It's signal for me to get quiet and alert. The second I feel/hear/know/find out what he's done...the blanket lifts. I can quote you scripture and verse where men in the Bible prayed to God for help and God's answer is,"Go ask you wife then do what she says." Because we are equipped with a protecting intuition. In Judaism the women of the home lights the candles on Friday night for the Sabbath because she ushers light into the home. So "Joyfull" should you submit to a man ho is behaving in ways that spiritually detrimental? NO! Should you continue on with a man who refuses to take responsibility for his spiritual wellness thus making you more and more sick? No... You offered him a great gift in yourself. You at some point have to chose if you want to die in his darkness with him or take your light and live. Disclaimer: I'm not trying to convert anyone. I am speaking to "Joyfull" in a language that we both understand considering our faith base of Christianity. :D
Dec 9 - 8PM (Reply to #11)
Joyless
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I know what you mean by your

I know what you mean by your sensors going off. I can always tell (most of the time) when something bad is going to happen. He doesn't think he has done anything spiritually wrong...in fact he says when he meets Jesus, He will say to him "Well done, good and faithful servant". I just get sick when I hear this. He thinks he has done nothing wrong!! Are you kidding me???? I was always taught humility as a kid growing up. This man has NONE!! Thanks so much for your words of wisdom. Really do appreciate all of you on here.
Nov 24 - 4PM
strivingforhealing (not verified)
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Joyless- you deserve God's greatest gift- a Joyful Life!

Your husband is so so cruel. I can picture him doing all the passively abusive things you say and he relishes in the control. He is not a good man. I hope it is okay to be this blunt. He will never change.. I know you have so much invested in your life with him- the work,ranch, children....but I see you with so much more than this meekness you speak of. It may take some time to really grasp all that has happened and is happening to you- living with this Narc. ( I have no doubt he is one!)...but I pray for you that in time- you will have the strength to leave forever and live the life the Good Lord wants for you. Blessings and Love! Striving
Nov 24 - 12PM
Layla
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Trust in the Lord with all your heart.......

....and lean not, on your own understanding. In all your ways aknowledge Him, and He will direct your path. Yes. I know this by heart. Your post immediately stood out to me when I read you opened your Bible to this passage. This is written on a cross I have hanging above my kitchen sink. This has carried me, along with "I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me." I was with my abuser so-called "husband" for 8 years before I kicked him out. He abused me in all ways possible physically, sexually, emotionally and verbally. A diagnosed (not that is matters, because it does not, just making a point) narcissist and antisocial PDI, he made my life a hell. A living hell. "I can do ALL things through Christ, who strengthens me". Yes I can. And I have. I was idealizing suicide 7 months ago. Six months ago I got an order of protection on him and the police came and kicked him out. "I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me." Six months NC, and I am feeling like a whole new person. My two teenage sons are doing much better, as am I. It is Thanksgiving today, and my sons are here, my daughter and her husband are here with my two little grandsons, and I am at peace on this Thanksgiving...the first time in 8 years I am at peace and not dealing with a drunk, mean, cold abuser. "I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me." And SO CAN YOU. God bless you, peace be with you, today and ALWAYS. I am glad to have you on the forum, coming here was the beginning of freedom for me from my abuser. Angels reside here. They truly do. love~ Layla
Nov 24 - 3PM (Reply to #2)
Joyless
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Thanks

Thanks, so much. I hate these feelings of anxiety that I have most of the time. Just thinking he'll never change. Feeling so helpless and lost, but this web site has really opened my eyes and I know why we keep going on this roller coaster. I feel so meek and weak right now, but I know I do have my faith and will continue to look to Him for my strength.
Nov 29 - 12AM (Reply to #3)
aceonelady
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jOYLESS...STRENGHT

Well i am very sorry you are being abused by this monster....please i know is difficult,but you should really try to leave...he won't change,whatever you do...is not you ,is him...i have been with a man like that for 2 months and i almost died...he told me many times that i should kill myself...Please you are the only one that can change this situation...I can see you are strong,just do it...he chipped away your self esteem,and sounds like he is getting worse...please ...Churchill said,if you are going throuh hell,keep going...i would say RUN away from this...nobody has the right to treat anyone like this...been there myself...almost cost me my life...Hughs i GOT AWAY,AND I AM STILL DEALING WITH THE SCARS LEFT IN MY SOUL

Aceonelady

Nov 29 - 7AM (Reply to #4)
Joyless
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It's so hard

I know I should leave, it's just so hard. We could be so great together, but it's been years since I've felt safe and secure with him. I'm trying to wrap my mind around all of this and I know I will be leaving soon. I just feel my self dying everyday. I don't even know the woman I see in the mirror in the morning! When I do leave, everyone will think I've lost my mind. You see, he is such a great, caring, give you the shirt off his back person to other people. He has even given away a family treasure of mine to someone else while I was at work once. Everyone thinks he's the greatest! My Mom loves him. My girls however, have seen the ugly side of him and have told me to leave. Just feel so greatful for this site and everyone on here, I've been reading lots. It's sure helped. Thank-you!
Nov 29 - 10AM (Reply to #5)
fraidythecat
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When you leave

The only reason anyone might think anything of you leaving, is b/c you've kept your pain to yourself this whole time. Sharing it with those who are close to you is like "the truth will set you free", in action. Those who don't understand, don't really (or shouldn't) matter. You have to take care of yourself, so you can take care of your family. I, too, thought, "what if - we could be so great, we have so much fun".... but, the more I honestly sit and reflect of the events, re-read my story and new memories pop into my head, I'm having to face the reality of how unhappy I was becoming, and how future-less things would have been. Sure, it was filling a need for me at the moment, and I didn't have to endure any physical abuse - yet. I thank God I got out before I was too emotionally damaged, much less physically. I don't think we have to demonize them all though - they do have a mental/emotional disability. Some of them are far more aware of the damage they cause than others I imagine. But I don't think they are all out to hurt people - it's just a by-product of their personality disorders. And maybe this is just how it is going to have to be for me to be able to start my healing process, to believe he can't change at this point, any more than a person born with a genetic defect can. (yes, if they sought help, it might work, but most don't know they really could be any other way, and/or are afraid to let go of the protected shell they've built up as kids and into their adulthood. It's been hellish learning about my co-dependency traits and facing the history that instigated my childhood protections. But, I hurt - they don't usually hurt so they don't feel the same need to change/get fixed. Don't let what other people think about you determine what you do, especially when you KNOW it is the right thing to do. Be safe - and get some help. fc
Nov 29 - 10AM (Reply to #6)
Joyless
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what we could have been

Thankyou for your insight. I know I have to be more open with those I know care for me, and I will work on that! I haven't been physically abused....yet! He has raised his hand to me several times, but withdrew it. Does emotional abuse esculate to physical? Guess I'm just going through the grief of knowing what we could have been.